VA best BSC QB of all time?

[NorthwestFresh]

No one is saying he isnt good. But trying to compare him to other greats including DD who is the GOAT in the Big Sky is just an absolute joke. Let him win a championship and we will maybe talk.

Brian Ah Yat put up great numbers in the Don Read system, too, as did other QBs during that time. If we're going to bash Adams for the EWU system, isn't it also fair to say that DD's numbers were also inflated due to Read's system? :?

 

[AZGrizFan]

No one is saying he isnt good. But trying to compare him to other greats including DD who is the GOAT in the Big Sky is just an absolute joke. Let him win a championship and we will maybe talk.

Brian Ah Yat put up great numbers in the Don Read system, too, as did other QBs during that time. If we're going to bash Adams for the EWU system, isn't it also fair to say that DD's numbers were also inflated due to Read's system? :?

Hence why the delivery of an NC is the differentiator.

 

[DuCharme]

Dickenson never saw the 2nd half of most games of his career as starter.
He also threw for 379 yds a game his sr season. Averaged 317 passing yds a game for his career.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Dickenson never saw the 2nd half of most games of his career as starter.
He also threw for 379 yds a game his sr season. Averaged 317 passing yds a game for his career.

That's not at all true. He played in many more second halves than he sat out during his career. No need to exaggerate things. :thumb:

 

[NorthwestFresh]

No one is saying he isnt good. But trying to compare him to other greats including DD who is the GOAT in the Big Sky is just an absolute joke. Let him win a championship and we will maybe talk.

Brian Ah Yat put up great numbers in the Don Read system, too, as did other QBs during that time. If we're going to bash Adams for the EWU system, isn't it also fair to say that DD's numbers were also inflated due to Read's system? :?

Hence why the delivery of an NC is the differentiator.

I absolutely agree! I just find the 'system' talk to be a bit dishonest, since Read and the bubble screens that were the running game let DD have a lot more passing attempts than most other QBs. Dave made the most of the opportunities, though, just as Adams (who is the opposite of DD in terms of being humble) is making the most of his. Some of the long balls Adams throws on the run are just unreal. He drops them right on the hands of the receiver. I don't care who you are, or what system you're running, but throwing for 7 TDs against any opponent, let alone a solid Pac 12 team, is great for a FCS QB.

 

[CrunchGriz]

Dickenson never saw the 2nd half of most games of his career as starter.
He also threw for 379 yds a game his sr season. Averaged 317 passing yds a game for his career.

That's not at all true. He played in many more second halves than he sat out during his career. No need to exaggerate things. :thumb:

Technically, this is true. However, in at least one season, he saw significantly less than full-game participation. A while back I went through the drive charts for DD's senior season, and he averaged less than 2.5 quarters per game that season.

I haven't checked his junior or sophomore season drive charts.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Technically, this is true. However, in at least one season, he saw significantly less than full-game participation. A while back I went through the drive charts for DD's senior season, and he averaged less than 2.5 quarters per game that season.

I haven't checked his junior or sophomore season drive charts.

I assumed the poster was talking about games DD played in, not games where he didn't play because he wasn't the starter, or games missed because of injury. I was at most of DD's home games. He played into the 3rd quarter almost every game. I do agree with you that he didn't play in the 4th quarter in many games, because he'd typically have a TD drive in the middle of the third, and then it was time for either Wilberger or Ah Yat, depending on the season.

 

[ordigger]

No one is saying he isnt good. But trying to compare him to other greats including DD who is the GOAT in the Big Sky is just an absolute joke. Let him win a championship and we will maybe talk.

Brian Ah Yat put up great numbers in the Don Read system, too, as did other QBs during that time. If we're going to bash Adams for the EWU system, isn't it also fair to say that DD's numbers were also inflated due to Read's system? :?

Hence why the delivery of an NC is the differentiator.

I absolutely agree! I just find the 'system' talk to be a bit dishonest, since Read and the bubble screens that were the running game let DD have a lot more passing attempts than most other QBs. Dave made the most of the opportunities, though, just as Adams (who is the opposite of DD in terms of being humble) is making the most of his. Some of the long balls Adams throws on the run are just unreal. He drops them right on the hands of the receiver. I don't care who you are, or what system you're running, but throwing for 7 TDs against any opponent, let alone a solid Pac 12 team, is great for a FCS QB.

Obviously you didn't read my entire post, and I'm one of those that is talking about the system. I stated that IMO DD is NOT the greatest Griz of all time for just that reason.

I also completely disagree with the theory that great is determined by a NC. Afterall it's a TEAM game....and qb's do not define a team....heck to the best of my knowledge they are not even on defense. Case in point the year is 2001....and no its not the NC but the Super Bowl....Mr Trent Dilfer the greatest qb in the history of the Ravens goes 12-25 as he leads his team to victory. Right? Hahahaha....not even close. The team, specifically the defense won it for the Ravens, and I recall a certain other defense that was very good that 2001 year for the NC victors also.

 

[Rjones61]

just as Adams (who is the opposite of DD in terms of being humble)

Dave Dickenson was a very good player. He was also had a very calm demeanors. Very humble and nice man. There are few players at that age which act that way.

That being said, Vernon Adams isn't a bad kid like he's painted on here. First time I met the kid, I was working in the residence halls. I tried to talk to him about his first game against Weber State and congratulate him on playing well. Every time I tried to talk about his football career at Eastern, he kept trying to steer the subject towards myself. Asking questions about my job, classes, etc. That is being humble in my opinion. Sure, he isn't as humble as Dave Dickenson was. Sure, he tries to fit the "hip stereotype" as it's defined by our generation. However, he's a good kid. He gave himself to Jesus when he came to Eastern (influenced by Padron) and every touchdown he points to the air as a salute to God.

 

[DuCharme]

Dickenson never saw the 2nd half of most games of his career as starter.
He also threw for 379 yds a game his sr season. Averaged 317 passing yds a game for his career.

That's not at all true. He played in many more second halves than he sat out during his career. No need to exaggerate things. :thumb:

Ha! I was going to ask that somebody take issue with that statement. Because that's how predictable it gets here.
So ok. Not 2 quarters. But 2.5 as has been pointed out already. I concede.
And I'll exaggerate all I like, your opinion notwithstanding, thank you very much.
But if you'd like to point it out when I do, that'll be fine. :thumb: