UM vs msu instate recruits... Here we go again

[Raider]

That is EXACTLY the type of response I expected. You came up with 4 players (kind of) to support this argument. You have got to be kidding me!

Brekke: Switched his commitment from UM to MSU amongst family concerns and rumors that the Griz would be banned for post season while he was here. Fact. He also hasn’t done much while at MSU and has done NOTHING against the Griz. Fact.

Roderick: Nevada transfer you reference. Did NOTHING while at MSU, NOTHING. You bringing up his name hurts your argument. You also have none of the facts related to his decision, but I’ll leave that alone.

Bignell: Has been a Bobcat since he was about 7 years old. Great player.

Daum: Butte kid you reference. I’ll leave this one alone out of personal respect, but Stitt didn’t “run him off”. You are really, really reaching on this one.

And again, please explain why the Griz continue to dominate the Cats despite losing the in state recruiting battle and their “swagger”. You make zero sense with this.

I’ll give you credit for trying to come up with a couple of names, despite making a HUGE reach with this post. You too have some decent football insight, but then you bury yourself with this type of drivel, and then just dig your heels in despite being dead wrong.

Keep spinning my man.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

That is EXACTLY the type of response I expected. You came up with 4 players (kind of) to support this argument. You have got to be kidding me!

Brekke: Switched his commitment from UM to MSU amongst family concerns and rumors that the Griz would be banned for post season while he was here. Fact. He also hasn’t done much while at MSU and has done NOTHING against the Griz. Fact.

Roderick: Nevada transfer you reference. Did NOTHING while at MSU, NOTHING. You bringing up his name hurts your argument. You also have none of the facts related to his decision, but I’ll leave that alone.

Bignell: Has been a Bobcat since he was about 7 years old. Great player.

Daum: Butte kid you reference. I’ll leave this one alone out of personal respect, but Stitt didn’t “run him off”. You are really, really reaching on this one.

And again, please explain why the Griz continue to dominate the Cats despite losing the in state recruiting battle and their “swagger”. You make zero sense with this.

I’ll give you credit for trying to come up with a couple of names, despite making a HUGE reach with this post. You too have some decent football insight, but then you bury yourself with this type of drivel, and then just dig your heels in despite being dead wrong.

Keep spinning my man.

Look dude, you are one spinning the fact that MSU did not sign a Gatorade player the entire time Hauck was head coach, yet they got two of them afterwards. And YES, we badly wanted both of them. You keep making excuses about why the Cats got kids we wanted, but that is lame-assesd. The facts are that they got them, and we didn't. It doesn't matter as to the reason why. Stop accusing me of spinning, when I just exposed your nice little spin job. And, like I figured, you would tell us that the kids turned out to be busts, which is TOTALLY irrelevant to the recruiting discussion. We wanted them, and they would have been busts here too!

And, for the 5th or 6th time, I don't need to provide more that 3-4 players, because it is all about getting the BEST Montana kids, not the most. Bottom line is, we used to get the kids we wanted, and the Cats got the leftovers. It hasn't been that way now since Hauck/Paulsen left. I hope that it returns, but I 100% stick by my contention, and two current Griz position coaches agree with me!

 

[get'em_griz]

I get that having Montana kids on the team is important but... some of you are way too obsessed with whether or not we have Montana kids on the team.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Raider, you posted "And again, please explain why the Griz continue to dominate the Cats despite losing the in state recruiting battle and their “swagger”. You make zero sense with this."

Let me dumb it down for ya. Jeeeez, stop hanging around these hacks, it is rubbing off on your logic.

There is no correlation about whether we dominate the Cats on the field, and whether they have been signing the better Montana kids than us the past few years. As you know, Montana kids have always made up a minority of the total starting units for both teams, but it takes great out-of-state players to make a great tram. Obviously we have many more than do the Cats. At the pinnacle of our success, we had about 8-9 starters out of 22 from Montana. Last season, we had 3. During the glory years, Montana teams had a swagger that other teams feared. Most opposing teams knew they were beat during warm-ups. They feared coming into Washington/Griz. And that swagger came directly from the great Montana kids who lived-and-died by the great tradition of playing for the Griz. The out-of-state kids bought into the tradition, but it was the Colt Andersons, the Reynolds, the Shillingers, the Haucks, the Biermans, the Hilliards, the Harris, et. al. that set the aura of invincibility surrounding our program.

How many games were nip-n-tuck late into the 4th quarter..... yet we ALWAYS found a way to win them. It was a will-to-never-lose that prevailed in those days, and it it not there today. You can deny it all you want, but it has been lost in recent years. And, I maintain that the REASON it has been lost is because we no longer have a corp of Montana kids to drive the Mercedes, like we used to do. Let's face facts, Montana kids grew up with Grizzly football dominance, they lived it, and dreamed of someday being a part of it to carry on the tradition. Out-of-state players do not share that commitment. Most sign with the program that will give them the best chance to be an NFL player. It is more about them, than the program.

I hope that this explanation will provide my reasons for feeling the way I do. By the way, I play golf with a couple of Griz insiders, and we have discussed this very topic at length. They agree with me, for the record.

 

[VimSince03]

Golf...the great game of insider information.

For the record, the major problem with MSU hasn't been with the Montana kids (we have done just fine over the years with contributions from them). It has been the out-of-state recruits not living up to expectations (leaving the team, not making grades, not even making it to campus, bad transfers, etc.). Choate needs to improve our out-of-state recruiting first and foremost.

 

[brewskis]

Whole lot of words without a lot of meaning.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Golf...the great game of insider information.

For the record, the major problem with MSU hasn't been with the Montana kids (we have done just fine over the years with contributions from them). It has been the out-of-state recruits not living up to expectations (leaving the team, not making grades, not even making it to campus, bad transfers, etc.). Choate needs to improve our out-of-state recruiting first and foremost.

I have made more significant business deals on the golf course, than in any other forum. Individuals relax and drop down their guard on the golf course.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Whole lot of words without a lot of meaning.

Pedestrian fans never get it........

 

[firmgriz]

Raider, you posted "And again, please explain why the Griz continue to dominate the Cats despite losing the in state recruiting battle and their “swagger”. You make zero sense with this."

Let me dumb it down for ya. Jeeeez, stop hanging around these hacks, it is rubbing off on your logic.

There is no correlation about whether we dominate the Cats on the field, and whether they have been signing the better Montana kids than us the past few years. As you know, Montana kids have always made up a minority of the total starting units for both teams, but it takes great out-of-state players to make a great tram. Obviously we have many more than do the Cats. At the pinnacle of our success, we had about 8-9 starters out of 22 from Montana. Last season, we had 3. During the glory years, Montana teams had a swagger that other teams feared. Most opposing teams knew they were beat during warm-ups. They feared coming into Washington/Griz. And that swagger came directly from the great Montana kids who lived-and-died by the great tradition of playing for the Griz. The out-of-state kids bought into the tradition, but it was the Colt Andersons, the Reynolds, the Shillingers, the Haucks, the Biermans, the Hilliards, the Harris, et. al. that set the aura of invincibility surrounding our program.

How many games were nip-n-tuck late into the 4th quarter..... yet we ALWAYS found a way to win them. It was a will-to-never-lose that prevailed in those days, and it it not there today. You can deny it all you want, but it has been lost in recent years. And, I maintain that the REASON it has been lost is because we no longer have a corp of Montana kids to drive the Mercedes, like we used to do. Let's face facts, Montana kids grew up with Grizzly football dominance, they lived it, and dreamed of someday being a part of it to carry on the tradition. Out-of-state players do not share that commitment. Most sign with the program that will give them the best chance to be an NFL player. It is more about them, than the program.

I hope that this explanation will provide my reasons for feeling the way I do. By the way, I play golf with a couple of Griz insiders, and we have discussed this very topic at length. They agree with me, for the record.

I've got to admit, I agree with AG1, at least with what he said above regarding Griz swagger and the in-state players providing the example of what Montana Griz swagger is all about. It is absolutely vital and a key to Griz dominance.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

I get that having Montana kids on the team is important but... some of you are way too obsessed with whether or not we have Montana kids on the team.

Without stud Montana kids to set the team atmosphere, we are just another team. Alabama wins championships with the majority of starters from Alabama. Same for Ohio State. Same for LSU. Same for Clemson. Same for USC.

Oregon has few Oregon starters....... and loses the big games.....always the pretender....never the champion

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Raider, you posted "And again, please explain why the Griz continue to dominate the Cats despite losing the in state recruiting battle and their “swagger”. You make zero sense with this."

Let me dumb it down for ya. Jeeeez, stop hanging around these hacks, it is rubbing off on your logic.

There is no correlation about whether we dominate the Cats on the field, and whether they have been signing the better Montana kids than us the past few years. As you know, Montana kids have always made up a minority of the total starting units for both teams, but it takes great out-of-state players to make a great tram. Obviously we have many more than do the Cats. At the pinnacle of our success, we had about 8-9 starters out of 22 from Montana. Last season, we had 3. During the glory years, Montana teams had a swagger that other teams feared. Most opposing teams knew they were beat during warm-ups. They feared coming into Washington/Griz. And that swagger came directly from the great Montana kids who lived-and-died by the great tradition of playing for the Griz. The out-of-state kids bought into the tradition, but it was the Colt Andersons, the Reynolds, the Shillingers, the Haucks, the Biermans, the Hilliards, the Harris, et. al. that set the aura of invincibility surrounding our program.

How many games were nip-n-tuck late into the 4th quarter..... yet we ALWAYS found a way to win them. It was a will-to-never-lose that prevailed in those days, and it it not there today. You can deny it all you want, but it has been lost in recent years. And, I maintain that the REASON it has been lost is because we no longer have a corp of Montana kids to drive the Mercedes, like we used to do. Let's face facts, Montana kids grew up with Grizzly football dominance, they lived it, and dreamed of someday being a part of it to carry on the tradition. Out-of-state players do not share that commitment. Most sign with the program that will give them the best chance to be an NFL player. It is more about them, than the program.

I hope that this explanation will provide my reasons for feeling the way I do. By the way, I play golf with a couple of Griz insiders, and we have discussed this very topic at length. They agree with me, for the record.

I've got to admit, I agree with AG1, at least with what he said above regarding Griz swagger and the in-state players providing the example of what Montana Griz swagger is all about. It is absolutely vital and a key to Griz dominance.

Somebody gets it....

Does anyone really think that a kid from Oakland, CA or Seattle lives and dies Grizzly football like a kid from Helena, or Great Falls, or Billings, or Big Timber?

 

[get'em_griz]

Raider, you posted "And again, please explain why the Griz continue to dominate the Cats despite losing the in state recruiting battle and their “swagger”. You make zero sense with this."

Let me dumb it down for ya. Jeeeez, stop hanging around these hacks, it is rubbing off on your logic.

There is no correlation about whether we dominate the Cats on the field, and whether they have been signing the better Montana kids than us the past few years. As you know, Montana kids have always made up a minority of the total starting units for both teams, but it takes great out-of-state players to make a great tram. Obviously we have many more than do the Cats. At the pinnacle of our success, we had about 8-9 starters out of 22 from Montana. Last season, we had 3. During the glory years, Montana teams had a swagger that other teams feared. Most opposing teams knew they were beat during warm-ups. They feared coming into Washington/Griz. And that swagger came directly from the great Montana kids who lived-and-died by the great tradition of playing for the Griz. The out-of-state kids bought into the tradition, but it was the Colt Andersons, the Reynolds, the Shillingers, the Haucks, the Biermans, the Hilliards, the Harris, et. al. that set the aura of invincibility surrounding our program.

How many games were nip-n-tuck late into the 4th quarter..... yet we ALWAYS found a way to win them. It was a will-to-never-lose that prevailed in those days, and it it not there today. You can deny it all you want, but it has been lost in recent years. And, I maintain that the REASON it has been lost is because we no longer have a corp of Montana kids to drive the Mercedes, like we used to do. Let's face facts, Montana kids grew up with Grizzly football dominance, they lived it, and dreamed of someday being a part of it to carry on the tradition. Out-of-state players do not share that commitment. Most sign with the program that will give them the best chance to be an NFL player. It is more about them, than the program.

I hope that this explanation will provide my reasons for feeling the way I do. By the way, I play golf with a couple of Griz insiders, and we have discussed this very topic at length. They agree with me, for the record.

I've got to admit, I agree with AG1, at least with what he said above regarding Griz swagger and the in-state players providing the example of what Montana Griz swagger is all about. It is absolutely vital and a key to Griz dominance.

I believe we are starting to see that swagger return to the Griz. For the last few years going back to when Pflu was here, there was so much inconsistency with this program's identity due to the NCAA problems and coaching carousel that the swagger seemed to be missing. Last year with Stitt and his staff, I saw some of that swagger return, especially when things were clicking. I think this year we'll see an even more confident team with a second year under the belt and the entire coaching staff in place.

 

[Raider]

Dilly,

Can you please explain to me what a "Griz Insider" is? Amazing how you've had "insiders" through multiple coaching staffs. And who, pray tell, are the two current position coaches that agree with you?

 

[grizindabox]

I am still amazed that coaches don't recruit for quality.....Stitt must be in the "strength in numbers" camp I guess....figures they should win if they could play 14 on the field at one time....

 

[Raider]

I am still amazed that coaches don't recruit for quality.....Stitt must be in the "strength in numbers" camp I guess....figures they should win if they could play 14 on the field at one time....

...but only if 13 are from Montana.

..........hey, I was just thinking that maybe having 14 guys on the field could stop Brekke from running all over us again............the same way Cody Kirk did if you remember.............

 

[brewskis]

All this fuss over the prototypical, small town Montana safety recruit that we all love to see. Jesus Christ.

Congratulations to Michael. With Shann's stamp of approval and guidance as a coach I'm sure he's going to end up being a VERY good player for us, despite what some are saying here.

 

[RobGriz]

Raider, you posted "And again, please explain why the Griz continue to dominate the Cats despite losing the in state recruiting battle and their “swagger”. You make zero sense with this."

Let me dumb it down for ya. Jeeeez, stop hanging around these hacks, it is rubbing off on your logic.

There is no correlation about whether we dominate the Cats on the field, and whether they have been signing the better Montana kids than us the past few years. As you know, Montana kids have always made up a minority of the total starting units for both teams, but it takes great out-of-state players to make a great tram. Obviously we have many more than do the Cats. At the pinnacle of our success, we had about 8-9 starters out of 22 from Montana. Last season, we had 3. During the glory years, Montana teams had a swagger that other teams feared. Most opposing teams knew they were beat during warm-ups. They feared coming into Washington/Griz. And that swagger came directly from the great Montana kids who lived-and-died by the great tradition of playing for the Griz. The out-of-state kids bought into the tradition, but it was the Colt Andersons, the Reynolds, the Shillingers, the Haucks, the Biermans, the Hilliards, the Harris, et. al. that set the aura of invincibility surrounding our program.

How many games were nip-n-tuck late into the 4th quarter..... yet we ALWAYS found a way to win them. It was a will-to-never-lose that prevailed in those days, and it it not there today. You can deny it all you want, but it has been lost in recent years. And, I maintain that the REASON it has been lost is because we no longer have a corp of Montana kids to drive the Mercedes, like we used to do. Let's face facts, Montana kids grew up with Grizzly football dominance, they lived it, and dreamed of someday being a part of it to carry on the tradition. Out-of-state players do not share that commitment. Most sign with the program that will give them the best chance to be an NFL player. It is more about them, than the program.

I hope that this explanation will provide my reasons for feeling the way I do. By the way, I play golf with a couple of Griz insiders, and we have discussed this very topic at length. They agree with me, for the record.

I've got to admit, I agree with AG1, at least with what he said above regarding Griz swagger and the in-state players providing the example of what Montana Griz swagger is all about. It is absolutely vital and a key to Griz dominance.

Definately something to think on. Were the majority of NDSU's starters the past 5 years ND kids?

 

[grizindabox]

It is also crazy to think that a kid might go somewhere for reasons other than just football....I also wonder.....Dilly wants 8 of the top 10 Montana kids every year....but isn't that a quantity based statement....would he be upset if the Griz got the top 3....the quality....but MooU got the other 7.....the quantity.....

 

[Raider]

Raider, you posted "And again, please explain why the Griz continue to dominate the Cats despite losing the in state recruiting battle and their “swagger”. You make zero sense with this."

Let me dumb it down for ya. Jeeeez, stop hanging around these hacks, it is rubbing off on your logic.

There is no correlation about whether we dominate the Cats on the field, and whether they have been signing the better Montana kids than us the past few years. As you know, Montana kids have always made up a minority of the total starting units for both teams, but it takes great out-of-state players to make a great tram. Obviously we have many more than do the Cats. At the pinnacle of our success, we had about 8-9 starters out of 22 from Montana. Last season, we had 3. During the glory years, Montana teams had a swagger that other teams feared. Most opposing teams knew they were beat during warm-ups. They feared coming into Washington/Griz. And that swagger came directly from the great Montana kids who lived-and-died by the great tradition of playing for the Griz. The out-of-state kids bought into the tradition, but it was the Colt Andersons, the Reynolds, the Shillingers, the Haucks, the Biermans, the Hilliards, the Harris, et. al. that set the aura of invincibility surrounding our program.

How many games were nip-n-tuck late into the 4th quarter..... yet we ALWAYS found a way to win them. It was a will-to-never-lose that prevailed in those days, and it it not there today. You can deny it all you want, but it has been lost in recent years. And, I maintain that the REASON it has been lost is because we no longer have a corp of Montana kids to drive the Mercedes, like we used to do. Let's face facts, Montana kids grew up with Grizzly football dominance, they lived it, and dreamed of someday being a part of it to carry on the tradition. Out-of-state players do not share that commitment. Most sign with the program that will give them the best chance to be an NFL player. It is more about them, than the program.

I hope that this explanation will provide my reasons for feeling the way I do. By the way, I play golf with a couple of Griz insiders, and we have discussed this very topic at length. They agree with me, for the record.

I've got to admit, I agree with AG1, at least with what he said above regarding Griz swagger and the in-state players providing the example of what Montana Griz swagger is all about. It is absolutely vital and a key to Griz dominance.

Definately something to think on. Were the majority of NDSU's starters the past 5 years ND kids?

NDSU current has 84 kids listed on the Spring roster sheet (income Freshman, etc.) and 17 are from the State of North Dakota. Word is they are losing the in state recruiting battle to UND.

 

[grizcountry420]

Raider, you posted "And again, please explain why the Griz continue to dominate the Cats despite losing the in state recruiting battle and their “swagger”. You make zero sense with this."

Let me dumb it down for ya. Jeeeez, stop hanging around these hacks, it is rubbing off on your logic.

There is no correlation about whether we dominate the Cats on the field, and whether they have been signing the better Montana kids than us the past few years. As you know, Montana kids have always made up a minority of the total starting units for both teams, but it takes great out-of-state players to make a great tram. Obviously we have many more than do the Cats. At the pinnacle of our success, we had about 8-9 starters out of 22 from Montana. Last season, we had 3. During the glory years, Montana teams had a swagger that other teams feared. Most opposing teams knew they were beat during warm-ups. They feared coming into Washington/Griz. And that swagger came directly from the great Montana kids who lived-and-died by the great tradition of playing for the Griz. The out-of-state kids bought into the tradition, but it was the Colt Andersons, the Reynolds, the Shillingers, the Haucks, the Biermans, the Hilliards, the Harris, et. al. that set the aura of invincibility surrounding our program.

How many games were nip-n-tuck late into the 4th quarter..... yet we ALWAYS found a way to win them. It was a will-to-never-lose that prevailed in those days, and it it not there today. You can deny it all you want, but it has been lost in recent years. And, I maintain that the REASON it has been lost is because we no longer have a corp of Montana kids to drive the Mercedes, like we used to do. Let's face facts, Montana kids grew up with Grizzly football dominance, they lived it, and dreamed of someday being a part of it to carry on the tradition. Out-of-state players do not share that commitment. Most sign with the program that will give them the best chance to be an NFL player. It is more about them, than the program.

I hope that this explanation will provide my reasons for feeling the way I do. By the way, I play golf with a couple of Griz insiders, and we have discussed this very topic at length. They agree with me, for the record.

I've got to admit, I agree with AG1, at least with what he said above regarding Griz swagger and the in-state players providing the example of what Montana Griz swagger is all about. It is absolutely vital and a key to Griz dominance.

Definately something to think on. Were the majority of NDSU's starters the past 5 years ND kids?

NDSU current has 84 kids listed on the Spring roster sheet (income Freshman, etc.) and 17 are from the State of North Dakota. Word is they are losing the in state recruiting battle to UND.

:lol: