W-T-F Now Poole is in jail

[George Ferguson]

What I want to know is, why so many of you feel Trevor's LIFE is destroyed. Because he doesn't get to play football anymore for the Montana Grizzlies? REALLY? I love the Griz and am a rabid a fan as anybody, but come on, if THAT is the be-all-end-all of someone's entire 70 or 80-year existence then we as a society are screwed up way more than even I think we are. As a few have stated, this is going to get pled down, Trevor is not going to Deer Lodge over two pills, and if he so chooses he'll be able to get a college degree somewhere. Isn't THAT why he was really at Montana in the first place? Actually, if Trevor is willing to be humble and work at it, he'll get to play college football somewhere else. As I stated in an earlier thread, any NAIA school would be more than happy to have him. And BEFORE anyone tells me how his life is destroyed because he's losing his shot at an NFL career, that doesn't wash either. I think the kid is a very good football player, as you would have to be to start for the Griz as a RS sophomore, but an NFL career was and is a very long shot.

Bottom line, I don't know Trevor, but some of you say you do, and if he's as good a kid as some of you say, then his LIFE will go on. He'll learn from this mistake, grow as a person and bounce back just fine. I suspect 15 years from now, Trevor Poole will be somewhere with a good job, a good family and a nice life, and NOT playing for the Griz won't have ruined any of that.

 

[Griz2k]

Trevor Poole should never be allowed to play for the Griz again in my humble opinion. Everyone knows the scrutiny this program is under and he chose to go buy drugs anyway. I don't care how good of a person or student or whatever he is, he should be gone. Period. Leniency and looking the other way is got us into this mess in the first place. Zero tolerance.

 

[kurtismichael]

This is just another perfect example of why it is and was so Phucked up that a good coach and AD lose their jobs because of what a couple dumb asses did. WHEN THE PHUCK will adults (don't give a damn how old they are) be the ones held accountable and not the coaches. This only goes to show that the coaches can only hold their hand so much, at some point a person has to hold their own.

People certainly have to be responsible for their own actions but coaches have to nip it in the butt when it happens and preferably before. The coach has to have enough of a handle on his players to know when to root out the bad apples before they spoil the bunch. It's always tempting to bring in someone you think will be a ringer that has questionable character, but it is usually a bad gamble. I believe in second chances and I actually hope Trevor Poole will get one but not without a damn short leash. A lot of great things have been accomplished by someone on a second chance.

Great post Indian Outlaw. I truly do not like it when someone makes a major mistake like Trevor did that his life is destroyed, considering that his choice had no effect on others. I knew Trevors dad and uncle in college (oh the infamous Dumpaway days). Both good guys who would give their shirts off their backs. Not condoning Trevor's decision, just hoping he is given a chance to atone for his mistake.

Didn't his choice in a way effect his family, coaches and Griz teammates. Those guys worked their butts off since January right along side of him and now he'll be missing in action over his choice. IMO.

 

[jtgriz2]

This is just another perfect example of why it is and was so Phucked up that a good coach and AD lose their jobs because of what a couple dumb asses did. WHEN THE PHUCK will adults (don't give a damn how old they are) be the ones held accountable and not the coaches. This only goes to show that the coaches can only hold their hand so much, at some point a person has to hold their own.

People certainly have to be responsible for their own actions but coaches have to nip it in the butt when it happens and preferably before. The coach has to have enough of a handle on his players to know when to root out the bad apples before they spoil the bunch. It's always tempting to bring in someone you think will be a ringer that has questionable character, but it is usually a bad gamble. I believe in second chances and I actually hope Trevor Poole will get one but not without a damn short leash. A lot of great things have been accomplished by someone on a second chance.

Great post Indian Outlaw. I truly do not like it when someone makes a major mistake like Trevor did that his life is destroyed, considering that his choice had no effect on others. I knew Trevors dad and uncle in college (oh the infamous Dumpaway days). Both good guys who would give their shirts off their backs. Not condoning Trevor's decision, just hoping he is given a chance to atone for his mistake.

Didn't his choice in a way effect his family, coaches and Griz teammates. Those guys worked their butts off since January right along side of him and now he'll be missing in action over his choice. IMO.

I hear what you are saying...I meant physically harm. I am sure his family, coaches, and teammates would welcome the opportunity to atone for his very poor judgement. Community service, football, whatever would help turn this to a positive.

 

[kurtismichael]

People certainly have to be responsible for their own actions but coaches have to nip it in the butt when it happens and preferably before. The coach has to have enough of a handle on his players to know when to root out the bad apples before they spoil the bunch. It's always tempting to bring in someone you think will be a ringer that has questionable character, but it is usually a bad gamble. I believe in second chances and I actually hope Trevor Poole will get one but not without a damn short leash. A lot of great things have been accomplished by someone on a second chance.

Great post Indian Outlaw. I truly do not like it when someone makes a major mistake like Trevor did that his life is destroyed, considering that his choice had no effect on others. I knew Trevors dad and uncle in college (oh the infamous Dumpaway days). Both good guys who would give their shirts off their backs. Not condoning Trevor's decision, just hoping he is given a chance to atone for his mistake.

Didn't his choice in a way effect his family, coaches and Griz teammates. Those guys worked their butts off since January right along side of him and now he'll be missing in action over his choice. IMO.

I hear what you are saying...I meant physically harm. I am sure his family, coaches, and teammates would welcome the opportunity to atone for his very poor judgement. Community service, football, whatever would help turn this to a positive.

Gotcha. :thumb:

 

[Cats2506]

Maroonsilver, I'll agree with most of what you said, except for the who to approach part. While I don't frequent the rave scene, I'm not too old to know that if you're at one and you don't already have X in your pocket, you're probably in the minority. Poole could have approached 100 different people that night and at least 50 of them probably had two pills to sell him. Don't make it sound as if the kid met up with his regular crack dealer that night. You're right though, I'm sincerely doubting it was his first trip and even with this incident, I doubt it will be his last. I think we'd all be shocked to find out the percentage of players on EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE football team that use OR at least try drugs, and yes, weed is still an illegal drug is still banned by the NCAA.

Is there not random drug testing in college sports? Apparently not in Missoula if so. If what you say about all the people at the party carrying this drug, than there should have been more arrests...or was there? Wasn't this drug legal just a short time ago?

That is what I was wondering, I know there is some testing in Bozeman, over the last few years a few players have "left the team for personal reasons" and it was rumored that they failed too many drug tests.

I dunno, I just thought all schools did some level of testing.

 

[WaGriz4life]

Maroonsilver, I'll agree with most of what you said, except for the who to approach part. While I don't frequent the rave scene, I'm not too old to know that if you're at one and you don't already have X in your pocket, you're probably in the minority. Poole could have approached 100 different people that night and at least 50 of them probably had two pills to sell him. Don't make it sound as if the kid met up with his regular crack dealer that night. You're right though, I'm sincerely doubting it was his first trip and even with this incident, I doubt it will be his last. I think we'd all be shocked to find out the percentage of players on EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE football team that use OR at least try drugs, and yes, weed is still an illegal drug is still banned by the NCAA.

Is there not random drug testing in college sports? Apparently not in Missoula if so. If what you say about all the people at the party carrying this drug, than there should have been more arrests...or was there? Wasn't this drug legal just a short time ago?

That is what I was wondering, I know there is some testing in Bozeman, over the last few years a few players have "left the team for personal reasons" and it was rumored that they failed too many drug tests.

I dunno, I just thought all schools did some level of testing.

There is definately testing in Missoula, and the Griz have had their fair share of athletes fail drug tests.

But this is really a moot point since Extasy is out of your system in two days...

 

[WaGriz4life]

Maroonsilver, I'll agree with most of what you said, except for the who to approach part. While I don't frequent the rave scene, I'm not too old to know that if you're at one and you don't already have X in your pocket, you're probably in the minority. Poole could have approached 100 different people that night and at least 50 of them probably had two pills to sell him. Don't make it sound as if the kid met up with his regular crack dealer that night. You're right though, I'm sincerely doubting it was his first trip and even with this incident, I doubt it will be his last. I think we'd all be shocked to find out the percentage of players on EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE football team that use OR at least try drugs, and yes, weed is still an illegal drug is still banned by the NCAA.

A study was done this year in Eugene and the study showed that just over 50% of Oregon's Football Team "regularly smokes marijuana." The higher estimates are around 65%

 

[RobGriz]

Maroonsilver, I'll agree with most of what you said, except for the who to approach part. While I don't frequent the rave scene, I'm not too old to know that if you're at one and you don't already have X in your pocket, you're probably in the minority. Poole could have approached 100 different people that night and at least 50 of them probably had two pills to sell him. Don't make it sound as if the kid met up with his regular crack dealer that night. You're right though, I'm sincerely doubting it was his first trip and even with this incident, I doubt it will be his last. I think we'd all be shocked to find out the percentage of players on EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE football team that use OR at least try drugs, and yes, weed is still an illegal drug is still banned by the NCAA.

A study was done this year in Eugene and the study showed that just over 50% of Oregon's Football Team "regularly smokes marijuana." The higher estimates are around 65%

I think the "higher" estimates are a little low.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

The entire griz season has shut up most of you, but some idiots came crowing after the huge ISU win. A loss against Weber will surely put them back at the Poverello where they belong.

Imagine that? GRIZ supporters talking about GRIZZLY football on the GRIZ FAN SITE.
Have you considered sharing your billiant thoughts with the other 13 cat fans on bobcat nation?

I wasn't talking about griz fans posting on this site, genius! :thumb:

con·text/ˈkäntekst/Noun: 1.The circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
2.The parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning.

I'm fairly certain that Granite was talking about scat fans returning to this site ("flocking back") to post after the shame and sting of the EWU loss had diminished. Given the CONTEXT of the conversation and the lack of clarity of your writing, I thought you were referring to the post YOU quoted. My mistake.

Perhaps there is a community college in your area that offers a remedial writing course?

Good Luck!!

No shit Sherlock! Granite WAS talking about Cat fans posting on eGriz and in turn I was saying the same about griz fans posting on Bobcat Nation. WTF is so difficult to understand about that? Hell, even PlayerRep can figure that one out. You truly are a brilliant mind. :roll:

 

[garizzalies]

The result of the latest incident, if it occurred under Hauck or Pflu, would probably have been been almost the same (even without the new athletic code). Poole would not have been allowed to play, and probably not practice. The others would probably have been suspended for a game (although I don't know for sure what their violation was). The only difference is that the game suspensions might not have been announced. I think it's amusing how some of you apparently think things were so loose under Hauck/Pflu, when they weren't. Hauck in particular kicked ass frequently. I think I once counted that he kicked at least 11 players off the team during his time. He suspended and disciplined players for non-legal things. He suspended players for minor legal things, like minor citations for loud parties. Pflu disciplined multiple players for various things. He also booted one or more players off the team. The prior coaches just didn't announce the discipline and the dismissal of players from the team. As for the taser incident, the initial punishment in that incident was decided by the AD, Foley and Engstrom.

With all this being said, does anyone have any idea why Pflu and O'Day were fired then, yet?

Consider the source and the parts left out, and ask again.........

Maybe a program (and University) that had gone through several months of national pressure over rapes (real and not real) to have the coach proclaiming to the press about the high moral character of one of the accused rapists (before his trial.) It was NEVER NEVER the acts, the tazers, or the students involved. It was the public perception left by the "leadership" I suspect "change in leadership" is THE reason. It sure LOOKED like a cover up - eve if it wasn't. Managing public relations is a big part of poth the HC, AD, and most certainly the VP of communications. Remember the NCAA investigation was known (but not publicly released) at the time of the firings.

What looked like a cover-up?

how 'bout when Oday literally covered up (edited) portions of the Bartz report?

 

[PlayerRep]

With all this being said, does anyone have any idea why Pflu and O'Day were fired then, yet?

Consider the source and the parts left out, and ask again.........

Maybe a program (and University) that had gone through several months of national pressure over rapes (real and not real) to have the coach proclaiming to the press about the high moral character of one of the accused rapists (before his trial.) It was NEVER NEVER the acts, the tazers, or the students involved. It was the public perception left by the "leadership" I suspect "change in leadership" is THE reason. It sure LOOKED like a cover up - eve if it wasn't. Managing public relations is a big part of poth the HC, AD, and most certainly the VP of communications. Remember the NCAA investigation was known (but not publicly released) at the time of the firings.

What looked like a cover-up?

how 'bout when Oday literally covered up (edited) portions of the Bartz report?

Don't think it was O'Day who did that anyway, but don't recall for sure. Anyway, editing is not covering up. Reports and documents in draft form are edited all the time. The edit was done to make the report accurate. It said players were involved in something, and was changed to students. This was the matter for which the police declined, twice, to charge, and players won the student code hearing 7-0 and were allowed to graduate in the spring. Some kind of cover-up that was.

 

[GrizMusician]

The bottom line is:

If these young men choose to represent UM, Missoula, the state of MT, & every Griz fan they need to do it on & off of the field. If they are going to be involved in drugs, rape, underage drinking, driving under the influence, fighting, etc. WE don't want them as a Griz.

Hell, I wouldn't mind tarring & feathering these individuals & running their asses out of the state because we don't want them.

I am sick of this bad publicity & how it makes the school, team, state, & fans look.

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[George Ferguson]

Musician, you're on the money on the first part. Griz players should be held to the rules and standard set forth by the team, the school and the NCAA. The running them out of the state part is a little off though, as you seem to be beating that old drum that Montana-born Griz players never do anything wrong, which is such an effin stupid thought process.

Also, I feel like, if you're going to feel that way, then hold Griz fans accountable for their actions too. Do you have any idea, over my 20-plus years of going to games, how many times I've seen a dad pound one last beer at the post-game tailgate, pile three kids in the back seat and then get behind the wheel? Doing crap like that, or booing and taunting opposing players, sneaking booze into Wash-Griz Stadium where it's illegal to be, is breaking the law, same as Poole and it makes you no different if you're a fan doing it. And I don't care about who's representing who or who's got scholarships or what, EVERYONE should be held accountable for their actions, not just college football players.

 

[GrizMusician]

Musician, you're on the money on the first part. Griz players should be held to the rules and standard set forth by the team, the school and the NCAA. The running them out of the state part is a little off though, as you seem to be beating that old drum that Montana-born Griz players never do anything wrong, which is such an effin stupid thought process.

Also, I feel like, if you're going to feel that way, then hold Griz fans accountable for their actions too. Do you have any idea, over my 20-plus years of going to games, how many times I've seen a dad pound one last beer at the post-game tailgate, pile three kids in the back seat and then get behind the wheel? Doing crap like that, or booing and taunting opposing players, sneaking booze into Wash-Griz Stadium where it's illegal to be, is breaking the law, same as Poole and it makes you no different if you're a fan doing it. And I don't care about who's representing who or who's got scholarships or what, EVERYONE should be held accountable for their actions, not just college football players.

Very good post havgrizfan. I agree!

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[bearister]

If Poole is convicted of a felony, he's done under the school's conduct code, right? If, however, as I believe is likely (provided he has no significant priors, of course), he pleads to a misdemeanor, gets probation, and satisfactorily completes it, I think there is a path back to football for him. Are we really prepared to eliminate all possibility of redemption just because this young man committed one criminal offense (note that I didn't use the "mistake" or "bad judgment" dodge)? That's pretty harsh.

 

[Ursa Major]

If Poole is convicted of a felony, he's done under the school's conduct code, right? If, however, as I believe is likely (provided he has no significant priors, of course), he pleads to a misdemeanor, gets probation, and satisfactorily completes it, I think there is a path back to football for him. Are we really prepared to eliminate all possibility of redemption just because this young man committed one criminal offense (note that I didn't use the "mistake" or "bad judgment" dodge)? That's pretty harsh.

Good question Bearister.

What if Poole was convicted on a misdermeanor of MIP? Would we still be screaming for his removal from the team? X isn't my drug of choice by any means and I would have more issues if my child was found to have X more so than alcohol but it does beg the question, what drug choices do we accept as a society?

 

[yakgriz]

...in regards to drug testing...the NCAA actually administered a random drug test just a few weeks ago, so yes it does go on here. Usually it's just the University that does random drug tests, until or if the team makes the playoffs, but with the investigation a good portion of the team was tested recently...

 

[MTOutsider]

Question?

Person in Question buys 2 pills. Why 2, has he done them before and knows what goes on? Or did he buy two to give one to some unsuspecting victim? If I were going to experiment I think I would just buy 1 to start. Just trying to get in the mind of the younger generation.

 

[Maynardsgametrail]

Question?

Person in Question buys 2 pills. Why 2, has he done them before and knows what goes on? Or did he buy two to give one to some unsuspecting victim? If I were going to experiment I think I would just buy 1 to start. Just trying to get in the mind of the younger generation.

Dont give me that bullshit......C'mon. :lol:

No different than a closet hippy in the 60's buying a hit of acid vs. sheet so he could trip that day, or have a few more hits to last awhile.