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UM taking Lider to Wyoming

PlayerRep

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I don't get it. From reading the paper, watching a scrimmage and observing several practices, Greenberg has been the best kicker. His FG's and extra points have been good, and his kickoffs have been fine.

See the linked article. http://ravallirepublic.com/sports/college/montana/football/article_050df724-4e58-5f68-91bc-8f7fee1cd704.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“We’ll go with Chris it looks like because he’s been on the field,” Delaney said. “Unless something drastic were to happen in the next week."

“We’ll try to give Daniel some opportunities that are meaningful and start to make a decision there. Harrison came out of spring the No. 1 guy and he’s still battling like heck. He was very good yesterday and today.”

"On Friday morning all three place-kickers hit from 35 yards. Then Lider went into a funk, missing wide left from 40 yards and wide right from 44. Greenberg was the only one to hit from all three distances (35, 40 and 44)."

From the article about Thursday's practice:

"Early in practice Lider missed from 42 yards with a swirling wind. Sullivan and Harrison Greenberg hit from that distance and the former showed off his superior leg strength."

"When the kickers took the field for a second time, all three hit from 38 yards with Sullivan showing the most lift. They moved back to 40 where Lider had his kick blocked, Sullivan was wide left and Greenberg knocked it through off the upright. Later Lider, Sullivan and Greenberg all hit from 43 yards."

http://ravallirepublic.com/sports/college/montana/football/article_671cff39-af91-5bae-a409-c95091357c40.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

At the Saturday scrimmage, Greenberg made all of his kicks. Lider missed one from 20.

I've generally supportive of coaches, and have been supportive of these coaches, but, from where I sit (which is far away admittedly), I don't get this decision.
 
I am sure you are not the only one questioning this decision. Maybe Mick wants to make 4th down decisions easier, by going for it every time . That is the only reason I can think of. I wish I was joking.
 
Given all the reports it sounds like none of them are that consistent. Maybe MD went to the hat with three names?
 
Ursa Major said:
Given all the reports it sounds like none of them are that consistent. Maybe MD went to the hat with three names?

From Delaney's quotes, it looks like UM went with the only veteran. Doesn't matter to me. Just seemed odd based on the last 2 newspaper articles, as well as some prior articles and the scrimmage. Assume the game will NOT be won or lost on a FG, but, on the other hand, who knows.
 
It's because Lider is better at the deep shots. PATS... Idk WTF is going on there. MD is obliviously expecting to be stopped deep. Lider has a great leg. But I thought we snagged a drop down kicker... ??
 
PlayerRep said:
Ursa Major said:
Given all the reports it sounds like none of them are that consistent. Maybe MD went to the hat with three names?

From Delaney's quotes, it looks like UM went with the only veteran. Doesn't matter to me. Just seemed odd based on the last 2 newspaper articles, as well as some prior articles and the scrimmage. Assume the game will be won or lost on a FG, but, on the other hand, who knows.

Great question, PR! This is a mystery.
 
NLGrizFan said:
It's because Lider is better at the deep shots. PATS... Idk WTF is going on there. MD is obliviously expecting to be stopped deep. Lider has a great leg. But I thought we snagged a drop down kicker... ??

We did. Daniel Sullivan came here from Wyoming. And through the scrimmages, it looked as if Sullivan was the one getting most of the props for his deep kicks. I realize all the kickers have been inconsistent, but from reports it seems as if Lider was the kicker struggling the most out of the three. Yes, the Wyoming game likely won't come down to a field goal, but there will definitely be games that will. And missing PAT's will cost us games as well. Lider has proven absolutely nothing in my opinion. I concede that the coaches know more than us, but from the outside, this is one of those classic Delaney WTF decisions. Hopefully, this won't cost us games, but I am extremely skeptical.
 
Well, this is a bit disturbing because Lider did not react well last year when he started missing and had to be replaced, now he's not kicking that great in practice situations before the season even starts...we'll see how it plays out but he has to be on a very short leash if things start going south.
 
I've gotta admit this is head scratcher :shock: For some reason I sense a bit of indecision and panic setting in. Anybody know how line protection is during a kick? Doesn't Lider have a fairly flat kick which is easier to block? Not so sure about this one.
 
Perhaps the coaches are not comfortable taking Sullivan back to his former school. That would be the only logical explanation to me. The one thing that is certain is that we have been spoiled with tremendous kickers over the last 20 years.
 
nzone said:
I've gotta admit this is head scratcher :shock: For some reason I sense a bit of indecision and panic setting in. Anybody know how line protection is during a kick? Doesn't Lider have a fairly flat kick which is easier to block? Not so sure about this one.


He frequently has low/flat kicks. Obvious to anyone sitting in the stands. Expect to see many blocked attempts if he remains the kicker.
 
I'm sitting on the shiter this morning and I honestly believe this is where coach d made his decision and then he flushed the toilet.. I could be wrong though.


:coffee:
 
It's simple PR, reverse psychology is all this is. Mike Delaney showed all of the kickers last year that he did not believe in any one of them so he is trying his last resort by showing them he now has confidence in them. And well since Delaney has the least confidence in Lider he is going with him first. :roll:

The Griz may want to prepare to start going for 2pt conversions as well as going for it on 4th down...
 
1Griz_Fan said:
It's simple PR, reverse psychology is all this is. Mike Delaney showed all of the kickers last year that he did not believe in any one of them so he is trying his last resort by showing them he now has confidence in them. And well since Delaney has the least confidence in Lider he is going with him first. :roll:

The Griz may want to prepare to start going for 2pt conversions as well as going for it on 4th down...


Not meaning to sound like an egg-head but there is a school of thought that says that going for the 2 point conversion makes as much statistical sense as kicking the convert in NCAA football. I believe the ball scrimmages from the 3, where as you are looking at a 20 yard chip for the kicker. I am sure someone on here has more insight but I wonder if there is anything to it. 50% success on the 2 vs 100% on the convert.
 
SaskGriz said:
1Griz_Fan said:
It's simple PR, reverse psychology is all this is. Mike Delaney showed all of the kickers last year that he did not believe in any one of them so he is trying his last resort by showing them he now has confidence in them. And well since Delaney has the least confidence in Lider he is going with him first. :roll:

The Griz may want to prepare to start going for 2pt conversions as well as going for it on 4th down...


Not meaning to sound like an egg-head but there is a school of thought that says that going for the 2 point conversion makes as much statistical sense as kicking the convert in NCAA football. I believe the ball scrimmages from the 3, where as you are looking at a 20 yard chip for the kicker. I am sure someone on here has more insight but I wonder if there is anything to it. 50% success on the 2 vs 100% on the convert.

And then the loud mouthed Canadian went on line and found out what was wrong with the idea. Using Game Theory you only have a 25% of gaining a benefit from going for 2 where as you have a 50% of gaining an advantage from just kicking the convert. Carry on and enjoy your Saturday.
 
1Griz_Fan said:
It's simple PR, reverse psychology is all this is. Mike Delaney showed all of the kickers last year that he did not believe in any one of them so he is trying his last resort by showing them he now has confidence in them. And well since Delaney has the least confidence in Lider he is going with him first. :roll:

The Griz may want to prepare to start going for 2pt conversions as well as going for it on 4th down...
Who is Mike Delaney; another relative of the HC?
 
SaskGriz said:
1Griz_Fan said:
It's simple PR, reverse psychology is all this is. Mike Delaney showed all of the kickers last year that he did not believe in any one of them so he is trying his last resort by showing them he now has confidence in them. And well since Delaney has the least confidence in Lider he is going with him first. :roll:

The Griz may want to prepare to start going for 2pt conversions as well as going for it on 4th down...


Not meaning to sound like an egg-head but there is a school of thought that says that going for the 2 point conversion makes as much statistical sense as kicking the convert in NCAA football. I believe the ball scrimmages from the 3, where as you are looking at a 20 yard chip for the kicker. I am sure someone on here has more insight but I wonder if there is anything to it. 50% success on the 2 vs 100% on the convert.

I remember when the Griz had a 100% chance on their XP's. Ahh those were the days.

Just for fun I looked up last years percentages between kicking the chip shot versus the 2. The Griz made 95% (59-62) of PATs while converting 33% (1-3) of their 2 pointers. Unfortunately, the three missed PATs where all Lider (11-14).

Also, the Griz made 55% (11-20) of their FGs last year compared to 60% (15/25) on 4th down conversions. Lider was 50% (1-2) on FGs.
 
kemajic said:
1Griz_Fan said:
It's simple PR, reverse psychology is all this is. Mike Delaney showed all of the kickers last year that he did not believe in any one of them so he is trying his last resort by showing them he now has confidence in them. And well since Delaney has the least confidence in Lider he is going with him first. :roll:

The Griz may want to prepare to start going for 2pt conversions as well as going for it on 4th down...
Who is Mike Delaney; another relative of the HC?

Oh my bad, I meant Mick. :thumb:
 

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