W-T-F Now Poole is in jail

[Griz-O-Matic]

Look, don't make this more complicated than it needs to be. Either Pflugrad got fired or he quit. And he didn't quit. Whether his contract wasn't renewed or he was fired for cause, he was still fired. Lets move on.

+1, but I still think he agreed to resign.

I know Pflu fairly well, and I can guarantee you that he didn't resign. Jeez, you are dense beyond belief.

Better than you do. How well do you the now former UM general counsel?

Well enough not to "fire" a coach during Spring drills........

 

[rimrockgriz]

The loss to EWU shut up the scat fans, but now they are flocking back again doing their best vulturing. A loss this coming weekend should hopefully put them back under the rocks where they come from.

The entire griz season has shut up most of you, but some idiots came crowing after the huge ISU win. A loss against Weber will surely put them back at the Poverello where they belong.

I guess we're not back to Poverello...huh ?

 

[br fan]

Missoulian headline on May 25.

"Still on UM payroll, fired Grizzlies coach Pflugrad gets office". Note the word "fired". Or Google the phrase "Was Pflugrad fired". Lots of articles saying he was fired will pop up.

He later entered into a settlement agreement with the university.

http://missoulian.com/news/local/still-on-um-payroll-fired-grizzlies-coach-pflugrad-gets-office/article_ed0b1ecc-a61a-11e1-92b4-001a4bcf887a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"There won't be a legal battle over the firing of former Grizzlies' head football coach Robin Pflugtrad." Note the word "firing".

http://montananewsnow.com/the-latest/2012/6/11/um-reaches-deal-to-settle-former-coachs-contract.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Any other questions, Griz o matic?????? :lol:

Yeah, just a couple Hammer.

First, who wrote those articles, was it Florio?

Second, I have a hard time believing he was fired when he (as PR states), entered into an agreement that included an office? How do you get fired and get your salary and office, but yet still get fired? It's a bit confusing.....

He didn't remain in his office. He eventually was given an office in the library.

He hired a lawyer to represent him and eventually entered into a settlement arrangement with the university.

I would ask you: how does a football coach get removed as the team's coach and kicked out of his office and taken off the university's email system, and not have been fired as the football coach?

PR-the same Missoulian article you cite stating he was "fired" also states he's "still on the payroll." Pflugrad has an office in the library for the simple reason that he is still currently employed by UM. You'll find him listed and how to contact him in UM's directory, and he will continue to be an employee of UM until his contract runs out at the end of the year.

 

[Grizmayor]

Any other questions, Griz o matic?????? :lol:

Yeah, just a couple Hammer.

First, who wrote those articles, was it Florio?

Second, I have a hard time believing he was fired when he (as PR states), entered into an agreement that included an office? How do you get fired and get your salary and office, but yet still get fired? It's a bit confusing.....

He didn't remain in his office. He eventually was given an office in the library.

He hired a lawyer to represent him and eventually entered into a settlement arrangement with the university.

I would ask you: how does a football coach get removed as the team's coach and kicked out of his office and taken off the university's email system, and not have been fired as the football coach?

PR-the same Missoulian article you cite stating he was "fired" also states he's "still on the payroll." Pflugrad has an office in the library for the simple reason that he is still currently employed by UM. You'll find him listed and how to contact him in UM's directory, and he will continue to be an employee of UM until his contract runs out at the end of the year.

Ouch. :?

 

[mtgrizrule]

Any other questions, Griz o matic?????? :lol:

Yeah, just a couple Hammer.

First, who wrote those articles, was it Florio?

Second, I have a hard time believing he was fired when he (as PR states), entered into an agreement that included an office? How do you get fired and get your salary and office, but yet still get fired? It's a bit confusing.....

He didn't remain in his office. He eventually was given an office in the library.

He hired a lawyer to represent him and eventually entered into a settlement arrangement with the university.

I would ask you: how does a football coach get removed as the team's coach and kicked out of his office and taken off the university's email system, and not have been fired as the football coach?

PR-the same Missoulian article you cite stating he was "fired" also states he's "still on the payroll." Pflugrad has an office in the library for the simple reason that he is still currently employed by UM. You'll find him listed and how to contact him in UM's directory, and he will continue to be an employee of UM until his contract runs out at the end of the year.

Pflu's job is to keep quiet, and do nothing. Please pay me to do that. :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

Any other questions, Griz o matic?????? :lol:

Yeah, just a couple Hammer.

First, who wrote those articles, was it Florio?

Second, I have a hard time believing he was fired when he (as PR states), entered into an agreement that included an office? How do you get fired and get your salary and office, but yet still get fired? It's a bit confusing.....

He didn't remain in his office. He eventually was given an office in the library.

He hired a lawyer to represent him and eventually entered into a settlement arrangement with the university.

I would ask you: how does a football coach get removed as the team's coach and kicked out of his office and taken off the university's email system, and not have been fired as the football coach?

PR-the same Missoulian article you cite stating he was "fired" also states he's "still on the payroll." Pflugrad has an office in the library for the simple reason that he is still currently employed by UM. You'll find him listed and how to contact him in UM's directory, and he will continue to be an employee of UM until his contract runs out at the end of the year.

He was fired/terminated from his job. That's why he's no longer the coach. This is indisputable. This is why all the media refers to the firings. The university terminated him under a provision requiring it to pay out his salary and benefits. They did not terminate him "for cause". In the later settlement, the university also agreed to pay a variety of benefits/bonuses that weren't quantified in the contract. In employment settlements, it's not unusual to continue to pay the salary and continue insurance benefits for a specific period of time. I believe O'Day is still being paid his salary and benefits too, but he also was fired and isn't the AD, obviously. In fact, he has another job. One of the reasons Pflu settled his wrongful termination and breach of contract claim (recall that he hired a law firm) was to be able to take another job. He didn't want to be caught up in limbo for years, like Mike Kramer was. When people, including coaches, get terminated, it's not unusual to pay what is owed under the contract, or "buy out" the contract. The payments under these settlements and buy outs can be done by paying the former employee over time, or they can be done with a lump sum payment, or some combination.

 

[IdaGriz01]

Pflu was not "fired" from the head coaching job. In the corporate world, the press release would say he had been "re-assigned" to other duties. I know: "If it quacks like a duck, and it waddles like a duck ... then it's a duck." In lawyer-speak he was not fired, and has no (strong) legal recourse except to collect his dough and (as noted above) keep his mouth shut. Now, if he (and a lawyer) think the manner of his re-assignment unduly damages his reputation, and his ability to find other coaching employment, then legal action might be in order. But even that would have to wait until he was no longer on the payroll and actively seeking new employment as a "free agent."

 

[PlayerRep]

Pflu was not "fired" from the head coaching job. In the corporate world, the press release would say he had been "re-assigned" to other duties. I know: "If it quacks like a duck, and it waddles like a duck ... then it's a duck." In lawyer-speak he was not fired, and has no (strong) legal recourse except to collect his dough and (as noted above) keep his mouth shut. Now, if he (and a lawyer) think the manner of his re-assignment unduly damages his reputation, and his ability to find other coaching employment, then legal action might be in order. But even that would have to wait until he was no longer on the payroll and actively seeking new employment as a "free agent."

Nope, he was fired. He was not re-assigned or anything like that. Google his name, and see how many articles come up saying he was fired. He already got a lawyer. They already settled with the university. There's a release agreement, in which he releases all claims, including wrongful termination and breach of contract, in return for payment of specified amounts and benefits. You are behind on this one.

 

[PlayerRep]

Yeah, just a couple Hammer.

First, who wrote those articles, was it Florio?

Second, I have a hard time believing he was fired when he (as PR states), entered into an agreement that included an office? How do you get fired and get your salary and office, but yet still get fired? It's a bit confusing.....

He didn't remain in his office. He eventually was given an office in the library.

He hired a lawyer to represent him and eventually entered into a settlement arrangement with the university.

I would ask you: how does a football coach get removed as the team's coach and kicked out of his office and taken off the university's email system, and not have been fired as the football coach?

PR-the same Missoulian article you cite stating he was "fired" also states he's "still on the payroll." Pflugrad has an office in the library for the simple reason that he is still currently employed by UM. You'll find him listed and how to contact him in UM's directory, and he will continue to be an employee of UM until his contract runs out at the end of the year.

Pflu's job is to keep quiet, and do nothing. Please pay me to do that. :thumb:

He doesn't have to keep quiet. Neither does O'Day.

 

[IdaGriz01]

Pflu was not "fired" from the head coaching job. In the corporate world, the press release would say he had been "re-assigned" to other duties. I know: "If it quacks like a duck, and it waddles like a duck ... then it's a duck." In lawyer-speak he was not fired, and has no (strong) legal recourse except to collect his dough and (as noted above) keep his mouth shut. Now, if he (and a lawyer) think the manner of his re-assignment unduly damages his reputation, and his ability to find other coaching employment, then legal action might be in order. But even that would have to wait until he was no longer on the payroll and actively seeking new employment as a "free agent."

Nope, he was fired. He was not re-assigned or anything like that. Google his name, and see how many articles come up saying he was fired. He already got a lawyer. They already settled with the university. There's a release agreement, in which he releases all claims, including wrongful termination and breach of contract, in return for payment of specified amounts and benefits. You are behind on this one.

Okay. I can buy that, since I don't hang out in Missoula. So what's up with the (alleged) office space on university property? Part of the deal? Or is that just a rumor?

 

[PlayerRep]

Pflu was not "fired" from the head coaching job. In the corporate world, the press release would say he had been "re-assigned" to other duties. I know: "If it quacks like a duck, and it waddles like a duck ... then it's a duck." In lawyer-speak he was not fired, and has no (strong) legal recourse except to collect his dough and (as noted above) keep his mouth shut. Now, if he (and a lawyer) think the manner of his re-assignment unduly damages his reputation, and his ability to find other coaching employment, then legal action might be in order. But even that would have to wait until he was no longer on the payroll and actively seeking new employment as a "free agent."

Nope, he was fired. He was not re-assigned or anything like that. Google his name, and see how many articles come up saying he was fired. He already got a lawyer. They already settled with the university. There's a release agreement, in which he releases all claims, including wrongful termination and breach of contract, in return for payment of specified amounts and benefits. You are behind on this one.

Okay. I can buy that, since I don't hang out in Missoula. So what's up with the (alleged) office space on university property? Part of the deal? Or is that just a rumor?

Part of the deal. It was worked out ahead of the settlement, and was in the press. O'Day was also offered an office, but didn't want one. He was probably spending all his time on the golf course (using the university-paid for country club membership), so didn't have time or need for an office. Ha-ha. Pflu's been gone most of the fall, so probably hasn't used the office much.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

It doesn't matter if he has an office. He's still fired after the contract runs out.

 

[PlayerRep]

It doesn't matter if he has an office. He's still fired after the contract runs out.

Actually, he was fired before the contract ran out. That's why he hasn't been the coach since March 30.

 

[wbtfg]

Maybe reassigned?

is he still on the u's payroll?

 

[AllWeatherFan]

He is reassigned to not working.

 

[PlayerRep]

Maybe reassigned?

is he still on the u's payroll?

Nope, wasn't reassigned. Settlement included continuing to get paid/benefits, as well as a modest lump sum payment (like $40,000 or $50,000).

 

[Griz-O-Matic]

He wasn't fired.

 

[kurtismichael]

It has been 12 pages of posts now so my memory is foggy, but didn't this thread start off being about Poole?

Safe to say looks like a stalemate on the whole "he was fired" vs "he was not fired" debate. But don't mind me go on debating the same topic into eternity.

 

[Griz-O-Matic]

It has been 12 pages of posts now so my memory is foggy, but didn't this thread start off being about Poole?

Safe to say looks like a stalemate on the whole "he was fired" vs "he was not fired" debate. But don't mind me go on debating the same topic into eternity.

...WRONG.....if you are fired, you don't need an office at your place of employment....

 

[kurtismichael]

It has been 12 pages of posts now so my memory is foggy, but didn't this thread start off being about Poole?

Safe to say looks like a stalemate on the whole "he was fired" vs "he was not fired" debate. But don't mind me go on debating the same topic into eternity.

...WRONG.....if you are fired, you don't need an office at your place of employment....

Wasn't taking a side Griz-O-Matic just recognizing that PR probably won't be convinced to change his view and vice versa. For all I know you are RIGHT.