UM receives 4 votes for Top 25!

[BDizzle]

:twocents: I believe that Gonzaga is a mid-major still because they are a small private school that athletic wise focuses mostly on basketball. Just because your good doesn't automatically qualify you as a Major program. And just because you are bad doesn't make you a mid-major. I believe Mephis is not a mid-major because they are a huge school that is very competitive in most major sports, not just basketball. Memphis almost won the tournament last year. Memphis can recruit some of the top players from around the nation. Gonzaga recruits MOSTLY along the west coast. Hell Gonzaga is playing MSU-B to start off the season. :twocents:

 

[weberwildcat]

I think Lou has a valid point here. I know I think that a lot, but you guys seem overly eager to snipe at him even when he's not trying to inflame anything.

Given that C-USA is not a major conference, what is it?

I think the point Lou was trying to make was that the POLL GOT IT WRONG BY NOT INCLUDING C-USA. Maybe he was trying to make a point about major programs in mid-major conferences, I don't know. Whatever it was, I know he wasn't just thinking 'well, if the poll didn't include C-USA, it must not be a mid-major...'

At the very least, I don't think he has attempted in any way to "ruin his thread".

C-USA is not a mid-major think of C-USA as exactly how them and the Mtn Wst and WAC are in football.

They aren't BCS conferences but they are still I-A. Imagine if there was FCS basketball, taht is basically the mid-majors, with one excpetion being Sun Belt, the only FBS conference that is considered a mid-major.

 

[weberwildcat]

It's stupid that Gonzaga is rated number 1 on the mid major poll. Gonzaga has proven itself over the last ten years not to be a mid major. They are consistently ranked in the top 25 & often in the top ten of the AP & coaches poll. None of the coaches or talking heads refer to Gonzaga as a mid major program. Additionally the talent level of their players as well as the fact that their out of conference schedule is perenially in the top 5 every year removes them from the mid major label.

One great team doenst make a mid-major conf a non mid-major conference. Gonzaga isn't the only great bball school in a hoopty confernce.

 

[weberwildcat]

Can we end the debate with this:

The Mid-Major Poll is made up of teams from the following conferences: America East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, Colonial, Horizon, Independents, Ivy, Metro Atlantic, Mid-American, Mid-Eastern, Missouri Valley, Northeast, Ohio Valley, Patriot, Southern, Southland, Southwestern, Summit League, Sun Belt, West Coast.

yes a few of these conferences have or have had national title contending teams. Tehy can leave these conferences if they dont wanna be a mid-major.

The point of the poll is for us smaller conferneces to get some notice or recognition since most will never reach the AP poll.

 

[grizzle]

:twocents: I believe that Gonzaga is a mid-major still because they are a small private school that athletic wise focuses mostly on basketball. Just because your good doesn't automatically qualify you as a Major program. And just because you are bad doesn't make you a mid-major. I believe Mephis is not a mid-major because they are a huge school that is very competitive in most major sports, not just basketball. Memphis almost won the tournament last year. Memphis can recruit some of the top players from around the nation. Gonzaga recruits MOSTLY along the west coast. Hell Gonzaga is playing MSU-B to start off the season. :twocents:

If we use your logic then we would have to call Duke a mid major too. There are really 3 categories, hi-major, mid-major, and lo-major. Conferences with no chance of getting more than one team into the dance, i.e. the Big Sky, are lo-major. Conferences like the WCC or MWC who can get more than one bid are mid major.

 

[djollieballs]

Interesting conversation. I agree that both the WCC and C-USA are mid-major conferences. Each of those conferences are led by a single team that consistently trucks every other member of their conference year in and year out. The difference is that the Tigers (Memphis) are actually an elite team that would finish at or near the top of any major conference, where as the Zags would be mediocre at best if they were in a BCS conference (just check their tourney record).

The Zags are basically the Griz of D-1 BB:
Major conference recruiting advantage - Check
Crap conference teams that they breeze through - Check
First and second round play-off disappointments - Check

The conference that I do not agree with being a mid-major is The Valley. They send like 5 teams a year to the dance.

 

[djollieballs]

Word.

 

[Lou]

Interesting conversation. I agree that both the WCC and C-USA are mid-major conferences. Each of those conferences are led by a single team that consistently trucks every other member of their conference year in and year out. The difference is that the Tigers (Memphis) are actually an elite team that would finish at or near the top of any major conference, where as the Zags would be mediocre at best if they were in a BCS conference (just check their tourney record).

The Zags are basically the Griz of D-1 BB:
Major conference recruiting advantage - Check
Crap conference teams that they breeze through - Check
First and second round play-off disappointments - Check

The conference that I do not agree with being a mid-major is The Valley. They send like 5 teams a year to the dance.

Zags are 7-2 all-time against ACC teams, I see how you think they would be mediocre in that conference!

 

[BDizzle]

:twocents: I believe that Gonzaga is a mid-major still because they are a small private school that athletic wise focuses mostly on basketball. Just because your good doesn't automatically qualify you as a Major program. And just because you are bad doesn't make you a mid-major. I believe Mephis is not a mid-major because they are a huge school that is very competitive in most major sports, not just basketball. Memphis almost won the tournament last year. Memphis can recruit some of the top players from around the nation. Gonzaga recruits MOSTLY along the west coast. Hell Gonzaga is playing MSU-B to start off the season. :twocents:

If we use your logic then we would have to call Duke a mid major too. There are really 3 categories, hi-major, mid-major, and lo-major. Conferences with no chance of getting more than one team into the dance, i.e. the Big Sky, are lo-major. Conferences like the WCC or MWC who can get more than one bid are mid major.

Really? Duke is twice as big as Gonzaga. Duke is in one of the biggest conferences for basketball. Duke may not be good at football but they field a FBS football team. They have won countless National Championships in other sports besides basketball. Not to mention they have won a few national championships in basketball. Gonzaga has never won one. So how again are Gonzaga and Duke alike besides the fact they are private?

 

[djollieballs]

Interesting conversation. I agree that both the WCC and C-USA are mid-major conferences. Each of those conferences are led by a single team that consistently trucks every other member of their conference year in and year out. The difference is that the Tigers (Memphis) are actually an elite team that would finish at or near the top of any major conference, where as the Zags would be mediocre at best if they were in a BCS conference (just check their tourney record).

The Zags are basically the Griz of D-1 BB:
Major conference recruiting advantage - Check
Crap conference teams that they breeze through - Check
First and second round play-off disappointments - Check

The conference that I do not agree with being a mid-major is The Valley. They send like 5 teams a year to the dance.

Zags are 7-2 all-time against ACC teams, I see how you think they would be mediocre in that conference!

All time, who cares? If the Zags had to play ACC level competition game in and out they would get WORKED. The dogs get over prepared for their OCC because they have to spend very little time preparing for their conference games. Zaga's NCAA claim to fame is that they made it to the elite-8 ONCE, right? Memphis has made it to the E-8 the last 5 years in a corn row. That's an elite team right there.

Even the Griz would finish in the top half of the WCC and the Griz S-U-C-K.

 

[grizzle]

:twocents: I believe that Gonzaga is a mid-major still because they are a small private school that athletic wise focuses mostly on basketball. Just because your good doesn't automatically qualify you as a Major program. And just because you are bad doesn't make you a mid-major. I believe Mephis is not a mid-major because they are a huge school that is very competitive in most major sports, not just basketball. Memphis almost won the tournament last year. Memphis can recruit some of the top players from around the nation. Gonzaga recruits MOSTLY along the west coast. Hell Gonzaga is playing MSU-B to start off the season. :twocents:

If we use your logic then we would have to call Duke a mid major too. There are really 3 categories, hi-major, mid-major, and lo-major. Conferences with no chance of getting more than one team into the dance, i.e. the Big Sky, are lo-major. Conferences like the WCC or MWC who can get more than one bid are mid major.

Really? Duke is twice as big as Gonzaga. Duke is in one of the biggest conferences for basketball. Duke may not be good at football but they field a FBS football team. They have won countless National Championships in other sports besides basketball. Not to mention they have won a few national championships in basketball. Gonzaga has never won one. So how again are Gonzaga and Duke alike besides the fact they are private?

obviously bdizz that's would be my point. Duke is not a mid major but by your logic of Gonzaga being a mid major because they are a small private school that focuses on basketball, then we would have to say the same about Duke. But that is not the case as Duke is a high profile program and I believe Gonzaga is as well, although not on Duke's level. I was referring to your ridiculous statement you made in your first post.

 

[Swillbury]

The conference that I do not agree with being a mid-major is The Valley. They send like 5 teams a year to the dance.

Just for the past 2-3 years. They are still a mid-major, don't get it twisted

 

[Lou]

:twocents: I believe that Gonzaga is a mid-major still because they are a small private school that athletic wise focuses mostly on basketball. Just because your good doesn't automatically qualify you as a Major program. And just because you are bad doesn't make you a mid-major. I believe Mephis is not a mid-major because they are a huge school that is very competitive in most major sports, not just basketball. Memphis almost won the tournament last year. Memphis can recruit some of the top players from around the nation. Gonzaga recruits MOSTLY along the west coast. Hell Gonzaga is playing MSU-B to start off the season. :twocents:

And Memphis recruits mostly on the east coast.......and what does it matter that they are playing MSU-B their first game??

 

[Lou]

Interesting conversation. I agree that both the WCC and C-USA are mid-major conferences. Each of those conferences are led by a single team that consistently trucks every other member of their conference year in and year out. The difference is that the Tigers (Memphis) are actually an elite team that would finish at or near the top of any major conference, where as the Zags would be mediocre at best if they were in a BCS conference (just check their tourney record).

The Zags are basically the Griz of D-1 BB:
Major conference recruiting advantage - Check
Crap conference teams that they breeze through - Check
First and second round play-off disappointments - Check

The conference that I do not agree with being a mid-major is The Valley. They send like 5 teams a year to the dance.

Zags are 7-2 all-time against ACC teams, I see how you think they would be mediocre in that conference!

All time, who cares? If the Zags had to play ACC level competition game in and out they would get WORKED. The dogs get over prepared for their OCC because they have to spend very little time preparing for their conference games. Zaga's NCAA claim to fame is that they made it to the elite-8 ONCE, right? Memphis has made it to the E-8 the last 5 years in a corn row. That's an elite team right there.

Even the Griz would finish in the top half of the WCC and the Griz S-U-C-K.

So instead of going by the facts you just go off of opinion?? Makes sense to me. They would get worked because they spend time getting over prepared for their OCC? I have no idea what you are trying to say, but it looks like you are trying to say that they prepare more for their OOC schedule than they do for their conference schedule. If this is the case then you are high.....look at the Zags conference schedule and their OOC schedule the last ten years. You keep THINKING what the Zags would do and I will keep looking at the facts.

And the Zags claim to fame isn't 1 Elite 8, it's making it to the tournament 10 years in a row!! And there is no way the Griz would finish anywhere near the top in the WCC. That is hilarious if you think that.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I think he was trying to say that since GU spends so much time for OOC, they don't spend as much time on conference game preparation. While it's patently false, I think he would then say that if GU were in the ACC, they would still prepare more for OOC than conference games. Thus, they would get worked.

Of course, he missed one minor detail: Teams in major conferences like the ACC do not need to play a tough OOC schedule because they get in in their conference. GU would obviously fall in line with these teams if GU was in a major conference.

So speculating about how GU would do in the ACC based mostly on what one thinks (and is wrong) is their current preparation scheme without realizing that such a scheme would be unique to playing in a smaller conference would be like saying that Kobe Bryant would suck if he played for the Trailblazers because he currently only scores points for the Lakers.

 

[Mslacat]