UM/Pacific

[EverettGriz]

It just seems that year after year Griz teams get tighter than a fat guy's underwear late in games. I don't know why, but the Griz rarely seem to win games down the stretch.

 

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

It just seems that year after year Griz teams get tighter than a fat guy's underwear late in games. I don't know why, but the Griz rarely seem to win games down the stretch.

Agreed. I can only recall one time. It was against sac or psu. Other than that I cannot remember a time when we've made big plays down the stretch. I can remember SEVERAL games that came down to one or two key possessions but only ONE where we made the play to win the game.

 

[GrizBBIsKing]

3 point lead, with around 15 seconds, but Pacific is going to the line.

 

[GrizBBIsKing]

Pacific Won the game 76 - 71.

Griz played real hard. Ran out of gas on the road. even though they lost, they still played better than that home loss to Portland. This game will still benefit the Griz later on. The loss should not be any reason for hanging their heads. Play this hard, eventually they're going to win.

 

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

Two more tough games coming up. Hopefully the griz can end this slide and pick up the final two on the road.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Well, I really am pissed letting this one slip away! The positives, played hard for the whole game. Hasquet sucked it up big time after twisting his ankle in the 1st half. Rundles and Hasquet were clutch down the stretch. The big lineup did well to start the game. I wonder why we did not stick with Qvale more in the 2nd half. His defense was great to start the game. The team moved the ball well and looked inside 1st.

The bad, not enough penetration and not running a good offense in clutch time. Overall much more to like about this game than to be upset about, other than the L. We should have put that game in the bag in the closing minutes, but the offense choked it away. Here is to hoping we keep improving. :thumb:

 

[EverettGriz]

Pacific Won the game 76 - 71.

Griz played real hard. Ran out of gas on the road. even though they lost, they still played better than that home loss to Portland. This game will still benefit the Griz later on. The loss should not be any reason for hanging their heads. Play this hard, eventually they're going to win.

I watched Portland and UW today, and Portland just about beat the Huskies in Seattle, no easy feet. In my opionion, they outplayed Washington, so maybe that wasn't such a horrible loss.

 

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

Well, I really am pissed letting this one slip away! The positives, played hard for the whole game. Hasquet sucked it up big time after twisting his ankle in the 1st half. Rundles and Hasquet were clutch down the stretch. The big lineup did well to start the game. I wonder why we did not stick with Qvale more in the 2nd half. His defense was great to start the game. The team moved the ball well and looked inside 1st.

The bad, not enough penetration and not running a good offense in clutch time. Overall much more to like about this game than to be upset about, other than the L. We should have put that game in the bag in the closing minutes, but the offense choked it away. Here is to hoping we keep improving. :thumb:

Normally, I'd agree... if we were an untalented team with a ton of young guys. That isn't the case. We're stocked with talent and experience. This team shouldn't be satisfied with improving every game and finding the silver lining. Losing these three games in a row is not good and we really need to win the next two if we want any type of rhythm or some confidence going into conference play. A team like this should be closing out and pulling away in close games... not just falling short. I am by no means jumping off the bandwagon or abandoning hope, just disappointed with the outcomes over the past three games.

 

[GrizBBIsKing]

Pacific Won the game 76 - 71.

Griz played real hard. Ran out of gas on the road. even though they lost, they still played better than that home loss to Portland. This game will still benefit the Griz later on. The loss should not be any reason for hanging their heads. Play this hard, eventually they're going to win.

I watched Portland and UW today, and Portland just about beat the Huskies in Seattle, no easy feet. In my opionion, they outplayed Washington, so maybe that wasn't such a horrible loss.

The way the Griz played that first half against Portland, it will always be a horrible loss no matter if Portland wins all the rest of their games. Griz were not ready to play that game, and didn't play that hard.

I think if Griz played Portland like they did today, Griz would have won. But, Griz would have won today except for some bonehead plays(I believe this is how Tinkle descibed it in post game interview), and likely running out of gas in overtime.

Anyway, as long as Griz keep playing better each game, they will be OK. I was about ready to jump off the Griz bandwagon after the Portland game, but they played better today. Non-conference schedule is for getting your team ready for conference, and reducing those so called bone-head plays. Whether we win or lose the next couple games on the road, the most important thing is to get the team to execute their game plan so that they are ready for conference. I know some of you posters are down after this game because it was winnable. But this is the first close game where they played half way decent and should have won. The Portland game was a should have won game when played poorly. Now, I would like to see them play better than half way decent next time.

 

[Swillbury]

First the LAkers...now the Griz. This weekend has blown cock

 

[FishDWF]

I attend Montana for school but I grew up in Stockton and have been a Tigers fan my whole life. So I was at the game tonight.

The bottom line is the Griz would have won this game if Graves would have played. I really don't see how Taylor still plays over Graves. He made two of the worst passes I have seen on any level. One on an inbound play he passed it right to the Tigers and another pass he passed right out of bounds. It has seriously gotten to the point where I am almost sure Tinkle is playing Taylor only because he is one of his recruits. Just look at the stats. At least Graves will bring potential shut down D if nothing else but after seeing the passes he made during the preseason I think he would bring a lot more.

It was the best I've seen Montana play since the Colorado St game. They were tough. It was a great game. If they play like this at Fullerton they'll return the favor to the Titans. Santa Clara is tough but if you take away their big man they aren't going to win.

 

[BelierPeaux]

Am I to understand that they started Qvale? I saw his line and he only had 19 minutes? His stats looked great, though, so how was he on his limited minutes, as good as the stats say? I really wish he was getting 29 minutes instead of 19.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Am I to understand that they started Qvale? I saw his line and he only had 19 minutes? His stats looked great, though, so how was he on his limited minutes, as good as the stats say? I really wish he was getting 29 minutes instead of 19.

I was at the game, and will add my thoughts to what others have posted.

Qvale picked up two quick fouls early so he had to sit quite a bit, then in the second half he picked up his third foul pretty early. The Pacific Coach knew he was a freshman and had his guys, who are very athletic, take the ball right at him. Qvale tends to swat at the ball when trying to block it instead of going straight up, and he picked up a couple fouls that way. He is very impressive nonetheless, he changes shots, and picked up 3 blocks. He will be an animal with more experience and some muscle.

I disagree with the poster that said CET cost the Griz the game. If you want to place blame, there are plenty of places to do that. Cam had maybe his worst game as a Griz. He didn't seem mentally into the game until later in the game. I don't mean to say he wasn't trying, because he was, he just didn't have it. Martin took a couple bad shots. No one played perfect, including Hasquet, but no one is expected to either.

Mat Martin and Stads had a tough first half, where they were held scoreless. Part of that was the emphasis on pounding the ball inside, which was effective. Stads doesn't seem able to create a shot and he doesn't have the quickest release in the world, and Martin's man was able to get off some uncontested 3's that hurt. To their credit they both played pretty well in the second half, and carried the Griz Offense to begin the half as Pacific made some halftime adjustments to try and take away the paint.

It is obvious that the Griz are still trying to compensate for the loss of Sean Watson. I would have loved to have seen that lineup, but that is water under the bridge now.

Strait was solid as usual. The Griz need to get him more touches. Hasquet was an animal. He turns his ankle and played on guts. He was in a LOT of pain out there, but he just played through it. He is the leader of this team in my opinion. He may not get very vocal, but his play says a lot. If his teammates aren't inspired by Jordan then I don't know who could inpsire them.

Overall I was pretty excited about what I saw on the court. I do think the Griz need to attack the press and traps. They often times passed right into a trap situation. The way the Griz break the pressure takes 10-12 seconds before they get into their offense. Their were several instances where that resulted in a bad shot to avoid a shot clock violation.

I realize Pacific had a lot to do with that as well. Pacific is more athletic than the Griz, so they were able to pressure the Griz on the perimeter.

Tinks had a nice gameplan and it was executed pretty well. It was also hard to overcome a 31-9 difference in free throws attempted. I know Tinks was very upset about the officiating, but that is life on the road. The players didn't complain about it, and left that to the Coach which was nice to see.

The record at this point doesn't bother me. If they play with the effort they had against Pacific, and clean up a few things, they will be right where they want to be in BSC play. :twocents:

 

[mtgrizrule]

Am I to understand that they started Qvale? I saw his line and he only had 19 minutes? His stats looked great, though, so how was he on his limited minutes, as good as the stats say? I really wish he was getting 29 minutes instead of 19.

I was at the game, and will add my thoughts to what others have posted.

Qvale picked up two quick fouls early so he had to sit quite a bit, then in the second half he picked up his third foul pretty early. The Pacific Coach knew he was a freshman and had his guys, who are very athletic, take the ball right at him. Qvale tends to swat at the ball when trying to block it instead of going straight up, and he picked up a couple fouls that way. He is very impressive nonetheless, he changes shots, and picked up 3 blocks. He will be an animal with more experience and some muscle.

I disagree with the poster that said CET cost the Griz the game. If you want to place blame, there are plenty of places to do that. Cam had maybe his worst game as a Griz. He didn't seem mentally into the game until later in the game. I don't mean to say he wasn't trying, because he was, he just didn't have it. Martin took a couple bad shots. No one played perfect, including Hasquet, but no one is expected to either.

Mat Martin and Stads had a tough first half, where they were held scoreless. Part of that was the emphasis on pounding the ball inside, which was effective. Stads doesn't seem able to create a shot and he doesn't have the quickest release in the world, and Martin's man was able to get off some uncontested 3's that hurt. To their credit they both played pretty well in the second half, and carried the Griz Offense to begin the half as Pacific made some halftime adjustments to try and take away the paint.

It is obvious that the Griz are still trying to compensate for the loss of Sean Watson. I would have loved to have seen that lineup, but that is water under the bridge now.

Strait was solid as usual. The Griz need to get him more touches. Hasquet was an animal. He turns his ankle and played on guts. He was in a LOT of pain out there, but he just played through it. He is the leader of this team in my opinion. He may not get very vocal, but his play says a lot. If his teammates aren't inspired by Jordan then I don't know who could inpsire them.

Overall I was pretty excited about what I saw on the court. I do think the Griz need to attack the press and traps. They often times passed right into a trap situation. The way the Griz break the pressure takes 10-12 seconds before they get into their offense. Their were several instances where that resulted in a bad shot to avoid a shot clock violation.

I realize Pacific had a lot to do with that as well. Pacific is more athletic than the Griz, so they were able to pressure the Griz on the perimeter.

Tinks had a nice gameplan and it was executed pretty well. It was also hard to overcome a 31-9 difference in free throws attempted. I know Tinks was very upset about the officiating, but that is life on the road. The players didn't complain about it, and left that to the Coach which was nice to see.

The record at this point doesn't bother me. If they play with the effort they had against Pacific, and clean up a few things, they will be right where they want to be in BSC play. :twocents:

For me GB1, that is your best post ever. :thumb: I wish we could have a summary like that on all away games. Your report is encouraging, especially them executing and playing hard. As for Qvale, it is obvious he is a very good player. How much of a presence was he as for how they ran their offense? Beyond the blocks, the radio made it sound like he was making the offense think twice everytime. What do you think of Staudacher defensively? Mike Warhank seemed very impressed with him and Qvale. Can Hasquet play the next game Monday?

Thanks again, for the report. :thumb:

 

[Grizbacker1]

Am I to understand that they started Qvale? I saw his line and he only had 19 minutes? His stats looked great, though, so how was he on his limited minutes, as good as the stats say? I really wish he was getting 29 minutes instead of 19.

I was at the game, and will add my thoughts to what others have posted.

Qvale picked up two quick fouls early so he had to sit quite a bit, then in the second half he picked up his third foul pretty early. The Pacific Coach knew he was a freshman and had his guys, who are very athletic, take the ball right at him. Qvale tends to swat at the ball when trying to block it instead of going straight up, and he picked up a couple fouls that way. He is very impressive nonetheless, he changes shots, and picked up 3 blocks. He will be an animal with more experience and some muscle.

I disagree with the poster that said CET cost the Griz the game. If you want to place blame, there are plenty of places to do that. Cam had maybe his worst game as a Griz. He didn't seem mentally into the game until later in the game. I don't mean to say he wasn't trying, because he was, he just didn't have it. Martin took a couple bad shots. No one played perfect, including Hasquet, but no one is expected to either.

Mat Martin and Stads had a tough first half, where they were held scoreless. Part of that was the emphasis on pounding the ball inside, which was effective. Stads doesn't seem able to create a shot and he doesn't have the quickest release in the world, and Martin's man was able to get off some uncontested 3's that hurt. To their credit they both played pretty well in the second half, and carried the Griz Offense to begin the half as Pacific made some halftime adjustments to try and take away the paint.

It is obvious that the Griz are still trying to compensate for the loss of Sean Watson. I would have loved to have seen that lineup, but that is water under the bridge now.

Strait was solid as usual. The Griz need to get him more touches. Hasquet was an animal. He turns his ankle and played on guts. He was in a LOT of pain out there, but he just played through it. He is the leader of this team in my opinion. He may not get very vocal, but his play says a lot. If his teammates aren't inspired by Jordan then I don't know who could inpsire them.

Overall I was pretty excited about what I saw on the court. I do think the Griz need to attack the press and traps. They often times passed right into a trap situation. The way the Griz break the pressure takes 10-12 seconds before they get into their offense. Their were several instances where that resulted in a bad shot to avoid a shot clock violation.

I realize Pacific had a lot to do with that as well. Pacific is more athletic than the Griz, so they were able to pressure the Griz on the perimeter.

Tinks had a nice gameplan and it was executed pretty well. It was also hard to overcome a 31-9 difference in free throws attempted. I know Tinks was very upset about the officiating, but that is life on the road. The players didn't complain about it, and left that to the Coach which was nice to see.

The record at this point doesn't bother me. If they play with the effort they had against Pacific, and clean up a few things, they will be right where they want to be in BSC play. :twocents:

For me GB1, that is your best post ever. :thumb: I wish we could have a summary like that on all away games. Your report is encouraging, especially them executing and playing hard. As for Qvale, it is obvious he is a very good player. How much of a presence was he as for how they ran their offense? Beyond the blocks, the radio made it sound like he was making the offense think twice everytime. What do you think of Staudacher defensively? Mike Warhank seemed very impressed with him and Qvale. Can Hasquet play the next game Monday?

Thanks again, for the report. :thumb:

I thought Stads worked his ass off on D, but he is going to have a tough time getting shots against teams that have very ahtletic guys guarding him. Nothing against him, but he can't create his own shot off the dribble. Speaking of Warhank, Tinks should look at some of the film from Mike's days when the Griz ran some stuff to get Mike shots coming off high screens. Stads is probably more athletic that Mike was so he should be able to handle it. Even when Stads misses, they look like they are going to go down. He is a pure shooter, but needs to work on his catch and release.

Qvale is a matchup problem for sure. The Tiger's post men were more athletic, but they were aware of where Qvale was at all times. You can tell Qvale was well coached in HS because he doesn't make some of the same freshman mistakes big men often make. I am very impressed with him. He goes out and does his job.

I was wondering if hasquet would be able to walk today. The trainer shold be BSC POW if he can get Hasquet ready for Monday's game. As tough as Jordan showed me he is, I wouldn't count him out.

I think Tinks has made some strides as a head coach too. He seems much more sure of what he is doing during the game. Tinks and the pacific Coach had quite a chess match going. They each made nice adjustments throughout the game. I will never blame officiating, but 31-9 does raise an eyebrow. :twocents:

 

[citygriz]

i agree with gb1's excellent report. i'd wanted to see the santa clara game before making observations, but since i don't think they'll change, here they are:

heart: hasquet has got it. reminds me with his long hair of a maori warrior, sans paint. clearly the emotional leader of the team, gutted it out on a bad ankle to log 28 points and cause the pacific fans to groan every time he launched a shot. i hope he can go monday.

qvale: truly lucky to have him. right now, even as a true freshman, our best post player since engellant. got two early fouls, and will learn he can't block every shot. with him in there, we are a very good team; when he exits, we revert to average. my one criticism of tinks in this game: he didn't play qvale the first three minutes of o/t, when pacific got several easy inside baskets to win the game. this kid needs only experience to get better, and i'd play him as much as possible.

big v. small: montana currently has in qvale, strait and hasquet three big men who are or will be among the best ever to play at montana, versus several perimiter players--rundles, martin, staudacher, elgin-taylor--who are not even to the caliber of recent grads matthews and criswell, and give us no edge against most college teams. so the question is, do you want to play a superior big man over an average perimiter player, thus giving up some perimiter defense and athleticism, to which i say, definitely!especially with sharp now able to provide quality minutes up front in relief. you always play to your strength, and right now the strength of this team is with its big men.

watson: the coaches knew exactly what was needed to round out this team, and if watson was half as good as advertised, he really would have made us scary good. we miss him.

point guard: a critical lack here, a point guard who can penetrate and dish, organize the offense, and create his own shot if he needs to. we did a much better job last night of passing the ball inside, but it seems we pass the ball around the arc endlessly without developing plays that will advance the ball to the basket. and nowhere was the lack of organization more evident than on the last shot, when we had 17 seconds to make the game-winner but wound up with a cowboy prayer that wasn't answered amid confusion among the playters. i can hardly wait for stockton and/or stewart to come aboard.

staudacher: as gb1 notes, he's got a slow trigger, but i wish we could create some shots for him, or he'd force the issue more. every time this kid shoots the ball has a good chance of going in. but he does seem reluctant to shoot, even when it seems he has an opening.

vanderjagt: watched him in warmups hit jump shots from all over the court, while demonstarating real mobility and athleticism for a big man. i've heard he looks lost when he gets into a game, but maybe he just needs more experience. i'd sure like to see him get some more p.t.

senior leadership: strait remains a workmanlike inside player, but at a cricitcal juncture in o.t., when rundles set him up for a bunny, he missed it point blank, not what you'd hope for from your ace senior. and while i've come around on matt martin, he continues to make some bonehead plays, once fouling a pacific player on a three-point shot, another time launching an air-ball three from the deep corner early in a key possession, causing tinks to call time out and get right in his face. seems the leadership on this team comes from the underclassmen, especially hasquet, maybe rundles.

rundles: what's up with him? hardly looked like the big sky freshman of the year. carped at the refs, and once, when he was approaching the free throw line and martin offered a hand of support, he backed away, like, leave me alone. obviously a fiery kid, just hope the fire burns the right way.

future: with stockton, stewart, selvig and mcgillis in the wings, the future looks bright for the griz. but overall, i came away very impressed with this team. if the chemistry remains right and several players continue to progress as the season goes on, we definitely should be considered among the faves for the big sky title.

 

[GrizWhiz]

i agree with gb1's excellent report. i'd wanted to see the santa clara game before making observations, but since i don't think they'll change, here they are:

heart: hasquet has got it. reminds me with his long hair of a maori warrior, sans paint. clearly the emotional leader of the team, gutted it out on a bad ankle to log 28 points and cause the pacific fans to groan every time he launched a shot. i hope he can go monday.

qvale: truly lucky to have him. right now, even as a true freshman, our best post player since engellant. got two early fouls, and will learn he can't block every shot. with him in there, we are a very good team; when he exits, we revert to average. my one criticism of tinks in this game: he didn't play qvale the first three minutes of o/t, when pacific got several easy inside baskets to win the game. this kid needs only experience to get better, and i'd play him as much as possible.

big v. small: montana currently has in qvale, strait and hasquet three big men who are or will be among the best ever to play at montana, versus several perimiter players--rundles, martin, staudacher, elgin-taylor--who are not even to the caliber of recent grads matthews and criswell, and give us no edge against most college teams. so the question is, do you want to play a superior big man over an average perimiter player, thus giving up some perimiter defense and athleticism, to which i say, definitely!especially with sharp now able to provide quality minutes up front in relief. you always play to your strength, and right now the strength of this team is with its big men.

watson: the coaches knew exactly what was needed to round out this team, and if watson was half as good as advertised, he really would have made us scary good. we miss him.

point guard: a critical lack here, a point guard who can penetrate and dish, organize the offense, and create his own shot if he needs to. we did a much better job last night of passing the ball inside, but it seems we pass the ball around the arc endlessly without developing plays that will advance the ball to the basket. and nowhere was the lack of organization more evident than on the last shot, when we had 17 seconds to make the game-winner but wound up with a cowboy prayer that wasn't answered amid confusion among the playters. i can hardly wait for stockton and/or stewart to come aboard.

staudacher: as gb1 notes, he's got a slow trigger, but i wish we could create some shots for him, or he'd force the issue more. every time this kid shoots the ball has a good chance of going in. but he does seem reluctant to shoot, even when it seems he has an opening.

vanderjagt: watched him in warmups hit jump shots from all over the court, while demonstarating real mobility and athleticism for a big man. i've heard he looks lost when he gets into a game, but maybe he just needs more experience. i'd sure like to see him get some more p.t.

senior leadership: strait remains a workmanlike inside player, but at a cricitcal juncture in o.t., when rundles set him up for a bunny, he missed it point blank, not what you'd hope for from your ace senior. and while i've come around on matt martin, he continues to make some bonehead plays, once fouling a pacific player on a three-point shot, another time launching an air-ball three from the deep corner early in a key possession, causing tinks to call time out and get right in his face. seems the leadership on this team comes from the underclassmen, especially hasquet, maybe rundles.

rundles: what's up with him? hardly looked like the big sky freshman of the year. carped at the refs, and once, when he was approaching the free throw line and martin offered a hand of support, he backed away, like, leave me alone. obviously a fiery kid, just hope the fire burns the right way.

future: with stockton, stewart, selvig and mcgillis in the wings, the future looks bright for the griz. but overall, i came away very impressed with this team. if the chemistry remains right and several players continue to progress as the season goes on, we definitely should be considered among the faves for the big sky title.

Who is Stewart???? Do you mean Michael Taylor?

 

[GrizWhiz]

I like Qvale a lot. But, "best post player since Engellant"?? Maybe, eventually, but, remember Brent Smith?

 

[SuperHornet]

The guys on the UOP board mentioned Qvale as a good influence on Griz play. (This is second hand because I can't afford to go to games until I get a new job. Rats!)

BTW, as far as most fans are concerned, the school is "UOP." Our bogus president is trying to rebrand us as "Pacific," a completely sell-out move to avoid confusion with that fly-by-night Internet school that bought naming rights to the Arizona Cardinals' stadium. The only problem is that this bogus rebranding generates the same problem with a D-III school in OR. The fans don't like it, and the least reason is that "PAC-IF-IC" doesn't come off the tongue as nice as "U-O-P." Fans are about ready to tar and feather the dude.

Of course, what do you expect with a president having the audacity to off football?

I fully expect this complaint to garner the same reaction it got on the BW Boards (namely Bronx cheers at best and "[Bleep] you!" at worst), but I don't care. UOP fans HATE the "PACIFIC" moniker. It reeks of Vince McMahon's sell-out to the World Wildlife Fund.

 

[Grizbacker1]

The guys on the UOP board mentioned Qvale as a good influence on Griz play. (This is second hand because I can't afford to go to games until I get a new job. Rats!)

BTW, as far as most fans are concerned, the school is "UOP." Our bogus president is trying to rebrand us as "Pacific," a completely sell-out move to avoid confusion with that fly-by-night Internet school that bought naming rights to the Arizona Cardinals' stadium. The only problem is that this bogus rebranding generates the same problem with a D-III school in OR. The fans don't like it, and the least reason is that "PAC-IF-IC" doesn't come off the tongue as nice as "U-O-P." Fans are about ready to tar and feather the dude.

Of course, what do you expect with a president having the audacity to off football?

I fully expect this complaint to garner the same reaction it got on the BW Boards (namely Bronx cheers at best and "[Bleep] you!" at worst), but I don't care. UOP fans HATE the "PACIFIC" moniker. It reeks of Vince McMahon's sell-out to the World Wildlife Fund.

It doesn't appear too many UOP fans give a rip since a whopping 2900 were in attendance. I almost threw up when Tinks said it was a tough environment. The Griz shot 50% for the game, maybe Tinks was using code and the "tough environment" was the free throw disparity, 31 for UPO and 9 for the Griz.