W-T-F Now Poole is in jail

[indian-outlaw]

This is just another perfect example of why it is and was so Phucked up that a good coach and AD lose their jobs because of what a couple dumb asses did. WHEN THE PHUCK will adults (don't give a damn how old they are) be the ones held accountable and not the coaches. This only goes to show that the coaches can only hold their hand so much, at some point a person has to hold their own.

People certainly have to be responsible for their own actions but coaches have to nip it in the butt when it happens and preferably before. The coach has to have enough of a handle on his players to know when to root out the bad apples before they spoil the bunch. It's always tempting to bring in someone you think will be a ringer that has questionable character, but it is usually a bad gamble. I believe in second chances and I actually hope Trevor Poole will get one but not without a damn short leash. A lot of great things have been accomplished by someone on a second chance.

 

[putter]

This is just another perfect example of why it is and was so Phucked up that a good coach and AD lose their jobs because of what a couple dumb asses did. WHEN THE PHUCK will adults (don't give a damn how old they are) be the ones held accountable and not the coaches. This only goes to show that the coaches can only hold their hand so much, at some point a person has to hold their own.

It's not really that complicated. It's not about "holding their hand". It's about the coach's/AD's response (or lack of one) when they f*** up. SURELY you can understand the difference? :? :?

True. IMO, that is why Pflu is no longer around ( I have heard more but it is speculation)

 

[PlayerRep]

This is just another perfect example of why it is and was so Phucked up that a good coach and AD lose their jobs because of what a couple dumb asses did. WHEN THE PHUCK will adults (don't give a damn how old they are) be the ones held accountable and not the coaches. This only goes to show that the coaches can only hold their hand so much, at some point a person has to hold their own.

It's not really that complicated. It's not about "holding their hand". It's about the coach's/AD's response (or lack of one) when they f*** up. SURELY you can understand the difference? :? :?

True. IMO, that is why Pflu is no longer around ( I have heard more but it is speculation)

The result of the latest incident, if it occurred under Hauck or Pflu, would probably have been been almost the same (even without the new athletic code). Poole would not have been allowed to play, and probably not practice. The others would probably have been suspended for a game (although I don't know for sure what their violation was). The only difference is that the game suspensions might not have been announced. I think it's amusing how some of you apparently think things were so loose under Hauck/Pflu, when they weren't. Hauck in particular kicked ass frequently. I think I once counted that he kicked at least 11 players off the team during his time. He suspended and disciplined players for non-legal things. He suspended players for minor legal things, like minor citations for loud parties. Pflu disciplined multiple players for various things. He also booted one or more players off the team. The prior coaches just didn't announce the discipline and the dismissal of players from the team. As for the taser incident, the initial punishment in that incident was decided by the AD, Foley and Engstrom.

 

[reinell30]

This is just another perfect example of why it is and was so Phucked up that a good coach and AD lose their jobs because of what a couple dumb asses did. WHEN THE PHUCK will adults (don't give a damn how old they are) be the ones held accountable and not the coaches. This only goes to show that the coaches can only hold their hand so much, at some point a person has to hold their own.

It's not really that complicated. It's not about "holding their hand". It's about the coach's/AD's response (or lack of one) when they f*** up. SURELY you can understand the difference? :? :?

True. IMO, that is why Pflu is no longer around ( I have heard more but it is speculation)

The result of the latest incident, if it occurred under Hauck or Pflu, would probably have been been almost the same (even without the new athletic code). Poole would not have been allowed to play, and probably not practice. The others would probably have been suspended for a game (although I don't know for sure what their violation was). The only difference is that the game suspensions might not have been announced. I think it's amusing how some of you apparently think things were so loose under Hauck/Pflu, when they weren't. Hauck in particular kicked ass frequently. I think I once counted that he kicked at least 11 players off the team during his time. He suspended and disciplined players for non-legal things. He suspended players for minor legal things, like minor citations for loud parties. Pflu disciplined multiple players for various things. He also booted one or more players off the team. The prior coaches just didn't announce the discipline and the dismissal of players from the team. As for the taser incident, the initial punishment in that incident was decided by the AD, Foley and Engstrom.

With all this being said, does anyone have any idea why Pflu and O'Day were fired then, yet?

 

[cclarkblues]

I'm doubting Poole will be back. The U of M is living in fear of the NCAA and has to have him as an example.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

The loss to EWU shut up the scat fans, but now they are flocking back again doing their best vulturing. A loss this coming weekend should hopefully put them back under the rocks where they come from.

The entire griz season has shut up most of you, but some idiots came crowing after the huge ISU win. A loss against Weber will surely put them back at the Poverello where they belong.

 

[tnt]

It's not really that complicated. It's not about "holding their hand". It's about the coach's/AD's response (or lack of one) when they f*** up. SURELY you can understand the difference? :? :?

True. IMO, that is why Pflu is no longer around ( I have heard more but it is speculation)

The result of the latest incident, if it occurred under Hauck or Pflu, would probably have been been almost the same (even without the new athletic code). Poole would not have been allowed to play, and probably not practice. The others would probably have been suspended for a game (although I don't know for sure what their violation was). The only difference is that the game suspensions might not have been announced. I think it's amusing how some of you apparently think things were so loose under Hauck/Pflu, when they weren't. Hauck in particular kicked ass frequently. I think I once counted that he kicked at least 11 players off the team during his time. He suspended and disciplined players for non-legal things. He suspended players for minor legal things, like minor citations for loud parties. Pflu disciplined multiple players for various things. He also booted one or more players off the team. The prior coaches just didn't announce the discipline and the dismissal of players from the team. As for the taser incident, the initial punishment in that incident was decided by the AD, Foley and Engstrom.

With all this being said, does anyone have any idea why Pflu and O'Day were fired then, yet?

Consider the source and the parts left out, and ask again.........

Maybe a program (and University) that had gone through several months of national pressure over rapes (real and not real) to have the coach proclaiming to the press about the high moral character of one of the accused rapists (before his trial.) It was NEVER NEVER the acts, the tazers, or the students involved. It was the public perception left by the "leadership" I suspect "change in leadership" is THE reason. It sure LOOKED like a cover up - eve if it wasn't. Managing public relations is a big part of poth the HC, AD, and most certainly the VP of communications. Remember the NCAA investigation was known (but not publicly released) at the time of the firings.

 

[nzone]

From what I know of Poole he is a good student, from a good family, and isn't one to get into a whole lot of trouble. He knowingly went to a well documented party and engaged in an illegal act(STUPID) of purchasing TWO pills and arrested for felony possession. In my humble opinion this should be plead to a misdeameanor and he should pay a good fine and be on notice for at least a year. IF he can show absolute and total remorse and agrees to a piss test(random) I would give him a second chance at proving himself worthy of being a Griz Football Player. I don't know how scholarships work but I'd have to believe his may have been put in jeapordy if he has one. I realize we are under scrutiny of the NCAA which will probably render him ineligable but I really don't think this kid is a common criminal and his life ruined by ONE stupid act.

We need to change our motto to: "Not Intrusted To The Weak, Timid, or Stupid" because Poole embarassed himself, his family, Griz Nation, and more importantly his teammates by a real stupid decision.

 

[tnt]

Were it 4 pill he could be facing 5-20 years in the federal system no parole and no plea bargain. The public supports this war on drugs an our federal prison system full of 20 year olds serving huge (sometimes life) sentences for reasons I'll never know.

 

[Ursa Major]

The loss to EWU shut up the scat fans, but now they are flocking back again doing their best vulturing. A loss this coming weekend should hopefully put them back under the rocks where they come from.

The entire griz season has shut up most of you, but some idiots came crowing after the huge ISU win. A loss against Weber will surely put them back at the Poverello where they belong.

Imagine that? GRIZ supporters talking about GRIZZLY football on the GRIZ FAN SITE.
Have you considered sharing your billiant thoughts with the other 13 cat fans on bobcat nation?

 

[maroonandsilver]

I doubt that this is Poole's first flirting with drugs. That he knew how to buy, what to buy, what slang term to use, who to approach, says to me he has had this experience before. I am obviuosly an old guy, but if I did want to try drugs, I wouldn't know how to start.
This looks to me that more than likely this is the first time Trevor got CAUGHT!

 

[PlayerRep]

Were it 4 pill he could be facing 5-20 years in the federal system no parole and no plea bargain. The public supports this war on drugs an our federal prison system full of 20 year olds serving huge (sometimes life) sentences for reasons I'll never know.

That's not even close to being accurate.

Federal guidelines:

"The penalty for first offense possession of a small (personal) amount of ecstasy is a maximum of one year in prison and a fine."

"... one gram of ecstasy is now equivalent to 500 grams of marijuana, making one dose of ecstasy five times more legally damaging, in terms of jail time, to possess than one dose of heroin. Possession of at least 800 pills or 200 grams of ecstasy carries a minimum sentence of up to six years for a first offense."

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Typical pill weight seems to vary, but 250 - 300 mg may be in the ballpark, from what I read on the internet.

 

[George Ferguson]

Maroonsilver, I'll agree with most of what you said, except for the who to approach part. While I don't frequent the rave scene, I'm not too old to know that if you're at one and you don't already have X in your pocket, you're probably in the minority. Poole could have approached 100 different people that night and at least 50 of them probably had two pills to sell him. Don't make it sound as if the kid met up with his regular crack dealer that night. You're right though, I'm sincerely doubting it was his first trip and even with this incident, I doubt it will be his last. I think we'd all be shocked to find out the percentage of players on EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE football team that use OR at least try drugs, and yes, weed is still an illegal drug is still banned by the NCAA.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

The loss to EWU shut up the scat fans, but now they are flocking back again doing their best vulturing. A loss this coming weekend should hopefully put them back under the rocks where they come from.

The entire griz season has shut up most of you, but some idiots came crowing after the huge ISU win. A loss against Weber will surely put them back at the Poverello where they belong.

Imagine that? GRIZ supporters talking about GRIZZLY football on the GRIZ FAN SITE.
Have you considered sharing your billiant thoughts with the other 13 cat fans on bobcat nation?

I wasn't talking about griz fans posting on this site, genius! :thumb:

 

[Umista]

msu was Poole's problem. He began to fret over the upcoming msu game and he subsequently decided to get "high".................Take the pressure off......msu and the stupid posters from said school really caused all this mess. Yeah, in the end, Poole is innocent and the real blame must go where it belongs. Stupid has a lock on the msu nuts that continue to post scat on our board.

Engstrom will be out with the announcement near the end of the week stating msu was the root of the big felony drug bust. Obama will continue the tirade claiming he took more drugs than Poole did. msu will continue to post on our board but we all know msu is the drug "football" capitol of the Northwest.

Yawn.......

 

[reinell30]

Maroonsilver, I'll agree with most of what you said, except for the who to approach part. While I don't frequent the rave scene, I'm not too old to know that if you're at one and you don't already have X in your pocket, you're probably in the minority. Poole could have approached 100 different people that night and at least 50 of them probably had two pills to sell him. Don't make it sound as if the kid met up with his regular crack dealer that night. You're right though, I'm sincerely doubting it was his first trip and even with this incident, I doubt it will be his last. I think we'd all be shocked to find out the percentage of players on EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE football team that use OR at least try drugs, and yes, weed is still an illegal drug is still banned by the NCAA.

Is there not random drug testing in college sports? Apparently not in Missoula if so. If what you say about all the people at the party carrying this drug, than there should have been more arrests...or was there? Wasn't this drug legal just a short time ago?

 

[grizindabox]

Maroonsilver, I'll agree with most of what you said, except for the who to approach part. While I don't frequent the rave scene, I'm not too old to know that if you're at one and you don't already have X in your pocket, you're probably in the minority. Poole could have approached 100 different people that night and at least 50 of them probably had two pills to sell him. Don't make it sound as if the kid met up with his regular crack dealer that night. You're right though, I'm sincerely doubting it was his first trip and even with this incident, I doubt it will be his last. I think we'd all be shocked to find out the percentage of players on EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE football team that use OR at least try drugs, and yes, weed is still an illegal drug is still banned by the NCAA.

Is there not random drug testing in college sports? Apparently not in Missoula if so. If what you say about all the people at the party carrying this drug, than there should have been more arrests...or was there? Wasn't this drug legal just a short time ago?

They call it random testing, but it really is not random at all. The exception is NCAA testing during playoffs. And don't go thinking that this is only at UM either.

 

[PlayerRep]

True. IMO, that is why Pflu is no longer around ( I have heard more but it is speculation)

The result of the latest incident, if it occurred under Hauck or Pflu, would probably have been been almost the same (even without the new athletic code). Poole would not have been allowed to play, and probably not practice. The others would probably have been suspended for a game (although I don't know for sure what their violation was). The only difference is that the game suspensions might not have been announced. I think it's amusing how some of you apparently think things were so loose under Hauck/Pflu, when they weren't. Hauck in particular kicked ass frequently. I think I once counted that he kicked at least 11 players off the team during his time. He suspended and disciplined players for non-legal things. He suspended players for minor legal things, like minor citations for loud parties. Pflu disciplined multiple players for various things. He also booted one or more players off the team. The prior coaches just didn't announce the discipline and the dismissal of players from the team. As for the taser incident, the initial punishment in that incident was decided by the AD, Foley and Engstrom.

With all this being said, does anyone have any idea why Pflu and O'Day were fired then, yet?

Consider the source and the parts left out, and ask again.........

Maybe a program (and University) that had gone through several months of national pressure over rapes (real and not real) to have the coach proclaiming to the press about the high moral character of one of the accused rapists (before his trial.) It was NEVER NEVER the acts, the tazers, or the students involved. It was the public perception left by the "leadership" I suspect "change in leadership" is THE reason. It sure LOOKED like a cover up - eve if it wasn't. Managing public relations is a big part of poth the HC, AD, and most certainly the VP of communications. Remember the NCAA investigation was known (but not publicly released) at the time of the firings.

What looked like a cover-up?

 

[Ursa Major]

The loss to EWU shut up the scat fans, but now they are flocking back again doing their best vulturing. A loss this coming weekend should hopefully put them back under the rocks where they come from.

The entire griz season has shut up most of you, but some idiots came crowing after the huge ISU win. A loss against Weber will surely put them back at the Poverello where they belong.

Imagine that? GRIZ supporters talking about GRIZZLY football on the GRIZ FAN SITE.
Have you considered sharing your billiant thoughts with the other 13 cat fans on bobcat nation?

I wasn't talking about griz fans posting on this site, genius! :thumb:

con·text/ˈkäntekst/Noun: 1.The circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
2.The parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning.

I'm fairly certain that Granite was talking about scat fans returning to this site ("flocking back") to post after the shame and sting of the EWU loss had diminished. Given the CONTEXT of the conversation and the lack of clarity of your writing, I thought you were referring to the post YOU quoted. My mistake.

Perhaps there is a community college in your area that offers a remedial writing course?

Good Luck!!

 

[jtgriz2]

This is just another perfect example of why it is and was so Phucked up that a good coach and AD lose their jobs because of what a couple dumb asses did. WHEN THE PHUCK will adults (don't give a damn how old they are) be the ones held accountable and not the coaches. This only goes to show that the coaches can only hold their hand so much, at some point a person has to hold their own.

People certainly have to be responsible for their own actions but coaches have to nip it in the butt when it happens and preferably before. The coach has to have enough of a handle on his players to know when to root out the bad apples before they spoil the bunch. It's always tempting to bring in someone you think will be a ringer that has questionable character, but it is usually a bad gamble. I believe in second chances and I actually hope Trevor Poole will get one but not without a damn short leash. A lot of great things have been accomplished by someone on a second chance.

Great post Indian Outlaw. I truly do not like it when someone makes a major mistake like Trevor did that his life is destroyed, considering that his choice had no effect on others. I knew Trevors dad and uncle in college (oh the infamous Dumpaway days). Both good guys who would give their shirts off their backs. Not condoning Trevor's decision, just hoping he is given a chance to atone for his mistake.