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Utah to PAC 10

Noles & Griz said:
UNDfan said:
With Texas talking with the Big 10, practically anything is possible.

With some of the conference changes lining up, it almost makes Montana's move to FBS inevitable.

Utah and Colorado to Pac10
Missouri, Texas, Syracuse to Big 10
BYU, TCU, Colorado St to Big 12
Boise St, Nevada, Fresno St, Hawaii to MWC

The WAC is left with: San Jose St, Idaho, N Mex St, Utah St

At a minimum, Montana, UCDavis, CalPoly, and Sac St join the WAC.

Montana would be a first-tier power in a new WAC. If Montana had joined a WAC with Boise St, Fresno, Hawaii, the Griz would have been in a second tier, making a move too risky.
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UNDfan...with your scenario, you have the Big 10 expanding to 14 teams. That is not going to happen. I think the Big East will take a FCS team...Villanova. They are already Big East in every other sport. Here is how I see things shaking out. This scenario eliminates the Sun Belt, has 10 12-team conferences, with Notre Dame, Army, and Navy remaining independent.

- Pitt goes to the Big 10...logical fit geographically, academically, and athletically.
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The Big 10 has publicly stated that it may not just take 1 team, but 3 (to 14) or even 5 (to 16). There are any number of media outlets reporting this, like the Chicago Sun-Times. Schools in the Big12 are under active consideration: including Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, Texas, and possibly Oklahoma. From the Big East, Rutgers or Syracuse add a lot more value than Pittsburgh would. Presumably, in order to attract Texas, the Big Ten would need to invite at least one other Big12 team, and possibly four more, in order to have a division in which Texas could maintain rivalries (e.g. Oklahoma) and decent travel (i.e. A west Big 10 division of the Big Ten with TX, OK, KS, MO, IA MN, WS, NW wouldn't be that much different than Big 12 travel.)

The Big 12 could theoretically lose 5 schools, which would end up descimating the MWC. Montana will almost certainly have an opportunity to rejoin Idaho and maybe even Nevada in an FBS league.
 
MrTitleist said:
See DJollie's post, David2. This is what a commuter school is, you're very confused again.
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I just think this whole commuter school idea, introduced by DJ, is a red herring. It could very well be that a commuter school like UNLV is as well supported by its state & community, and can have a good campus atmosphere like any other university. I'm not sure the conferences consider quality of campus life all that much. They look at the revenue from the athletic programs more than the academics, etc. After all, the athletic conferences are ATHLETIC conferences, not academic, quality of campus life, etc., conferences. I suppose schools in conferences set up their own concepts of membership & decide who they want & don't want. I'm no expert on this & have learned a lot re: this on this board.

BTW, DJ doesn't have to insult me.
 
David2 said:
MrTitleist said:
See DJollie's post, David2. This is what a commuter school is, you're very confused again.
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I just think this whole commuter school idea, introduced by DJ, is a red herring. It could very well be that a commuter school like UNLV is as well supported by its state & community, and can have a good campus atmosphere like any other university. I'm not sure the conferences consider quality of campus life all that much. They look at the revenue from the athletic programs more than the academics, etc. After all, the athletic conferences are ATHLETIC conferences, not academic, quality of campus life, etc., conferences. I suppose schools in conferences set up their own concepts of membership & decide who they want & don't want. I'm no expert on this & have learned a lot re: this on this board.

BTW, DJ doesn't have to insult me.
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Dude, the only commuter school in ANY BCS conference is SFU. Out of 70 or so teams, there is only ONE commuter school in the whole bunch. I didn't make the rules, I'm just trying tell you what they are. SFU at least has the potential to become a "destination university" as they are called. Again, USF is an outlier in that, they just keep expanding to accommodate more students, they have yet to slow up and raise admissions standards, which would go along way to making them more credible. For example, I have a very good friend who failed out at University of Indiana, like 0.0 failed out, but had no problem whatsoever matriculating to USF and graduated with something like a 3.8. USF got into the Big East because South Florida is now one of the 10 biggest schools in the US and South Florida (well, west southern central Florida anyway) is a MAJOR media market. USF is also the fastest growing research university in the WORLD. So even though most of their students come from Tampa / St. Pete, they still bring A LOT to the table.

UNLV doesn't bring anything close to that to the table, you have a town that is based on vice, tourism, and the service industry with a nomadic population that feels very few if any actual ties to the area. MOST responsible, out of area parents would never let their kids go to school in Vegas, David. Vegas is a big, sprawling, ungainly beast of a town that doesn't offer much to college aged students except the allure of trouble. For that and other reasons, UNLV is going to have a hard time being taken seriously as a major university suitable for a BCS conference.

I also didn't bring up the fact the UNLV is located in the gambling mecca of the western world and adding a BCS Pac-10 team would increase the odds of scandal by several orders of magnitude.

And I didn't really insult you any worse than you assaulted our societal norms with your bizarre suggestions and lines of questioning.
 
The "commuter school" argument is the reason that schools like Sacramento State and Portland State can have enrollments of 27,000 and 24,000+ respectively but still have zero athletic support or school spirit. There is zero campus atmosphere or vibe at these kind of schools. Generally lots of non-traditional students who do school part-time to supplement a job. Imagine replacing the Oval with a parking lot.

The University of Houston (37,000) falls into this category as well.
 
Question:

If Griz move to the WAC or MWC.

1) How do they pay for the extra scholarships? (Ticket Sales? Boosters? Bowl every 8-10 years?)
2) If they are losing, stadium will be half empty (see #1 above .. less tickets and less Booster chest thumping)
3) How do they compete in other sports other than football?
4) The Stadium will be half empty (See #2)
5) Who will the front running Montana fans cheer for? Montana won't be the top team anymore (See #2 above). Do we see a max Exodus of Montana fans coming over to Montana State?
6) The Cats take more Montana players (already happening anyway now) and become a power at the FCS level (fans/boosters increase - see #5 above)
7) Griz become the Idaho of the FBS.

Way too many Griz fans who support a winning team right now. Very risky proposition indeed :)
 
I would disagree about psu, GD. My kids go to psu and it's got a great vibe and lots of activity. everytime we visit, lots going on.
 
hokeyfine said:
I would disagree about psu, GD. My kids go to psu and it's got a great vibe and lots of activity. everytime we visit, lots going on.
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Apparently so much is going on that the students can't get to their Football or Basketball games...
 
hokeyfine said:
I would disagree about psu, GD. My kids go to psu and it's got a great vibe and lots of activity. everytime we visit, lots going on.
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There's a lot going on in the city. But it's far from a traditional college campus. Look at the BBall game going on there right now. Can they even fit 2,000 in the gym? Portland's a cool city, but school spirit is zilch. I know a person that transferred out of there seeking a "more traditional college experience."
 
If you want a thorough analysis, check out this thread. These MWC guys aren't screwing around..
http://www.mwcboard.com/www/forums/index.php?showtopic=22952
Gives light to how BYU would function in the Pac 10.
 
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