UM vs msu instate recruits... Here we go again

[AZGrizFan]

I get that having Montana kids on the team is important but... some of you are way too obsessed with whether or not we have Montana kids on the team.

Without stud Montana kids to set the team atmosphere, we are just another team. Alabama wins championships with the majority of starters from Alabama. Same for Ohio State. Same for LSU. Same for Clemson. Same for USC.

Oregon has few Oregon starters....... and loses the big games.....always the pretender....never the champion

More made-up shit from AtlantaGriz. Alabama has 7 projected starters out of 22 on their 2016 two-deep. And that's out of a state of 5.2 million people. Last I checked they still have to field 11 on offense and 11 on defense. Every one of the schools you mentioned are in or very near HEAVILY populated areas. Think that might make just a TAD bit of difference?

Probably not....doesn't fit your narrative.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Fellas... this post is about a Griz verbal, please take your conversation elsewhere... God know the whole instate conversation has been beat the death.

THANK YOU!!!

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

I get that having Montana kids on the team is important but... some of you are way too obsessed with whether or not we have Montana kids on the team.

Without stud Montana kids to set the team atmosphere, we are just another team. Alabama wins championships with the majority of starters from Alabama. Same for Ohio State. Same for LSU. Same for Clemson. Same for USC.

Oregon has few Oregon starters....... and loses the big games.....always the pretender....never the champion

More made-up shit from AtlantaGriz. Alabama has 7 projected starters out of 22 on their 2016 two-deep. And that's out of a state of 5.2 million people. Last I checked they still have to field 11 on offense and 11 on defense. Every one of the schools you mentioned are in or very near HEAVILY populated areas. Think that might make just a TAD bit of difference?

Probably not....doesn't fit your narrative.

ZZZZZZ. I have included the Alabama depth chart for 2016, in which 10 starters of 22 are from the state of Alabama. You can check it out for yourself. This totally supports my contention that Montana was best when we had 8-10 starters from Montana. Nice try AZ, but no cigar!

http://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/depth-chart/alabama/89923

 

[Paytonlives]

Carry on....

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Sorry 420 but your GIF isn't even as funny as the friggin' picture in the beginning of the thread. OMG that is hilarious....What is that? A bunch of frat guys chasing a rejected pledge?

 

[grizfanfb]

It seems to me that this is an argument that is completely skewed based on your point of view. If you want more Montana kids on the team you can say that and "not be wrong". If you feel that we have enough talented Montana kids on the team to beat the State Ag then you are "not wrong". I feel both ways about this. I honestly feel that Hauck gave too many schollies to Montana kids that were not quite Griz caliber players just to keep them from State Ag. I truly believe that if Hauck would have recruited out of state a little harder (like Glenn who actually won the National Championship) we would have had greater depth and not fallen apart in the second half of the National Championship games. I am sure that I am a complete moron for feeling this way and apologize in advance to AG1. Who for the record is ATL Griz not Alpha Griz because they are 2 completely different people! Right?!

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

I think its silly to compare how many in-state players we have with other schools. Every program has different geographic and demographic situations. North Dakota is not a football state. NDSU is not going to have many players from there when they are on the border of the 22nd largest state in terms of population with only one FBS or FCS football program. Programs like NAU and Poly are always going to have more in-state kids than us...

Over the years and having many different head coaches with different philosophies and personnel preferences, the program has always put some emphasis on recruiting Montana players and have largely stayed with Washington, Oregon, and California. Arizona is maybe more recent, but I don't think we've strayed far from that.

Also, I don't remember a lot of HC's loading up on MT players on their first recruiting class. They have to built that talent base that can contribute immediately and that is done through transfers and probably more heavy on out of state kids.

We've had an awful lot of success with Montana kids. Just look at who we have in the NFL right now. We have the advantage of getting some very good talent that flies under the radar, but that process takes a little bit of time. It takes developing those relationships in the state and getting kids to your camp to evaluate them.

Stitt and his staff (who now has a very rich Montana legacy mix to it) seems to be doing what many other of our HC's have and so far is recruiting about as well as you can expect, maybe better.

 

[Paytonlives]

Nice post..

 

[AZGrizFan]

I get that having Montana kids on the team is important but... some of you are way too obsessed with whether or not we have Montana kids on the team.

Without stud Montana kids to set the team atmosphere, we are just another team. Alabama wins championships with the majority of starters from Alabama. Same for Ohio State. Same for LSU. Same for Clemson. Same for USC.

Oregon has few Oregon starters....... and loses the big games.....always the pretender....never the champion

More made-up shit from AtlantaGriz. Alabama has 7 projected starters out of 22 on their 2016 two-deep. And that's out of a state of 5.2 million people. Last I checked they still have to field 11 on offense and 11 on defense. Every one of the schools you mentioned are in or very near HEAVILY populated areas. Think that might make just a TAD bit of difference?

Probably not....doesn't fit your narrative.

ZZZZZZ. I have included the Alabama depth chart for 2016, in which 10 starters of 22 are from the state of Alabama. You can check it out for yourself. This totally supports my contention that Montana was best when we had 8-10 starters from Montana. Nice try AZ, but no cigar!

http://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/depth-chart/alabama/89923

I did check it out. That's the exact one I used. And I missed one, so that makes 8. 8 of 22. Nowhere NEAR a majority. Even YOUR number of 10 isn't a majority, which you stated in the post you quoted.

 

[dupuyer griz]

Christ on a crutch, some people have way too much time on their hands. I don't really care if we show up to camp with 50 receivers or where they are from. Just win, some of my favorite players showed up as walk ins and worked their ass off. If Stitt has shown us much, it's that you will show up and you will work or you will not be a Griz. I know it's the off season, but can we calm down a little bit? I would be willing to bet that we will have a major Mintana contributor in the next couple years that was nothing more than an "also signed." So many of these "gets" are going to wash out that it doesn't even matter. Reserve judgement on classes until the kids are juniors and contributing, then we'll actually know how the staff did.


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[AZGrizFan]

Christ on a crutch, some people have way too much time on their hands. I don't really care if we show up to camp with 50 receivers or where they are from. Just win, some of my favorite players showed up as walk ins and worked their ass off. If Stitt has shown us much, it's that you will show up and you will work or you will not be a Griz. I know it's the off season, but can we calm down a little bit? I would be willing to bet that we will have a major Mintana contributor in the next couple years that was nothing more than an "also signed." So many of these "gets" are going to wash out that it doesn't even matter. Reserve judgement on classes until the kids are juniors and contributing, then we'll actually know how the staff did.


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Growler prefers to reserve judgment until they've made it in the NFL.

 

[Copper Griz]

Christ on a crutch, some people have way too much time on their hands. I don't really care if we show up to camp with 50 receivers or where they are from. Just win, some of my favorite players showed up as walk ins and worked their ass off. If Stitt has shown us much, it's that you will show up and you will work or you will not be a Griz. I know it's the off season, but can we calm down a little bit? I would be willing to bet that we will have a major Mintana contributor in the next couple years that was nothing more than an "also signed." So many of these "gets" are going to wash out that it doesn't even matter. Reserve judgement on classes until the kids are juniors and contributing, then we'll actually know how the staff did.


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This post is way to sensible for eGriz! Kids are just that - kids. Immature and confused in many cases. Some were coddled prior to arriving and think the world owes them a rolled out red carpet. Others will work their ass off and committ/perform beyond expectations. Recruiting is a crap shoot and all schools deal with the same issues. Kissing the ass of the coaches and being a stalker does not make you Nostradomus. Stop with the predictions and please stop with the brown nosing nonsense about knowing coaches and getting inside information. I can tell you for certain (100%) that coaches cannot stand cling-on's. They tolerate big donors because they have to. They just want to do their job and win. Some creeper delusional fans are just a damn distraction. You know who you are! Oh wait - apparently you don't because you keep reminding people that you are insider. Embarrassing.

 

[Richard Cranium]

All a delusional cat fan has to do is count the number of Griz players from Montana that have made an NFL roster the past 25 years versus a cat player from Montana! It's not even close like 15-3, and 3 of the Griz players even made a Pro Bowl squad. The cat fans are absolute idiots to think that they have ever been close to outrecruiting the Griz the past 25 years in the state of Montana. Make no doubt the Montana players know the same numbers I speak of and it reflects on which Montana players we get every year.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

It seems to me that this is an argument that is completely skewed based on your point of view. If you want more Montana kids on the team you can say that and "not be wrong". If you feel that we have enough talented Montana kids on the team to beat the State Ag then you are "not wrong". I feel both ways about this. I honestly feel that Hauck gave too many schollies to Montana kids that were not quite Griz caliber players just to keep them from State Ag. I truly believe that if Hauck would have recruited out of state a little harder (like Glenn who actually won the National Championship) we would have had greater depth and not fallen apart in the second half of the National Championship games. I am sure that I am a complete moron for feeling this way and apologize in advance to AG1. Who for the record is ATL Griz not Alpha Griz because they are 2 completely different people! Right?!

Classic copycat killer

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[Atlanta Griz1]

Without stud Montana kids to set the team atmosphere, we are just another team. Alabama wins championships with the majority of starters from Alabama. Same for Ohio State. Same for LSU. Same for Clemson. Same for USC.

Oregon has few Oregon starters....... and loses the big games.....always the pretender....never the champion

More made-up shit from AtlantaGriz. Alabama has 7 projected starters out of 22 on their 2016 two-deep. And that's out of a state of 5.2 million people. Last I checked they still have to field 11 on offense and 11 on defense. Every one of the schools you mentioned are in or very near HEAVILY populated areas. Think that might make just a TAD bit of difference?

Probably not....doesn't fit your narrative.

ZZZZZZ. I have included the Alabama depth chart for 2016, in which 10 starters of 22 are from the state of Alabama. You can check it out for yourself. This totally supports my contention that Montana was best when we had 8-10 starters from Montana. Nice try AZ, but no cigar!

http://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/depth-chart/alabama/89923

I did check it out. That's the exact one I used. And I missed one, so that makes 8. 8 of 22. Nowhere NEAR a majority. Even YOUR number of 10 isn't a majority, which you stated in the post you quoted.

Well, then either you can't read, or did not go far enough to know that one of the offensive linemen was declared academically ineligible, and is replaced by an Alabama kid. That's make 10, bot 8, as you incorrectly say.

More importantly than a pissing contest nit-picking the numbers, when not try to understand my point, whick is supported 100% by both Alabama and Ohio State? You are just like Playa Rape, carefully selecting stats to try to prove your point. Only pedestrian fans do that. Try to keep up.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Christ on a crutch, some people have way too much time on their hands. I don't really care if we show up to camp with 50 receivers or where they are from. Just win, some of my favorite players showed up as walk ins and worked their ass off. If Stitt has shown us much, it's that you will show up and you will work or you will not be a Griz. I know it's the off season, but can we calm down a little bit? I would be willing to bet that we will have a major Mintana contributor in the next couple years that was nothing more than an "also signed." So many of these "gets" are going to wash out that it doesn't even matter. Reserve judgement on classes until the kids are juniors and contributing, then we'll actually know how the staff did.


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This post is way to sensible for eGriz! Kids are just that - kids. Immature and confused in many cases. Some were coddled prior to arriving and think the world owes them a rolled out red carpet. Others will work their ass off and committ/perform beyond expectations. Recruiting is a crap shoot and all schools deal with the same issues. Kissing the ass of the coaches and being a stalker does not make you Nostradomus. Stop with the predictions and please stop with the brown nosing nonsense about knowing coaches and getting inside information. I can tell you for certain (100%) that coaches cannot stand cling-on's. They tolerate big donors because they have to. They just want to do their job and win. Some creeper delusional fans are just a damn distraction. You know who you are! Oh wait - apparently you don't because you keep reminding people that you are insider. Embarrassing.

"They tolerate big donors because they have to." Reference one Jack

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

I think its silly to compare how many in-state players we have with other schools. Every program has different geographic and demographic situations. North Dakota is not a football state. NDSU is not going to have many players from there when they are on the border of the 22nd largest state in terms of population with only one FBS or FCS football program. Programs like NAU and Poly are always going to have more in-state kids than us...

Over the years and having many different head coaches with different philosophies and personnel preferences, the program has always put some emphasis on recruiting Montana players and have largely stayed with Washington, Oregon, and California. Arizona is maybe more recent, but I don't think we've strayed far from that.

Also, I don't remember a lot of HC's loading up on MT players on their first recruiting class. They have to built that talent base that can contribute immediately and that is done through transfers and probably more heavy on out of state kids.

We've had an awful lot of success with Montana kids. Just look at who we have in the NFL right now. We have the advantage of getting some very good talent that flies under the radar, but that process takes a little bit of time. It takes developing those relationships in the state and getting kids to your camp to evaluate them.

Stitt and his staff (who now has a very rich Montana legacy mix to it) seems to be doing what many other of our HC's have and so far is recruiting about as well as you can expect, maybe better.

Fair & balanced post. I agree with most of it. Remember, I am totally in agreement that we dominated the Cats for 20 years with in-state recruiting. But, I believe that they beat us the past 4-5 years. Just my opinion, but it wads-up lots of panties on this site.