Utah to PAC 10

[NavyBlue]

If BYU and Utah left the MWC, no doubt that TCU would look to leave also. Why would a WAC team leave for a MWC without BYU and Utah, and knowing that TCU would soon be gone?

TCU did not join the MWC for games in Fort Collins and Laramie.

The reason that Boise wants in the MWC is to be in a league with BYU and Utah, without BYU and Utah the MWC is loses most of it's value. And it just might be the WAC that has the upper hand at that point.

But it is al moot, the Pac requires a unanimous vote for expansion, and getting all 10 to agree on who should be added just does not seem very likely.

 

[SouthDakotaGrizzly]

Looks like UM will miss the boat again. Now the Griz' only option for similar competition will be a VERY watered-down WAC that will be a pseudo FBS conference with pretty much no BCS bowl revenue sharing and no television money. For these two reasons, all financial incentive to move up will cease to exist.

I look at the budget "crisis" at UM and all I think is: "if UM is having problems, how bad are the problems at EWU, NAU, UNC, SAC, PSU, and ISU?" The Big Sky will not exist in 5 years, not in it's current state anyway. I bet it turns into a BB league with all of the above schools dropping football.

The Cali schools are going to have their athletic departments gutted, so there goes any hope of Poly or Davis replacing the schools that will be forced to drop football. The EWU red turf sideshow reeks of desperation and after it fails to attract more fans and support we can pretty much count on their program going the way of Western Washington. NAU has been rumored to be in massive financial upheaval for about two years now, so we'll see how long they last. Weber gets zero fan support for FB, so I imagine they will be hard pressed to justify a very expensive sport. UNC has only won 2 or 3 games since joining the BSC so I don't see them justifying keeping FB.

The move down crowd will get their wettest dream fulfilled when UM is forced to move to D-2 because THERE WON'T BE ANYONE LEFT IN THE WEST TO PLAY AGAINST AT THE FCS LEVEL.

But the bright side is, the Griz will still get to play in the playoffs every year and as an added bonus we'll be in the same conference as those Western State and Ft Lewis teams PR and the rest of the Move Down crew loves watching so much. The Griz will also get to beat up on powerhouse GVSU. Unfortunately tickets will still be $50 for homecoming and Griz/Cat because you dumb schmucks don't understand what quality competition is or why we thought it mattered.

After about three seasons of being in D-2 the fans will quit showing up entirely and UM will go the way of University of Vermont (which is the east coast version of UM) and will drop football entirely.

But hey, at least we'll never have to hear GB and PR screaming bloody murder about paying for extra scholarships and Title 9 ever again. That alone will be worth it for me.

I think it's much more likely that UM drops down to NAIA and plays in the Frontier with the rest of the Montana schools :roll: .

 

[LakGriz]

As long as Notre Dame has the NBC contract and doesn't have to share with anybody (same as with a bowl payoff -- if it went to a bowl), it won't join any conference. If the Irish lose the TV contract, their attitude will change.

 

[OrgonGriz]

I had heard this on the local Oregon sports radio as well. It mentioned that the PAC-10 would look to offer invites to Utah and Colorado and that BYU would look to move to the Big 12.

Also keep in mind that the Big Ten still is looking to ad there 12 memeber (yet to be named) in the near future..

Exciting stuff, shift, growth what is next...

 

[citygriz]

do the math.

the mountain west now has nine schools. they will lose at least two--utah and byu. that leaves seven. if they follow the emerging conference format of twelve schools, they add five schools. two are locks--boise state and fresno state. that leaves three schools. candidates are the remaining wac schools--idaho, utah state, nevada, san jose state, new mexico state and hawaii (louisiana tech will go elsewhere) AND hopefully montana.

i hope all effort is made to get us into this conference. it would re-unite us with our old skyline foes--colorado state, new mexico, wyoming, possibly utah state--plus our old big sky foes--boise state, nevada, possibly idaho. not only could we compete in football, it would be great for both our basketball programs. and it would give the mountain west access to a growing market, and a growing, energized fan base.

this is the conference we need to be in! i hope all planning at montana is geared to this conference. if the montana state issue is an impediment, it needs to be addressed now. anything less assures continued mediocrity when it comes to conference affiliation.

 

[NavyBlue]

city, always enjoy your take, but do you think TCU sticks around without BYU and Utah? I don't. Without BYU and Utah I don't think it is assured that Boise goes. Boise wants in the MWC mainly to be with BYU and Utah. Idaho borders Utah and Boise has a heavy LDS population plus there are alot of Utah transplants in Boise.

If BYU and Utah leave the MWC they are down to 7 members, you need 8 to be a FBS conference. With the inevitable expansion that will occur nationally, no doubt at that point the Big East football schools would break away and form a 12 team league, no doubt inviting TCU. A MWC without BYU, Utah, and TCU has nothing on the current WAC. The WAC may be in a position at that point to raid the MWC.

 

[mcg]

Neil Woelk in the Boulder Daily Camera thinks CU is going to the PAC 10. Personally, I don't agree because as Neil notes in his column the PAC 10 has a substantially lower payout than the Big 12 and in the final analysis this is all about money.

It's a good column, link here:

http://www.dailycamera.com/sports/ci_14379165#axzz0fFhsniU9

 

[billings_poke]

TCU is going nowhere Navy. They have nowhere to go unless the can go Big12 and I don't think that is happening. If they did go Big 12 to replace Colorado then that means BYU is still in the MWC

TCU, Air Force, New Mexico, Wyo, UNLV, SDSU, and CSU are all better funded than most of the WAC.

An Invite to Boise, Fresno, Houston, San Jose State/Hawaii/Utah State, and Nevada to join those schools above would be hard to ignore.

I seriously doubt the invite would go the other way frankly but we each have our bias.

 

[General Disarray]

Neil Woelk in the Boulder Daily Camera thinks CU is going to the PAC 10. Personally, I don't agree because as Neil notes in his column the PAC 10 has a substantially lower payout than the Big 12 and in the final analysis this is all about money.

It's a good column, link here:

http://www.dailycamera.com/sports/ci_14379165#axzz0fFhsniU9

If the Pac-10 had a championship game like the Big-12 they'd have a lot more $. Those conference championship games score a lot of ratings.

 

[Grizzoola]

Las Vegas comments make good case for UNLV to go to PAC10:

http://unlv.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1093&tid=139803858&mid=139803858&sid=915&style=2

Many comments on this board re: fitness of a school's academic program, etc., for, say, the PAC10, but I think UNLV would be a good fit. I don't know what Colorado would gain going into the PAC10; it's already in a premier BCS conference. Your comments?

 

[GrizMontana]

city, always enjoy your take, but do you think TCU sticks around without BYU and Utah? I don't. Without BYU and Utah I don't think it is assured that Boise goes. Boise wants in the MWC mainly to be with BYU and Utah. Idaho borders Utah and Boise has a heavy LDS population plus there are alot of Utah transplants in Boise.

If BYU and Utah leave the MWC they are down to 7 members, you need 8 to be a FBS conference. With the inevitable expansion that will occur nationally, no doubt at that point the Big East football schools would break away and form a 12 team league, no doubt inviting TCU. A MWC without BYU, Utah, and TCU has nothing on the current WAC. The WAC may be in a position at that point to raid the MWC.

Missouri will more than likely get a chance to move to the Big 10 which has 11 teams and is looking for an additional member. They are a good geographic fit for the conference, this leaves a spot in the Big 12 for TCU which would love to get on Texas, Texas Tech and Oklahoma's schedule.

 

[NavyBlue]

Athletic conferences work best when all the members are similar institutions with similar goals for academics and athletics. Similar schools face the same type of funding and admittance issues and want to be seen as a peer to other members in all areas. Very different schools will have different agendas for athletics and academics and that can cause friction in the conference. There is much more to this than a football team and all the schools know it.

Listen to Griz members complain that UM does not belong with the directional schools it is now paired with in the big sky. Very different budgets and issues for these schools and the commitment to athletics is very different between schools. This is what the AQ conferences want to avoid.

Boise would stick out academically like a sore thumb in the PAC 10. Plus they play in a small TV market that would not help the PAC-10 increase revenue. Utah fits

Billings, if the Pac-10 and Big Ten both go to 12 that would leave the Big East as the only AQ conference not at 12 teams. The Big East at that point would probably break away from the 8 basketball schools and add four themselves to get to 12. I would have to think that TCU would be thier number one target. I believe with BYU and Utah gone, TCU would depart the MWC in a heartbeat. Which would leave the the MWC with only 6 members.

In the past when the Big East has lost members they have drawn from C-USA which I believe they would again, with the exception of TCU. C-USA MAY be interested in New Mexico and Air Force from the MWC to replace teams that departed for the Big East. If the dominos fell the way I think they will, it could spell the end of the MWC. But again, this is all speculation and in my opinion, the Pac, probably won't expand at all.

 

[djollieballs]

Las Vegas comments make good case for UNLV to go to PAC10:

http://unlv.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1093&tid=139803858&mid=139803858&sid=915&style=2

Many comments on this board re: fitness of a school's academic program, etc., for, say, the PAC10, but I think UNLV would be a good fit. I don't know what Colorado would gain going into the PAC10; it's already in a premier BCS conference. Your comments?

David2 is Bobby Hauck.

I can't believe it took me this long to figure it out.

 

[citygriz]

city, always enjoy your take, but do you think TCU sticks around without BYU and Utah? I don't. Without BYU and Utah I don't think it is assured that Boise goes. Boise wants in the MWC mainly to be with BYU and Utah. Idaho borders Utah and Boise has a heavy LDS population plus there are alot of Utah transplants in Boise.

If BYU and Utah leave the MWC they are down to 7 members, you need 8 to be a FBS conference. With the inevitable expansion that will occur nationally, no doubt at that point the Big East football schools would break away and form a 12 team league, no doubt inviting TCU. A MWC without BYU, Utah, and TCU has nothing on the current WAC. The WAC may be in a position at that point to raid the MWC.

spoken like a man whose team is in the wac, navy! even without utah, byu and tcu, the moutain west with colorado state, new mexico, wyoming, air force, san diego state and u.n.l.v. is far superior to the wac, with a much greater population base and larger tv markets. boise state and fresno state do not turn down this invitation, no ways. we could not compete against utah, byu and tcu, but against the rest of the these schools, we could, both in football and basketball, and this is where we need to be. truly a case of water seeking its own level.

 

[NavyBlue]

Not sure I agree about the "far superiority" of those but who knows. Besides, like I posted above if Pac-10 and Big Ten expansion were to occur other leagues like the Big East would be affected, the BE would replace from C-USA and in my opinion C-USA would probably pick up a couple MWC teams like UNM and AFA as replacements.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Las Vegas comments make good case for UNLV to go to PAC10:

http://unlv.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1093&tid=139803858&mid=139803858&sid=915&style=2

Many comments on this board re: fitness of a school's academic program, etc., for, say, the PAC10, but I think UNLV would be a good fit. I don't know what Colorado would gain going into the PAC10; it's already in a premier BCS conference. Your comments?

David2 is Bobby Hauck.

I can't believe it took me this long to figure it out.

I don't think so. Bobby Hauck wouldn't have asked for your comments.

 

[dbackjon]

Las Vegas comments make good case for UNLV to go to PAC10:

http://unlv.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1093&tid=139803858&mid=139803858&sid=915&style=2

Many comments on this board re: fitness of a school's academic program, etc., for, say, the PAC10, but I think UNLV would be a good fit. I don't know what Colorado would gain going into the PAC10; it's already in a premier BCS conference. Your comments?

UNLV is NOT a good fit for the Pac 10

 

[billings_poke]

TCU has no shot at the Big East. too Remote.

I agree Big East raids CUSA. But they also added UCONN from 1AA as well. They may add APPY state. They have a lot of options that are closer than TCU. ECU and Memphis or even Southern Miss would go first. They may also lose Pitt to BIG 10 like some say they will and not missouri. Navy may also get a look.

I just don't see your scenario as a possibility. Nobody wants to join CUSA, especially without Memphis and ECU, except LA tech which would cost the WAC another member. Tension could be high as about 3 Western schools could be left with no conference.

Do the math

If the MWC loses 2 and then adds 5 to expand to 12 then they merge with 5 of the WAC members. That leaves 3 WAC members looking for a home. (assuming LA Tech goes to CUSA).

One western FBS conference could very well cease to exist as the MWC and WAC merges.
Biggest risk is Hawaii, New Mexico State, and Idaho to lose out.

 

[GrizMontana]

TCU has no shot at the Big East. too Remote.

I agree Big East raids CUSA. But they also added UCONN from 1AA as well. They may add APPY state. They have a lot of options that are closer than TCU. ECU and Memphis or even Southern Miss would go first. They may also lose Pitt to BIG 10 like some say they will and not missouri. Navy may also get a look.

I just don't see your scenario as a possibility. Nobody wants to join CUSA, especially without Memphis and ECU, except LA tech which would cost the WAC another member. Tension could be high as about 3 Western schools could be left with no conference.

Do the math

If the MWC loses 2 and then adds 5 to expand to 12 then they merge with 5 of the WAC members. That leaves 3 WAC members looking for a home. (assuming LA Tech goes to CUSA).

One western FBS conference could very well cease to exist as the MWC and WAC merges.
Biggest risk is Hawaii, New Mexico State, and Idaho to lose out.

Couldn't agree more.....there is absolutely no way TCU plays in the BIG EAST!!!!!!!!! Makes no sense what so ever.......!!!??

 

[bengal]

"BYU focuses on an undergraduate education and are quite good at that. Compared to the PAC - 10 their Graduate programs are few and far between. We are talking PHD programs here. There is no comparison."

According to US News and World Report's rankings of US graduate schools, BYU's graduate business program is 29th in the country, its law school is 41st, graduate engineering program is 92 and its graduate education program is 103. I think that would place BYU squarely in the realm of PAC 10 possibility. It's true BYU does not play on Sundays, but the conference can always schedule around that. The NCAA does.