UM Vs Prairie View

[grizzlyjournal]

Where was Jaxon Nap?

Jaxon was with the team, suited up.

 

[Chucknduck]

Great road win for the Griz. A fun game, but with some strange turns. After a first half with only 11 fouls, the game ends with 36 total fouls, 19 against Montana.

A ton of very good signs from this team. Griz shoot 57% from the field... 87.5 from beyond the arc (11-for-19!), and out-rebound PV by 1. Only the five starters scored, but scoring was spread around pretty well (Bannan 22, Moody 21, Thomas 17 & Whitney 16). Only 5 points from Lonnell Martin, but his fallaway trey from the baseline late in the game was big.
Griz got very good bench minutes from Josh Vazquez, but I think I stand corrected re: a post I made earlier in the season... Montana does not have as much depth as I predicted. Gotta stay healthy. Go Griz.

Our bench is what is going to be what ultimately kills us over the course of the season. Mac gotwhat, 7 minutes yesterday, without even being in foul trouble. Travis always says he’s our best defender too.

Moreover, when you recruit 2 D2 kids to provide depth is worrisome; especially with the market of D1 transfers available…..every…..single….year. Sure we got Moody who has been great but why go the D2 route for JB and LO? It’s possible to say Brown and Oke may have a chip in their shoulder and might be a little more hungry to prove people wrong comparing to a D1 transfer who was upset about playing time. Yesterday was strange with bench minutes. That was the first time I’ve ever seen a grizzly team with no bench player with more that 9 minutes and zero points. That won’t fly in conference play.

 

[IdaGriz01]

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Our bench is what is going to be what ultimately kills us over the course of the season. Mac god what, 7 minutes yesterday, without even being in foul trouble. Travis always says he’s our best defender too.
... Yesterday was strange with bench minutes. That was the first time I’ve ever seen a grizzly team with no bench player with more that 9 minutes and zero points. That won’t fly in conference play.

Want to worry some more? You have to go back five or six games to find one where the (mostly) non-scoring bench players had even a third of the Assists recorded. Their lack of scoring might be somewhat more tolerable if they were out there feeding the starters so they could score. That's not happening. Steals also almost non-existent for the bench players. So they're out there only to give starters a chance to catch their breath, but are otherwise just passing the ball back and forth.

That's what it seems like from the stats. Is that accurate? (I've only seen highlights and other snippets of play.)

 

[Griz til I die]

What happened yesterday with the starters all playing 30+ minutes is not indicative of what we’ll see moving forward. That was just the way the game worked out yesterday and that happens. People on here love to get critical of Decuire for over-rotating when somebody has the hot hand, and it just so happens that all the starters had the hot hand yesterday. No point in pulling them if they’re not in foul trouble and everyone’s contributing.

 

[Chucknduck]

What happened yesterday with the starters all playing 30+ minutes is not indicative of what we’ll see moving forward. That was just the way the game worked out yesterday and that happens. People on here love to get critical of Decuire for over-rotating when somebody has the hot hand, and it just so happens that all the starters had the hot hand yesterday. No point in pulling them if they’re not in foul trouble and everyone’s contributing.

No, what we need from players not in the starting rotation is more production. I’m sure it will get better, and it CAN’T get any worse(speaking on the prairie view game), but the starting 5 needs more production from the bench. Did you look at the expanded results of the 22 minutes of bench play yesterday? It was pretty much emptiness.

I’ve been alright with Travis “over-rotating” in the past mainly because there’s atleast one go to player on the bench who can get 10 and 5. Do you see one at the moment on the bench? Mac is good for 4 and 6 with 4 PF’s every game and is the glue guy. Vasquez really should be knocking down at a minimum 2-3 threes/game. Personally I don’t think Oke has the hands for the post and I haven’t exactly seen him light it up on the rebounding side of things which is what he was brought in for. Brown might be that guy, but I have seen him turn it over more often than not. Nap really should be red-shirting. Time will tell, but as of right now, we don’t have much depth at all.

 

[Griz til I die]

What happened yesterday with the starters all playing 30+ minutes is not indicative of what we’ll see moving forward. That was just the way the game worked out yesterday and that happens. People on here love to get critical of Decuire for over-rotating when somebody has the hot hand, and it just so happens that all the starters had the hot hand yesterday. No point in pulling them if they’re not in foul trouble and everyone’s contributing.

No, what we need from players not in the starting rotation is more production. I’m sure it will get better, and it CAN’T get any worse(speaking on the prairie view game), but the starting 5 needs more production from the bench. Did you look at the expanded results of the 22 minutes of bench play yesterday? It was pretty much emptiness.

I’ve been alright with Travis “over-rotating” in the past mainly because there’s atleast one go to player on the bench who can get 10 and 5. Do you see one at the moment on the bench? Mac is good for 4 and 6 with 4 PF’s every game and is the glue guy. Vasquez really should be knocking down at a minimum 2-3 threes/game. Personally I don’t think Oke has the hands for the post and I haven’t exactly seen him light it up on the rebounding side of things which is what he was brought in for. Brown might be that guy, but I have seen him turn it over more often than not. Nap really should be red-shirting. Time will tell, but as of right now, we don’t have much depth at all.

We’ve had good production from the bench all year except for yesterday. I seem to remember Johnathan Brown just a couple weeks ago play a major role off the bench against Air Force and Southern Miss.

 

[Chucknduck]

No, what we need from players not in the starting rotation is more production. I’m sure it will get better, and it CAN’T get any worse(speaking on the prairie view game), but the starting 5 needs more production from the bench. Did you look at the expanded results of the 22 minutes of bench play yesterday? It was pretty much emptiness.

I’ve been alright with Travis “over-rotating” in the past mainly because there’s atleast one go to player on the bench who can get 10 and 5. Do you see one at the moment on the bench? Mac is good for 4 and 6 with 4 PF’s every game and is the glue guy. Vasquez really should be knocking down at a minimum 2-3 threes/game. Personally I don’t think Oke has the hands for the post and I haven’t exactly seen him light it up on the rebounding side of things which is what he was brought in for. Brown might be that guy, but I have seen him turn it over more often than not. Nap really should be red-shirting. Time will tell, but as of right now, we don’t have much depth at all.

We’ve had good production from the bench all year except for yesterday. I seem to remember Johnathan Brown just a couple weeks ago play a major role off the bench against Air Force and Southern Miss.

Meh. This is the weakest bench we’ve ever had since Decuire took over. Give me a bench worse than this one. Do you really think this bench will assist enough to win it all in Boise? Holy smokes I hope I’m really wrong, but I don’t think we have the hogs to go to the dance this year.

 

[IdaGriz01]

We’ve had good production from the bench all year except for yesterday. I seem to remember Johnathan Brown just a couple weeks ago play a major role off the bench against Air Force and Southern Miss.

Meh. This is the weakest bench we’ve ever had since Decuire took over. Give me a bench worse than this one. Do you really think this bench will assist enough to win it all in Boise? Holy smokes I hope I’m really wrong, but I don’t think we have the hogs to go to the dance this year.

For the season, the Griz bench has provided 113 of 746 (15.1%). (Brown has indeed been a contributor … he and Vazquez have most of the bench points.) I don’t know what’s “normal” for bench production, but – for comparison – Griz opponents generally got 25-40% of their points from the bench. So even the overall number for UM looks pretty low.

More to the point, most of that production came earlier in the season, when the Griz were (3-4).

In the four most recent games, when the Griz went (3-1), the bench scored 20 out of 298 points (6.7%). That has got to improve.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Great road win for the Griz. A fun game, but with some strange turns. After a first half with only 11 fouls, the game ends with 36 total fouls, 19 against Montana.

A ton of very good signs from this team. Griz shoot 57% from the field... 87.5 from beyond the arc (11-for-19!), and out-rebound PV by 1. Only the five starters scored, but scoring was spread around pretty well (Bannan 22, Moody 21, Thomas 17 & Whitney 16). Only 5 points from Lonnell Martin, but his fallaway trey from the baseline late in the game was big.
Griz got very good bench minutes from Josh Vazquez, but I think I stand corrected re: a post I made earlier in the season... Montana does not have as much depth as I predicted. Gotta stay healthy. Go Griz.

Point of order, Mr. Chairman….11/19 is not 87.5%. It’s 57.9%.

 

[grizzlyjournal]

Great road win for the Griz. A fun game, but with some strange turns. After a first half with only 11 fouls, the game ends with 36 total fouls, 19 against Montana.

A ton of very good signs from this team. Griz shoot 57% from the field... 87.5 from beyond the arc (11-for-19!), and out-rebound PV by 1. Only the five starters scored, but scoring was spread around pretty well (Bannan 22, Moody 21, Thomas 17 & Whitney 16). Only 5 points from Lonnell Martin, but his fallaway trey from the baseline late in the game was big.
Griz got very good bench minutes from Josh Vazquez, but I think I stand corrected re: a post I made earlier in the season... Montana does not have as much depth as I predicted. Gotta stay healthy. Go Griz.

Point of order, Mr. Chairman….11/19 is not 87.5%. It’s 57.9%.

Yep. Apologies. The Griz actually shot 87.5% from the free throw line.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I’ll take 58%!

 

[GrizBall]

Meh. This is the weakest bench we’ve ever had since Decuire took over. Give me a bench worse than this one. Do you really think this bench will assist enough to win it all in Boise? Holy smokes I hope I’m really wrong, but I don’t think we have the hogs to go to the dance this year.

For the season, the Griz bench has provided 113 of 746 (15.1%). (Brown has indeed been a contributor … he and Vazquez have most of the bench points.)

I am not sure if you are also counting the D-2 game, but when you subtract the 36 total points scored by the bench against a D-2 opponent and a blow-out of St. Thomas, the percentage is even worse. I made a similar point on another thread regarding bench minutes. It is clear Travis has very little trust in his bench in close games.

I would also respectfully disagree that Brown has been a "contributor." If you subtract the D-2 game, he has played 100 minutes and scored 27 points over 10 games (one of which looked like a DNP-Coach's Decision).

 

[Sport]

Player/bench contributions? What else is there to complain about? Maybe instead we should be saying, great game players and coaches, winning 2 out of three on the road is a great start to getting ready for conference..
I think tomorrow they’ll hold their own against the Zags. To me a single digit loss would be a good showing. Last time we played them in spokane Gefeller missed a 3 pointer to tie at the buzzer.

 

[grizzlyjournal]

Player/bench contributions? What else is there to complain about? Maybe instead we should be saying, great game players and coaches, winning 2 out of three on the road is a great start to getting ready for conference..
I think tomorrow they’ll hold their own against the Zags. To me a single digit loss would be a good showing. Last time we played them in spokane Gefeller missed a 3 pointer to tie at the buzzer.

I agree fully, Sport. This team has made significant strides on both ends of the floor. I was not being critical of coach DeCuire or players with my observation that team depth isn't as broad or deep as I'd earlier expected. Certainly there are opportunities, though for any of the bench players to work their way into needed bench roles. Vazquez seems to me the most important. And Oke to provide defensive depth. Anderson has the tools, but can't seem to stay from puzzling needless fouls. Nap simply needs a bit of time... maybe not much. I'm still unsure about Brown, though I know he's a good perimeter shooter.