Vernon Adams gone 3-6 weeks

[ilovethecats]

it's funny how injuries like this seem to really change some fans perspectives on players. before the season ewu fans were talking VA up like a god. best player in the country and not even close. maybe the best to ever play the position in the big sky. he's all world. meanwhile non-ewu fans discredit the dude, say all he does is throw jump balls to great receivers, he's a classless thug, he's not even the best qb in the conference let alone the country...

fast forward to this weekend. lol. ewu fans singing a different tune. VA is very good but there won't be much of a dropoff with this new sophmore starting. ewu might put up a few less points here and there but overall this is no big deal. not so fast says everyone else. VA is dynamic! he's flat out a playmaker who makes ewu go. losing him for even a month could be catastrophic. the guy is probably the best player in the country and you don't just replace guys like him. ewu is f***[*].

man i love football season! :thumb: :clap:

Agreed. And recognizing that there's some exaggeration in your post, I thought it also applied to some Cat posters last year after McGhee got hurt. As I had thought at the time, the loss/injury hurt the Cats, Bleskin wasn't as good as some Cats thought he would be, and McGhee was never the same when he came back. While the Cats had other weaknesses, the injury to McGhee spoiled the Cats' season--as they surely would have made the playoffs otherwise. While I'd like to know more about the foot injury, I doubt that Adams will be as good when he comes back. He won't be able to run, or even throw, for some time. There is no way there won't be a big drop off while he is out. We'll see how fast the back-up can get up to speed. I agree that there is a very good supporting cast for the EWU offense, so that will be a big help. But Adams is very very special, in my view. No way that the back-up is even close to special.

i agree. and last year with the cats was the same thing. we had fans that went beyond being confident in our backup qb. we had some that thought we wouldn't miss a beat. but using this example, there were also griz fans who discredited mcghee before the season and during the season. hell, some discredited his entire msu career. they said he wasn't that good, that he was fragile, that he wasn't even the best in the conference. until he got hurt that is. then many were singing a different tune. just how it goes and i find it entertaining.

 

[Big G]

i agree. and last year with the cats was the same thing. we had fans that went beyond being confident in our backup qb. we had some that thought we wouldn't miss a beat. but using this example, there were also griz fans who discredited mcghee before the season and during the season. hell, some discredited his entire msu career. they said he wasn't that good, that he was fragile, that he wasn't even the best in the conference. until he got hurt that is. then many were singing a different tune. just how it goes and i find it entertaining.

Who?

 

[PlayerRep]

it's funny how injuries like this seem to really change some fans perspectives on players. before the season ewu fans were talking VA up like a god. best player in the country and not even close. maybe the best to ever play the position in the big sky. he's all world. meanwhile non-ewu fans discredit the dude, say all he does is throw jump balls to great receivers, he's a classless thug, he's not even the best qb in the conference let alone the country...

fast forward to this weekend. lol. ewu fans singing a different tune. VA is very good but there won't be much of a dropoff with this new sophmore starting. ewu might put up a few less points here and there but overall this is no big deal. not so fast says everyone else. VA is dynamic! he's flat out a playmaker who makes ewu go. losing him for even a month could be catastrophic. the guy is probably the best player in the country and you don't just replace guys like him. ewu is f***[*].

man i love football season! :thumb: :clap:

Agreed. And recognizing that there's some exaggeration in your post, I thought it also applied to some Cat posters last year after McGhee got hurt. As I had thought at the time, the loss/injury hurt the Cats, Bleskin wasn't as good as some Cats thought he would be, and McGhee was never the same when he came back. While the Cats had other weaknesses, the injury to McGhee spoiled the Cats' season--as they surely would have made the playoffs otherwise. While I'd like to know more about the foot injury, I doubt that Adams will be as good when he comes back. He won't be able to run, or even throw, for some time. There is no way there won't be a big drop off while he is out. We'll see how fast the back-up can get up to speed. I agree that there is a very good supporting cast for the EWU offense, so that will be a big help. But Adams is very very special, in my view. No way that the back-up is even close to special.

i agree. and last year with the cats was the same thing. we had fans that went beyond being confident in our backup qb. we had some that thought we wouldn't miss a beat. but using this example, there were also griz fans who discredited mcghee before the season and during the season. hell, some discredited his entire msu career. they said he wasn't that good, that he was fragile, that he wasn't even the best in the conference. until he got hurt that is. then many were singing a different tune. just how it goes and i find it entertaining.

Well, I sure wasn't one of those no-nothings. McGhee was a terrific and special player, who was in large part responsible for the resurgence of the Cats during those years. Of course, he didn't do it alone, but he was the definitely the straw who was stirring the drink. Too bad he didn't have a great senior year. I put him up there with many of the all-time greats at MSU.

 

[signedbewildered]

Jealousy aside, if Prukop continues to excel he too will be one of the all time greats at MSU. No doubt about it.

As far as the playing up/playing down an injury/loss thing. (He's the best qb ever/we will be fine just without him) that's just the way it has always been.

I am not so confident EWU will continue on without skipping a beat. Adams being out is a HUGE blow. I don't think West is his twin when it comes to style. <<< Understatement. The whole team is going to have to adjust....and in a hurry. People seem to have good things to say about West and they are likely justified. He's just not Adams.

Same thing with Prukop. His loss would set the scats back big time this season. Would any MSU fans disagree?

JJ isn't holding our team together. It has plenty of issues with or without him.

 

[kemajic]

it's funny how injuries like this seem to really change some fans perspectives on players. before the season ewu fans were talking VA up like a god. best player in the country and not even close. maybe the best to ever play the position in the big sky. he's all world. meanwhile non-ewu fans discredit the dude, say all he does is throw jump balls to great receivers, he's a classless thug, he's not even the best qb in the conference let alone the country...

fast forward to this weekend. lol. ewu fans singing a different tune. VA is very good but there won't be much of a dropoff with this new sophmore starting. ewu might put up a few less points here and there but overall this is no big deal. not so fast says everyone else. VA is dynamic! he's flat out a playmaker who makes ewu go. losing him for even a month could be catastrophic. the guy is probably the best player in the country and you don't just replace guys like him. ewu is f***[*].

man i love football season! :thumb: :clap:

Agreed. And recognizing that there's some exaggeration in your post, I thought it also applied to some Cat posters last year after McGhee got hurt. As I had thought at the time, the loss/injury hurt the Cats, Bleskin wasn't as good as some Cats thought he would be, and McGhee was never the same when he came back. While the Cats had other weaknesses, the injury to McGhee spoiled the Cats' season--as they surely would have made the playoffs otherwise. While I'd like to know more about the foot injury, I doubt that Adams will be as good when he comes back. He won't be able to run, or even throw, for some time. There is no way there won't be a big drop off while he is out. We'll see how fast the back-up can get up to speed. I agree that there is a very good supporting cast for the EWU offense, so that will be a big help. But Adams is very very special, in my view. No way that the back-up is even close to special.

i agree. and last year with the cats was the same thing. we had fans that went beyond being confident in our backup qb. we had some that thought we wouldn't miss a beat. but using this example, there were also griz fans who discredited mcghee before the season and during the season. hell, some discredited his entire msu career. they said he wasn't that good, that he was fragile, that he wasn't even the best in the conference. until he got hurt that is. then many were singing a different tune. just how it goes and i find it entertaining.

Well, I sure wasn't one of those no-nothings. McGhee was a terrific and special player, who was in large part responsible for the resurgence of the Cats during those years. Of course, he didn't do it alone, but he was the definitely the straw who was stirring the drink. Too bad he didn't have a great senior year. I put him up there with many of the all-time greats at MSU.

For a big game, I would take Lulay over McGee every time.

 

[EverettGriz]

No one is happy to see happy to see VA on the sidelines, it hurts EWU's chances down the road and it diminishes any win a team has against EWU when he doesn't play

Adams was and is the best player in FCS this year. He is one of the all time greats, he broke the Big Sky touchdown record 6 games into his junior year. He was and is still on pace to break almost all of the Big Sky and FCS records next year, and not break them but smash them, even if he doesn't play the rest of this year. He is a special, special talent, probably one of the best EWU has ever had, maybe THE best, same goes for the Big Sky conference.

With that said, and no one is saying Adams wasn't a special player, EWU always seems to find a QB, so there is no reason to doubt the confidence in West. EWU's last 4 starting QB's, dating back over 10 years are Meyer, Nichols, Mitchell, and Adams. Two of them won the Peyton, one was on pace to win it this year and Nichols broke a ton of records during his tenure. Baldwin coached all of them, some as the OC and some as the HC, so Eastern anticipates West to do just as well, its expected, thats what Eastern has built. VA holds a ton of records, does a ton of things because of his talent, but the type of system Eastern runs puts a QB in position to do those things, Adams is special so he does them a lot better.

Eastern will adjust what they do on Offense to make West successful, but anyone counting out the Eags at this point is crazy. This team will rally around West and is still set to do great things.

Hopefully the Griz and Eastern will have a game with a healthy JJ and VA, but its going to be a great game no matter who plays, it always is...

Whoa. Settle down, there.

Until playoff records for guys like Dickinson and Ay Yat are included, i think it's more than a tad premature to even suggest that Adams may be the best ever in the conference


Oh, and maybe winning at least a semi game would put him onto the conversation.

 

[ddmann]

Every team in the big sky was already licking their chops in anticipation of EWU's porous defense. You know every team believes they can put up at least 35 points on them. Now with VA gone EWU will not be scoring 50 points or better anymore.

IMHO EWU is now very likely to lose to NAU, UM, PSU, and if lowly SUU and UNC defenses step up even they might have a shot at win over EWU now.

Unless West turns out to have yet undiscovered scrambling abilities EWU season just went to hell in a handbasket.

 

[Great Day To Be An Eagle]

IMHO EWU is now very likely to lose to NAU, UM, PSU, and if lowly SUU and UNC defenses step up even they might have a shot at win over EWU now.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[bearister]

I'm not a gambler, but if I were i wold go all-in on the proposition that Adams will be ready to play by November 8, when the Griz come to town. A game against the Griz has enormous restorative healing power for injured opponents.

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

No one is happy to see happy to see VA on the sidelines, it hurts EWU's chances down the road and it diminishes any win a team has against EWU when he doesn't play

Adams was and is the best player in FCS this year. He is one of the all time greats, he broke the Big Sky touchdown record 6 games into his junior year. He was and is still on pace to break almost all of the Big Sky and FCS records next year, and not break them but smash them, even if he doesn't play the rest of this year. He is a special, special talent, probably one of the best EWU has ever had, maybe THE best, same goes for the Big Sky conference.

With that said, and no one is saying Adams wasn't a special player, EWU always seems to find a QB, so there is no reason to doubt the confidence in West. EWU's last 4 starting QB's, dating back over 10 years are Meyer, Nichols, Mitchell, and Adams. Two of them won the Peyton, one was on pace to win it this year and Nichols broke a ton of records during his tenure. Baldwin coached all of them, some as the OC and some as the HC, so Eastern anticipates West to do just as well, its expected, thats what Eastern has built. VA holds a ton of records, does a ton of things because of his talent, but the type of system Eastern runs puts a QB in position to do those things, Adams is special so he does them a lot better.

Eastern will adjust what they do on Offense to make West successful, but anyone counting out the Eags at this point is crazy. This team will rally around West and is still set to do great things.

Hopefully the Griz and Eastern will have a game with a healthy JJ and VA, but its going to be a great game no matter who plays, it always is...

sorry little man. he needs to win the chipper to be in the conversation about the best from the BSC. when he's done that,we can talk, until then, carry on.

 

[GrizLA]

I'm not a gambler, but if I were i wold go all-in on the proposition that Adams will be ready to play by November 8, when the Griz come to town. A game against the Griz has enormous restorative healing power for injured opponents.

I think you are absolutely right and, I don't think, UM can stay with EWU when that happens.

 

[marceagfan5]

No one is happy to see happy to see VA on the sidelines, it hurts EWU's chances down the road and it diminishes any win a team has against EWU when he doesn't play

Adams was and is the best player in FCS this year. He is one of the all time greats, he broke the Big Sky touchdown record 6 games into his junior year. He was and is still on pace to break almost all of the Big Sky and FCS records next year, and not break them but smash them, even if he doesn't play the rest of this year. He is a special, special talent, probably one of the best EWU has ever had, maybe THE best, same goes for the Big Sky conference.

With that said, and no one is saying Adams wasn't a special player, EWU always seems to find a QB, so there is no reason to doubt the confidence in West. EWU's last 4 starting QB's, dating back over 10 years are Meyer, Nichols, Mitchell, and Adams. Two of them won the Peyton, one was on pace to win it this year and Nichols broke a ton of records during his tenure. Baldwin coached all of them, some as the OC and some as the HC, so Eastern anticipates West to do just as well, its expected, thats what Eastern has built. VA holds a ton of records, does a ton of things because of his talent, but the type of system Eastern runs puts a QB in position to do those things, Adams is special so he does them a lot better.

Eastern will adjust what they do on Offense to make West successful, but anyone counting out the Eags at this point is crazy. This team will rally around West and is still set to do great things.

Hopefully the Griz and Eastern will have a game with a healthy JJ and VA, but its going to be a great game no matter who plays, it always is...

sorry little man. he needs to win the chipper to be in the conversation about the best from the BSC. when he's done that,we can talk, until then, carry on.

Possibly, but it will be hard to dispute his numbers if he has a great year next year. Time will tell if he's one of the all time greats. No Doubt the Griz have a few on the short list of all time big sky greats.

 

[grizatwork]

In about 6 weeks, I will be able to tell you with certainty whether this injury will affect the performance of the EWU offense. Until then, you guys keep speculating.

 

[RobGriz]

I'm not a gambler, but if I were i wold go all-in on the proposition that Adams will be ready to play by November 8, when the Griz come to town. A game against the Griz has enormous restorative healing power for injured opponents.

I think you are absolutely right and, I don't think, UM can stay with EWU when that happens.

IF he is back there is NO WAY he is 100% and if he can't extend plays he's suddenly just an above average QB that #37 is gonna put on his back so many times he's gonna start to know how Jenna Jameson feels.

 

[Rjones61]

I'm not a gambler, but if I were i wold go all-in on the proposition that Adams will be ready to play by November 8, when the Griz come to town. A game against the Griz has enormous restorative healing power for injured opponents.

I think you are absolutely right and, I don't think, UM can stay with EWU when that happens.

IF he is back there is NO WAY he is 100% and if he can't extend plays he's suddenly just an above average QB that #37 is gonna put on his back so many times he's gonna start to know how Jenna Jameson feels.

You mean how Jordan Johnson feels EVERY game?

 

[putter]

Lets say you put him on par with Dickinson with respect to importance to his team. 1994 Dickinson gets hurt during garbage time against Boise. I would argue that they had a good enought team to win the chipper that year. Montana, IMO, would have beaten YSU with Dave but couldn't get it done without him. I see the same with EWU. They have weapons but Adams brings that something extra and they dont have the D to win games if they are not scoring 40+

 

[RobGriz]

I'm not a gambler, but if I were i wold go all-in on the proposition that Adams will be ready to play by November 8, when the Griz come to town. A game against the Griz has enormous restorative healing power for injured opponents.

I think you are absolutely right and, I don't think, UM can stay with EWU when that happens.

IF he is back there is NO WAY he is 100% and if he can't extend plays he's suddenly just an above average QB that #37 is gonna put on his back so many times he's gonna start to know how Jenna Jameson feels.

You mean how Jordan Johnson feels EVERY game?

More like how your mom feels every night.

 

[Rjones61]

I think you are absolutely right and, I don't think, UM can stay with EWU when that happens.

IF he is back there is NO WAY he is 100% and if he can't extend plays he's suddenly just an above average QB that #37 is gonna put on his back so many times he's gonna start to know how Jenna Jameson feels.

You mean how Jordan Johnson feels EVERY game?

More like how your mom feels every night.

I'm 14 and bad at jokes

FTFY

 

[RobGriz]

IF he is back there is NO WAY he is 100% and if he can't extend plays he's suddenly just an above average QB that #37 is gonna put on his back so many times he's gonna start to know how Jenna Jameson feels.

You mean how Jordan Johnson feels EVERY game?

More like how your mom feels every night.

I'm 14 and bad at jokes

FTFY

I think you mean "FIFY" genius.

 

[Rjones61]

You mean how Jordan Johnson feels EVERY game?

More like how your mom feels every night.

I'm 14 and bad at jokes

FTFY

I think you mean "FIFY" genius.

It can be used either way, moron.