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Upset Guesses (November 18, 20)

Which upsets are likely?

  • Monmouth (7-3) at #9 Kennesaw State (9-1)

    Votes: 13 40.6%
  • #21 Mercer (7-2) at #8 ETSU (9-1)

    Votes: 13 40.6%
  • #16 South Dakota (7-3) at #4 NDSU (9-1)

    Votes: 11 34.4%
  • Elon (5-5) vs #25 Rhode Island (7-3)

    Votes: 4 12.5%
  • Nicholls (5-5) at #15 SE Louisiana (8-2)

    Votes: 4 12.5%
  • Abilene Christian (5-5) vs #1 Sam Houston (9-0)

    Votes: 1 3.1%
  • Delaware (5-5) vs #6 Villanova (8-2)

    Votes: 3 9.4%
  • North Dakota (5-5) at #12 SDSU (7-3)

    Votes: 8 25.0%

  • Total voters
    32

IdaGriz01

Well-known member
Fairly slim pickin’s for really likely upsets this coming week (one game is on Thursday). That includes only two ranked-vs-ranked matchups that I could use. In fact, I considered cutting the list back and only allowing one choice. I went ahead, however, because many of the games have some very important ramifications for the post season. At least I didn’t have to include opponents with losing records, and many of those 5-5 records are deceptive in that they came against strong opposition (FBS or ranked FCS).

As usual, you are allowed two picks, and you can change your mind (and votes).

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Commentary
The Monmouth at Kennesaw State game will be for the Big South auto-bid. However, even if K-State loses, their resulting 9-2 record would surely earn them an at-large bid. But Monmouth at 7-4 in the weak Big South would have little chance for an at-large bid. Desperation can make some odd things happen.

Mercer at ETSU will be the same, but with even more pressure on Mercer. Again, ETSU could lose and, at 9-2, get an at-large bid. If Mercer loses, however, they end at 7-3 … with only six D-I wins because their first game was against a D-II opponent. Sayonara, baby!

South Dakota at NDSU puts a lot on the line for both teams. NDSU will get a bid for sure, but two conference losses would put them in a tie with three other two-loss teams. I have no idea how the tie-breakers work in the MVFC, but USD would obviously have it over the Bison. On the other hand, if USD loses, they end up at 7-4. As I said over in the “End Game” thread, I think 7-4 teams from the MFVC (and the CAA) will be in play for an at-large bid.

Elon at home against Rhode Island could be more interesting than it looks from the comparative records. Only Elon’s first game (which they lost by 2 points) can be considered a “bad” loss. The other four came against a strong App State team, a low-ranked FCS, and two ranked in the FCS top-5. So the Rhodies better not take the Phoenix lightly. Also, Elon is at home and has absolutely nothing to lose (they ain’t going anywhere). But a loss by Rhode Island would throw them into that 7-4 conversation. A bid at 7-4, out of the CAA, might happen but they’d be much safer at 8-3.

Nicholls at SE Louisiana looks like an easy win for the ranked team … and it probably is. But it’s worth noting that all of Nicholls losses have been to pretty good FBS or ranked FCS opponents. This is another game where the ranked team better not take the opponent lightly.

Abilene Christian versus Sam Houston also looks like an easy – even a slam dunk – for the ranked team. But the Wildcats are at home and those five losses are somewhat misleading. One, of course, was to a strong FBS team. Plus, every FCS opponent they lost to has been ranked (some fairly high) for at least part of the season.

The game at Delaware against Villanova offers one of those “nothing to lose” scenarios for the home team. There’s no outcome that will get the Blue Hens a bid, but they could at least end up with a winning season record. Also, playing loosey-goosey they might spoil Villanova’s playoff ambitions. The Wildcats are surely going to get a bid, win or lose. But ending with a loss will likely kill any hope of a top seed and, in fact, throw them into that big mix of 8-3 teams. If ‘Nova plays tight and Delaware comes out with a “what the hell, let’s do it” attitude … well, that’s when upsets happen.

North Dakota at SDSU is yet another case involving a deceptive record for the unranked team and extra pressure on the ranked side. UND lost to a pretty good FBS and three ranked FCS teams (two of those in the top-5 at the time). As with the Delaware game, UND has nothing to lose except for a chance at a winning season record. On the other hand, SDSU lost its last game and therefore half of its last six games. And danger lurks for them: A loss leaves them at 7-4. However, one of those games was against a D-II opponent, so they would have only six D-I wins. Not a real winning hand if you’re thrown into the 7-4 mix hoping for a bid.
 
kurtismichael said:
Monmouth and Mercer.
Good choices. Of all the matchups, these two have the most at stake. Unless something absolutely crazy happens in the games, both of these are "win or stay home" for the underdogs.

South Dakota (7-3) could fail to get a bid if they fall to (7-4) ... but they still might. And, of course, all those 5-5 underdogs can only hope to make trouble and salvage a (barely) winning season.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
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North Dakota at SDSU is yet another case involving a deceptive record for the unranked team and extra pressure on the ranked side. UND lost to a pretty good FBS and three ranked FCS teams (two of those in the top-5 at the time). As with the Delaware game, UND has nothing to lose except for a chance at a winning season record. On the other hand, SDSU lost its last game and therefore half of its last six games. And danger lurks for them: A loss leaves them at 7-4. However, one of those games was against a D-II opponent, so they would have only six D-I wins. Not a real winning hand if you’re thrown into the 7-4 mix hoping for a bid.
Interesting that this game moved into a tie for the lead in votes. I wonder how many think an upset is really likely and how many just want very badly for it to happen. :D

Would be a good thing, of course, since it would give SDSU 4 losses. I suspect they might get a bid anyway, even with that one D-II win. However you look at it, them losing would strengthen the case for more (8-3) teams from the Big Sky.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
Commentary
Nicholls at SE Louisiana looks like an easy win for the ranked team … and it probably is. But it’s worth noting that all of Nicholls losses have been to pretty good FBS or ranked FCS opponents. This is another game where the ranked team better not take the opponent lightly.
SELA is a good team in an absolutely TERRIBLE conference. This will be the second time these teams have faced off against each other this season. Many analysts and arm chair qbs think Cole Kelley is phenomenal and is now the front runner for the Payton award. Here's the comparison... if Cam was given the opportunity to play against teams the same caliber as Cal Poly every game he would look out of this world good. Whoopty-fricken-doo! ANYWAY, SELA barely beat Nicholls the first time around and doesn't appear their coaching staff makes great adjustments from one game to the next. Many of SELA's wins have come down to who has the ball and scores last. This time I don't think they're gonna pull it off. 52-49 Nicholls
 
Team10 said:
IdaGriz01 said:
Commentary
Nicholls at SE Louisiana looks like an easy win for the ranked team … and it probably is. But it’s worth noting that all of Nicholls losses have been to pretty good FBS or ranked FCS opponents. This is another game where the ranked team better not take the opponent lightly.
SELA is a good team in an absolutely TERRIBLE conference. This will be the second time these teams have faced off against each other this season. Many analysts and arm chair qbs think Cole Kelley is phenomenal and is now the front runner for the Payton award. Here's the comparison... if Cam was given the opportunity to play against teams the same caliber as Cal Poly every game he would look out of this world good. Whoopty-fricken-doo! ANYWAY, SELA barely beat Nicholls the first time around and doesn't appear their coaching staff makes great adjustments from one game to the next. Many of SELA's wins have come down to who has the ball and scores last. This time I don't think they're gonna pull it off. 52-49 Nicholls
Just out of curiosity, I looked up some stats: SELA is #1 in Scoring Offense at 48.6 Points Per Game. Which they need to be, because they are #85 in Scoring Defense, giving up 30.7 PPG.

And good quote: The last SELA game we watched, I said that very thing midway through the 3rd quarter. :lol:
 
IdaGriz01 said:
Team10 said:
SELA is a good team in an absolutely TERRIBLE conference. This will be the second time these teams have faced off against each other this season. Many analysts and arm chair qbs think Cole Kelley is phenomenal and is now the front runner for the Payton award. Here's the comparison... if Cam was given the opportunity to play against teams the same caliber as Cal Poly every game he would look out of this world good. Whoopty-fricken-doo! ANYWAY, SELA barely beat Nicholls the first time around and doesn't appear their coaching staff makes great adjustments from one game to the next. Many of SELA's wins have come down to who has the ball and scores last. This time I don't think they're gonna pull it off. 52-49 Nicholls
Just out of curiosity, I looked up some stats: SELA is #1 in Scoring Offense at 48.6 Points Per Game. Which they need to be, because they are #85 in Scoring Defense, giving up 30.7 PPG.

And good quote: The last SELA game we watched, I said that very thing midway through the 3rd quarter. :lol:
Watching a couple of the voters post their list on twitter and seeing some of them have SELA as high as 7th at one point was unbelievable. :punch:
 
Team10 said:
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Watching a couple of the voters post their list on twitter and seeing some of them have SELA as high as 7th at one point was unbelievable. :punch:
Seems like the pollsters just love those big scores. There might also be some "leverage" from how close SELA stayed to an FBS opponent (losing by only a FG). Of course, LA Tech turned out to be not so good FBS (3-7), but the pollsters seldom dig that deep.
 
Pretty even – 7-7 – in the SELA-Nicholls game. Get the feeling that SELA knows they need a good win to secure a seed. But Nicholls moved the ball really well, so this looks like it will be another shootout (normal for SELA).

Yep. Score is now 14-14. ;)
 
IdaGriz01 said:
Pretty even – 7-7 – in the SELA-Nicholls game. Get the feeling that SELA knows they need a good win to secure a seed. But Nicholls moved the ball really well, so this looks like it will be another shootout (normal for SELA).

Yep. Score is now 14-14. ;)
Not so even anymore. SELA and their unstoppable offense had one first down in the 3rd Q.
 
Team10 said:
IdaGriz01 said:
Pretty even – 7-7 – in the SELA-Nicholls game. Get the feeling that SELA knows they need a good win to secure a seed. But Nicholls moved the ball really well, so this looks like it will be another shootout (normal for SELA).

Yep. Score is now 14-14. ;)
Not so even anymore. SELA and their unstoppable offense had one first down in the 3rd Q.
Well, I hate to gloat (well, maybe a little :) ) but I kinda figured SELA might have a let-down because they figured they had a bid. So, they were one of my picks for an upset. Now they're in the (8-3) conversation ... and we'll see.

Edit: Although SELA lost, the game was close. I'm guessing they will get an at-large bid anyway. If the Griz don't get a seed, it wouldn't surprise me to see SELA in Missoula for the first playoff game
 
IdaGriz01 said:
... Well, I hate to gloat (well, maybe a little :) ) but I kinda figured SELA might have a let-down because they figured they had a bid [locked up]. So, they were one of my picks for an upset. Now they're in the (8-3) conversation ... and we'll see.

Edit: Although SELA lost, the game was close. I'm guessing they will get an at-large bid anyway. If the Griz don't get a seed, it wouldn't surprise me to see SELA in Missoula for the first playoff game
Who knew? Turns out, this is a rivalry game, and somebody has already updated the Wikipedia item about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Bell_Classic

I figured a 9-2 SELA team might be in the running (outside chance) for a seed. At 8-3 ... they get nuthin' except a chance at a regular at-large.
 
Bump. Still time to get your votes in before the first game kicks off. First "upset" game goes off at 11:00 MT.
 
Just now noticed something. Only two of the choices on this week's poll turned out to be upsets (although some were close).

The other thing that amazes me is that ... I got them both. Hell of a way to end up the season.

Of course, I consider them easy picks: We've seen Nicholls play several times, and they're pretty damn good. And Rhode Island always seems to go in the toilet late in the season.
 
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