Vernon Adams gone 3-6 weeks

[George Ferguson]

Agreed, I think EWU will be OK without Adams, and I expect Jordan West to play well. I believe the Griz actually recruited West. But, it's not as easy as just throwing that fade against Sam Houston State. Once fall camp closes and the regular season begins, the No. 2 quarterback starts to get his reps seriously reduced in practice. The few "live" reps teams are running during the week are reserved for the starter, and the No. 2 might go an entire practice without getting an 11-on-11 reps. He might get a few 7-on here and there, but it's still not the same. So, while West looks like he's got a huge amount of talent, I don't think he'll have an easy time of it. And the leadership Adams displays, whether Griz fans hate him or not, is irreplacable in my opinion.

Still, saying all that, EWU does play a pretty week sched the next four weeks, and I would bet anything VA will be back when the Griz roll into Cheney Nov. 8. He might not be pain free by then, but he'll risk it to play the Griz in his house one last time. Book it.

 

[grizindabox]

I am pretty sure that PR earned his Law degree and Medical degree concurrently...but I digress

 

[PlayerRep]

This post is getting close to posts of certain Cat posters. "Our back-ups are better than our starters." There is no way EWU's offense doesn't have a huge drop off. This guy has barely been on the field. QB is more than having a big arm. It's decision-making, leadership, not making mistakes, and making big plays. EWU is fortunate not to have a bunch of tough games coming up, but, as Kem said, Ida. St. wasn't supposed to be tough either. I can't image that Adams won't be out for at least 6 weeks (if he has 2 broken bones), and upon his return, he is not going to be able to be his normal damn good big play-making self. I grossly underestimated Adams at the beginning of last year, but quickly became a believer.

I think Adams is probably out closer to 6 weeks than 3 too, which means we won't have him for the Griz game as well, but you never know.

The offense will have a drop off, but look at EWU, we always have a QB step in and play great, which is part of the system. Baldwin's system allows Eastern QB's to succeed. Adams is special and there is going to be a drop off, no one is saying there wont be, but its not the offense Eastern needs to worry about. West is going to be fine, he will put up numbers and if Eastern can find a way to win Saturday, they are going to be fine. We won't lose to UNC or UND at home, regardless of who is playing QB. The schedule sets up well in the coming weeks. Our receivers didn't magically disappear...

Don't worry Marce... PR may have played the game but he apparently doesn't understand the concept of reloading versus rebuilding, and he doesn't understand quality depth. He was spouting off about how bad the Bobcat offense was going to be since we lost our "Irish Lad" QB and the supporting cast of fellow super stars Bleskin and Kirk. We all know how that's turning out. Not only did we not take a step back, but our offense is SIGNIFICANTLY more potent and high powered this year.

PR is a douche poster that doesn't know jack shit, as obviously illustrated by the above post. EWU will definitely not see a significant drop off in talent. Just another blindly typed post by an ignorant egocentric griz homer.

Okay, big mouth. Why don't you try addressing my post? It is completely ridiculous to think there is not going to be a large dropoff without Adams. Going from the top qb in FCS, who is thrower, runner and playmaker, to what appears to be a thrower (maybe), is going to be a huge drop off. Let's hear how good of a runner and scrambler West is. And compare his decision-making, leadership, not making mistakes, and making big plays--to Adams. Do you have any substance, or are you just a big mouth troll with no football substance?

 

[PlayerRep]

West and our offense isnt going to be the problem going forward, our Defense is. West has a big arm, will stay in the pocket more, but will definitely get the ball downfield to our receivers, I don't think anyone is worried about our backup. We will probably score a little less than what we have which means our D will have to get a couple more stops, and that is the problem moving forward...

This post is getting close to posts of certain Cat posters. "Our back-ups are better than our starters." There is no way EWU's offense doesn't have a huge drop off. This guy has barely been on the field. QB is more than having a big arm. It's decision-making, leadership, not making mistakes, and making big plays. EWU is fortunate not to have a bunch of tough games coming up, but, as Kem said, Ida. St. wasn't supposed to be tough either. I can't image that Adams won't be out for at least 6 weeks (if he has 2 broken bones), and upon his return, he is not going to be able to be his normal damn good big play-making self. I grossly underestimated Adams at the beginning of last year, but quickly became a believer.

I think Adams is probably out closer to 6 weeks than 3 too, which means we won't have him for the Griz game as well, but you never know.

The offense will have a drop off, but look at EWU, we always have a QB step in and play great, which is part of the system. Baldwin's system allows Eastern QB's to succeed. Adams is special and there is going to be a drop off, no one is saying there wont be, but its not the offense Eastern needs to worry about. West is going to be fine, he will put up numbers and if Eastern can find a way to win Saturday, they are going to be fine. We won't lose to UNC or UND at home, regardless of who is playing QB. The schedule sets up well in the coming weeks. Our receivers didn't magically disappear...

Don't worry Marce... PR may have played the game but he apparently doesn't understand the concept of reloading versus rebuilding, and he doesn't understand quality depth. He was spouting off about how bad the Bobcat offense was going to be since we lost our "Irish Lad" QB and the supporting cast of fellow super stars Bleskin and Kirk. We all know how that's turning out. Not only did we not take a step back, but our offense is SIGNIFICANTLY more potent and high powered this year.

You don't understand the huge difference in going from the best qb in FCS to a sophomore who has thrown only a few passes in his life, and who doesn't appear to be a runner or scrambler. Again, EWU is lucky that its schedule gets easier for a while.

 

[PlayerRep]

West and our offense isnt going to be the problem going forward, our Defense is. West has a big arm, will stay in the pocket more, but will definitely get the ball downfield to our receivers, I don't think anyone is worried about our backup. We will probably score a little less than what we have which means our D will have to get a couple more stops, and that is the problem moving forward...

This post is getting close to posts of certain Cat posters. "Our back-ups are better than our starters." There is no way EWU's offense doesn't have a huge drop off. This guy has barely been on the field. QB is more than having a big arm. It's decision-making, leadership, not making mistakes, and making big plays. EWU is fortunate not to have a bunch of tough games coming up, but, as Kem said, Ida. St. wasn't supposed to be tough either. I can't image that Adams won't be out for at least 6 weeks (if he has 2 broken bones), and upon his return, he is not going to be able to be his normal damn good big play-making self. I grossly underestimated Adams at the beginning of last year, but quickly became a believer.

I think Adams is probably out closer to 6 weeks than 3 too, which means we won't have him for the Griz game as well, but you never know.

The offense will have a drop off, but look at EWU, we always have a QB step in and play great, which is part of the system. Baldwin's system allows Eastern QB's to succeed. Adams is special and there is going to be a drop off, no one is saying there wont be, but its not the offense Eastern needs to worry about. West is going to be fine, he will put up numbers and if Eastern can find a way to win Saturday, they are going to be fine. We won't lose to UNC or UND at home, regardless of who is playing QB. The schedule sets up well in the coming weeks. Our receivers didn't magically disappear...

Don't worry Marce... PR may have played the game but he apparently doesn't understand the concept of reloading versus rebuilding, and he doesn't understand quality depth. He was spouting off about how bad the Bobcat offense was going to be since we lost our "Irish Lad" QB and the supporting cast of fellow super stars Bleskin and Kirk. We all know how that's turning out. Not only did we not take a step back, but our offense is SIGNIFICANTLY more potent and high powered this year.

Why don't you quote/link where this was said. I think you must have made up most of what you said. Edit: I just did some searches, and I found no such things. Saw a post where I had passed along what I had heard about the Cat qb's. I see that I even had a discussion with you. Said I thought UM would beat the Cats (after you asked), but also said that, since I hadn't see the Cats play, my prediction wouldn't be that meaning. Had a discussion with another Cat poster, and thanked him for his information and said I'd learned alot about the Cats. I really don't like liars like you.

 

[tnt]

I've always been under the impression, the folks at Eastern were pretty convinced VA was a pretty good qaurterback, and great addition to the team. In fact a fair number of folks around the country thought so too. Now we are hearing from the Eastern Fans hes nothing special and can be replaced by anyone on the bench. Pretty amazing They will turn on anyone.

 

[EWURanger29]

I've always been under the impression, the folks at Eastern were pretty convinced VA was a pretty good qaurterback, and great addition to the team. In fact a fair number of folks around the country thought so too. Now we are hearing from the Eastern Fans hes nothing special and can be replaced by anyone on the bench. Pretty amazing They will turn on anyone.

Having confidence in a backup QB is not the same as turning on your starter. Adams will be back at some point doing his thing bigger and better, even if it's not until next season. Until then, West is the man...and I think he'll do just fine.

Like a few folks have mentioned in this thread, the offense will continue to be productive...probably not as productive as with Adams, but what no one has mentioned is that part of the reason the QB is so successful is because he has a lot of talent around him. A good line, great WR's, and a solid group of backs. Besides, from reading egriz the past couple of years all you need to be able to do in EWU's offense is just be able to throw up some "jump balls", amirite?

I am far more concerned with the defense than I am our offense, even without Adams.

 

[PlayerRep]

I've always been under the impression, the folks at Eastern were pretty convinced VA was a pretty good qaurterback, and great addition to the team. In fact a fair number of folks around the country thought so too. Now we are hearing from the Eastern Fans hes nothing special and can be replaced by anyone on the bench. Pretty amazing They will turn on anyone.

Having confidence in a backup QB is not the same as turning on your starter. Adams will be back at some point doing his thing bigger and better, even if it's not until next season. Until then, West is the man...and I think he'll do just fine.

Like a few folks have mentioned in this thread, the offense will continue to be productive...probably not as productive as with Adams, but what no one has mentioned is that part of the reason the QB is so successful is because he has a lot of talent around him. A good line, great WR's, and a solid group of backs. Besides, from reading egriz the past couple of years all you need to be able to do in EWU's offense is just be able to throw up some "jump balls", amirite?

I am far more concerned with the defense than I am our offense, even without Adams.

EWU has nice talent on the offense, but there is still going to be a large drop off without Adams. Without Adams, EWU would probably have lost several more games, and wouldn't have been close against UW. Fortunately for EWU, your schedule gets easier for at least 3 games.

 

[Great Day To Be An Eagle]

Being 100% objective here, that's not at all how I'm reading the comments from the EWU fan base. It's more to do with faith in the system, the coaches, the offensive weapons and West himself as a capable QB. No one once said anything about Vernon not being special. It's just that Baldwin has always preached "next man up" and past results prove he's right. No one panicked when Taiwan Jones was lost for the year in 2010. No one freaked out when Forte went down this year after his massive start to the season. And not many are freaking out with Vernon being gone for a few weeks. EWU will be EWU. Take the names, numbers and faces away from the roster over the last 10-plus, years and being EWU means having a dynamic offense, playmakers at every skill position size and speed and a punchers chance in every single football game they've lined up for.

 

[cclarkblues]

Hope VA makes it back healthy by the time we meet the Eags.

 

[ilovethecats]

it's funny how injuries like this seem to really change some fans perspectives on players. before the season ewu fans were talking VA up like a god. best player in the country and not even close. maybe the best to ever play the position in the big sky. he's all world. meanwhile non-ewu fans discredit the dude, say all he does is throw jump balls to great receivers, he's a classless thug, he's not even the best qb in the conference let alone the country...

fast forward to this weekend. lol. ewu fans singing a different tune. VA is very good but there won't be much of a dropoff with this new sophmore starting. ewu might put up a few less points here and there but overall this is no big deal. not so fast says everyone else. VA is dynamic! he's flat out a playmaker who makes ewu go. losing him for even a month could be catastrophic. the guy is probably the best player in the country and you don't just replace guys like him. ewu is fucked.

man i love football season! :thumb: :clap:

 

[wbtfg]

it's funny how injuries like this seem to really change some fans perspectives on players. before the season ewu fans were talking VA up like a god. best player in the country and not even close. maybe the best to ever play the position in the big sky. he's all world. meanwhile non-ewu fans discredit the dude, say all he does is throw jump balls to great receivers, he's a classless thug, he's not even the best qb in the conference let alone the country...

fast forward to this weekend. lol. ewu fans singing a different tune. VA is very good but there won't be much of a dropoff with this new sophmore starting. ewu might put up a few less points here and there but overall this is no big deal. not so fast says everyone else. VA is dynamic! he's flat out a playmaker who makes ewu go. losing him for even a month could be catastrophic. the guy is probably the best player in the country and you don't just replace guys like him. ewu is f***[*].

man i love football season! :thumb: :clap:

Bullseye

 

[grizfnz]

Being 100% objective here, that's not at all how I'm reading the comments from the EWU fan base. It's more to do with faith in the system, the coaches, the offensive weapons and West himself as a capable QB. No one once said anything about Vernon not being special. It's just that Baldwin has always preached "next man up" and past results prove he's right. No one panicked when Taiwan Jones was lost for the year in 2010. No one freaked out when Forte went down this year after his massive start to the season. And not many are freaking out with Vernon being gone for a few weeks. EWU will be EWU. Take the names, numbers and faces away from the roster over the last 10-plus, years and being EWU means having a dynamic offense, playmakers at every skill position size and speed and a punchers chance in every single football game they've lined up for.

Your offense didn't run through Taiwan or Quincy. I'm quite certain that had BLM gone down instead of Taiwan in 2010 your season would have ended much differently. Even with a broken foot Adams is/was a more dynamic player than your #2. The time he was able to buy while scrambling makes all those "jump balls" possible.....

 

[Allezchat]

How come every fan always seems to think their coach invented "next man up"? Every team out there preaches it.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

I think it's safe to say there's going to be a new front runner for the Payton since he won't likely be back until maybe the playoffs

 

[marceagfan5]

No one is happy to see happy to see VA on the sidelines, it hurts EWU's chances down the road and it diminishes any win a team has against EWU when he doesn't play

Adams was and is the best player in FCS this year. He is one of the all time greats, he broke the Big Sky touchdown record 6 games into his junior year. He was and is still on pace to break almost all of the Big Sky and FCS records next year, and not break them but smash them, even if he doesn't play the rest of this year. He is a special, special talent, probably one of the best EWU has ever had, maybe THE best, same goes for the Big Sky conference.

With that said, and no one is saying Adams wasn't a special player, EWU always seems to find a QB, so there is no reason to doubt the confidence in West. EWU's last 4 starting QB's, dating back over 10 years are Meyer, Nichols, Mitchell, and Adams. Two of them won the Peyton, one was on pace to win it this year and Nichols broke a ton of records during his tenure. Baldwin coached all of them, some as the OC and some as the HC, so Eastern anticipates West to do just as well, its expected, thats what Eastern has built. VA holds a ton of records, does a ton of things because of his talent, but the type of system Eastern runs puts a QB in position to do those things, Adams is special so he does them a lot better.

Eastern will adjust what they do on Offense to make West successful, but anyone counting out the Eags at this point is crazy. This team will rally around West and is still set to do great things.

Hopefully the Griz and Eastern will have a game with a healthy JJ and VA, but its going to be a great game no matter who plays, it always is...

 

[PlayerRep]

it's funny how injuries like this seem to really change some fans perspectives on players. before the season ewu fans were talking VA up like a god. best player in the country and not even close. maybe the best to ever play the position in the big sky. he's all world. meanwhile non-ewu fans discredit the dude, say all he does is throw jump balls to great receivers, he's a classless thug, he's not even the best qb in the conference let alone the country...

fast forward to this weekend. lol. ewu fans singing a different tune. VA is very good but there won't be much of a dropoff with this new sophmore starting. ewu might put up a few less points here and there but overall this is no big deal. not so fast says everyone else. VA is dynamic! he's flat out a playmaker who makes ewu go. losing him for even a month could be catastrophic. the guy is probably the best player in the country and you don't just replace guys like him. ewu is f***[*].

man i love football season! :thumb: :clap:

Agreed. And recognizing that there's some exaggeration in your post, I thought it also applied to some Cat posters last year after McGhee got hurt. As I had thought at the time, the loss/injury hurt the Cats, Bleskin wasn't as good as some Cats thought he would be, and McGhee was never the same when he came back. While the Cats had other weaknesses, the injury to McGhee spoiled the Cats' season--as they surely would have made the playoffs otherwise. While I'd like to know more about the foot injury, I doubt that Adams will be as good when he comes back. He won't be able to run, or even throw, for some time. There is no way there won't be a big drop off while he is out. We'll see how fast the back-up can get up to speed. I agree that there is a very good supporting cast for the EWU offense, so that will be a big help. But Adams is very very special, in my view. No way that the back-up is even close to special.

 

[PlayerRep]

No one is happy to see happy to see VA on the sidelines, it hurts EWU's chances down the road and it diminishes any win a team has against EWU when he doesn't play

Adams was and is the best player in FCS this year. He is one of the all time greats, he broke the Big Sky touchdown record 6 games into his junior year. He was and is still on pace to break almost all of the Big Sky and FCS records next year, and not break them but smash them, even if he doesn't play the rest of this year. He is a special, special talent, probably one of the best EWU has ever had, maybe THE best, same goes for the Big Sky conference.

With that said, and no one is saying Adams wasn't a special player, EWU always seems to find a QB, so there is no reason to doubt the confidence in West. EWU's last 4 starting QB's, dating back over 10 years are Meyer, Nichols, Mitchell, and Adams. Two of them won the Peyton, one was on pace to win it this year and Nichols broke a ton of records during his tenure. Baldwin coached all of them, some as the OC and some as the HC, so Eastern anticipates West to do just as well, its expected, thats what Eastern has built. VA holds a ton of records, does a ton of things because of his talent, but the type of system Eastern runs puts a QB in position to do those things, Adams is special so he does them a lot better.

Eastern will adjust what they do on Offense to make West successful, but anyone counting out the Eags at this point is crazy. This team will rally around West and is still set to do great things.

Hopefully the Griz and Eastern will have a game with a healthy JJ and VA, but its going to be a great game no matter who plays, it always is...

Perhaps true, but anyone who says there isn't going to be a significant drop off is also "crazy". There will be. Fortunately for EWU, this is also a drop off in the difficulty of the schedule in the next few games.

Being honest, how do you think EWU would have done with West instead of Adams against UW, MSU and Idaho St.?

 

[RayWill]

No one is happy to see happy to see VA on the sidelines, it hurts EWU's chances down the road and it diminishes any win a team has against EWU when he doesn't play

Adams was and is the best player in FCS this year. He is one of the all time greats, he broke the Big Sky touchdown record 6 games into his junior year. He was and is still on pace to break almost all of the Big Sky and FCS records next year, and not break them but smash them, even if he doesn't play the rest of this year. He is a special, special talent, probably one of the best EWU has ever had, maybe THE best, same goes for the Big Sky conference.

With that said, and no one is saying Adams wasn't a special player, EWU always seems to find a QB, so there is no reason to doubt the confidence in West. EWU's last 4 starting QB's, dating back over 10 years are Meyer, Nichols, Mitchell, and Adams. Two of them won the Peyton, one was on pace to win it this year and Nichols broke a ton of records during his tenure. Baldwin coached all of them, some as the OC and some as the HC, so Eastern anticipates West to do just as well, its expected, thats what Eastern has built. VA holds a ton of records, does a ton of things because of his talent, but the type of system Eastern runs puts a QB in position to do those things, Adams is special so he does them a lot better.

Eastern will adjust what they do on Offense to make West successful, but anyone counting out the Eags at this point is crazy. This team will rally around West and is still set to do great things.

Hopefully the Griz and Eastern will have a game with a healthy JJ and VA, but its going to be a great game no matter who plays, it always is...

Perhaps true, but anyone who says there isn't going to be a significant drop off is also "crazy". There will be. Fortunately for EWU, this is also a drop off in the difficulty of the schedule in the next few games.

Being honest, how do you think EWU would have done with West instead of Adams against UW, MSU and Idaho St.?

Considering that clutch plays by Va is what won two of three of those games and made the third very close it is pretty obvious they would of lost all three not just one

 

[marceagfan5]

No one is happy to see happy to see VA on the sidelines, it hurts EWU's chances down the road and it diminishes any win a team has against EWU when he doesn't play

Adams was and is the best player in FCS this year. He is one of the all time greats, he broke the Big Sky touchdown record 6 games into his junior year. He was and is still on pace to break almost all of the Big Sky and FCS records next year, and not break them but smash them, even if he doesn't play the rest of this year. He is a special, special talent, probably one of the best EWU has ever had, maybe THE best, same goes for the Big Sky conference.

With that said, and no one is saying Adams wasn't a special player, EWU always seems to find a QB, so there is no reason to doubt the confidence in West. EWU's last 4 starting QB's, dating back over 10 years are Meyer, Nichols, Mitchell, and Adams. Two of them won the Peyton, one was on pace to win it this year and Nichols broke a ton of records during his tenure. Baldwin coached all of them, some as the OC and some as the HC, so Eastern anticipates West to do just as well, its expected, thats what Eastern has built. VA holds a ton of records, does a ton of things because of his talent, but the type of system Eastern runs puts a QB in position to do those things, Adams is special so he does them a lot better.

Eastern will adjust what they do on Offense to make West successful, but anyone counting out the Eags at this point is crazy. This team will rally around West and is still set to do great things.

Hopefully the Griz and Eastern will have a game with a healthy JJ and VA, but its going to be a great game no matter who plays, it always is...

Perhaps true, but anyone who says there isn't going to be a significant drop off is also "crazy". There will be. Fortunately for EWU, this is also a drop off in the difficulty of the schedule in the next few games.

Being honest, how do you think EWU would have done with West instead of Adams against UW, MSU and Idaho St.?

We don't keep it close against Wash and we don't beat OSU last year without Adams. Adams didn't play great against MSU but we probably don't win that one either. Honest enough?

Eastern will be a different team and no one knows how good or bad west is. Bigger kid, stronger arm, but not as mobile, isn't the team leader and the game won't be as easy to him as it was Adams...

Easterns players had a meeting Sunday after the news and they are ready to rally around west. Don't be surprised to see players or units step up and play a lot better.

Time will tell....