UM No. 1 in Conference Scoring Defense and Red Zone Defense

[EverettGriz]

I'm really trying to think if BN has an equivalent to PR. BN has plenty of griz posters that have the full range of postability (troll thru Wahlberg), but really don't think we have a Cat poster that galvanizes both Cats and griz against him. PR-> :grenade:

Cat_Bracket seems to be fairly similar to PR. Maybe not as bad, but still bad.

PapaG and Bracket. And LTCF, for sure. Perhaps not quite to the PR level, but then no one on any board can quite match PR.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I'm not talking about what they SEE, I'm talking about Heisman voters statistical analysis. I have seen the criteria. I KNOW for a fact that they don't "throw out games or stats". Yes, bigger games sway voters one way or another, but some of you are claiming stats are "thrown out" and they are not. You're also suggesting non-conference stats are meaningless. No, A.J. McCarron's numbers against Virginia Tech's defense are NOT meaningless. And when it comes to the Buck Buchanen award this year, consideration for Brad Daly will include the Colorado-Mesa game. They count. And when they announce winners, when they write bios and press releases, they do not use conference only stats, they use NATIONAL stats. Go look at Cam Newton's Heisman bio and tell me they just disregarded his non-conference games.

You're talking stats....I'm talking statistical analysis. Cam Newton's numbers will not get into the HOF, so technically using you're own argument those numbers won't count.

I get what you're saying. But if one were to, say, determine which quarterback had the best rating at a given point in the season, how would he get that info? As I see it, there is the antiquated way, or the revolutionary way. I'm more for the revolutionary way, though the formulae are extremely fluid and determined on the fly.

 

[mlbowl]

Admire your stats but let us know when you beat a Big Sky Team that is in the top 6-7 in the conference. Then you can really start admiring your stats. I see everyone finally (including media) has stopped talking about the POWER App State LOL

Aren't you a Weber fan? App State would beat your team like a rented mule. :lol: :lol:

No. If he/she were a Weber fan, he/she could boast of a victory over SFA.

yeah we'll sfa isn't very good, they barley beat the cats for Christ sake.


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Seriously :lol: :lol: :lol: Did I need to use emoticons there?

 

[fencer24]

The problems with stats can be shown by a simple example: A pass for 25 yards would normally be a very productive play. But what if it was 3rd and 30 to go? On paper the QB and receiver both look good, but for the team, it was an inadequate performance.
Maybe the most useful stat would be 3rd down conversions, since that demonstrates the ability to sustain a drive until you run out of space (end zone). But even then, a team like Cal Poly for example, could have a lot of successful conversions on 2nd down and not so many on 3rd. If they convert all their 2nds into TDs, but are unable to get 3rd downs does that mean that they lose?
Using stats to predict future performance is like looking at stock charts trying to predict future profits. It feels good but means nothing.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The problems with stats can be shown by a simple example: A pass for 25 yards would normally be a very productive play. But what if it was 3rd and 30 to go? On paper the QB and receiver both look good, but for the team, it was an inadequate performance.
Maybe the most useful stat would be 3rd down conversions, since that demonstrates the ability to sustain a drive until you run out of space (end zone). But even then, a team like Cal Poly for example, could have a lot of successful conversions on 2nd down and not so many on 3rd. If they convert all their 2nds into TDs, but are unable to get 3rd downs does that mean that they lose?
Using stats to predict future performance is like looking at stock charts trying to predict future profits. It feels good but means nothing.

That's why the new wave adjusts to get TSR. I'm hoping that you start paying attention.

 

[garizzalies]

This team has the talent to go as far as the coaching staff will let them.
No stat can reflect that other than the W-L column.

 

[ordigger]

When Heisman voters look at stats, they will NOT through Marcus Mariotta's stats against Nicholls State out. The won't throw Teddy Bridgewater's 18 first-half touchdowns in four blowout wins out. And when ESPN announces the All-American teams and puts stats next to their names, they won't be conference-only stats. Also, in the Buck Buchanen Award bio on TSN, they didn't make any mention of Caleb's stats in blowouts or non-conference games being thrown out. And they didn't list conference-only stats, they listed FCS stats. PERIOD.

Actually they will....they will see how the candidates performed in the bigger games. You don't believe that Maziel's performance against Alabama last year garnished him many of those votes?

When HOF voters look to vote people, are they looking at how a player did in the minors? Of course not. Ichiro will probably be the first to get credit for his Japanese numbers when voted on for consideration, however his MLB numbers will be enough to get him in. True stats are how you do against your level.

And there is a difference between a "stat" and a "stat analysis".

No, they won't. You have no clue how Heisman voters vote, or what they analyze.

Actually I do.....do your really want to go there Mr I Stayed At a Holiday Inn Last Night? Remember last time you thought I didnt know somebody, who looked foolish then? Although I must admit this time its not a relative. Unlike you, I don't name drop, and strut over the fact that I may know this person or that person.

 

[ordigger]

lol....PR is still hung up on 2 games vs 6 games. And btw I'm neither a cat nor a troll. As I said previously true statistical analysis would NOT use those games that do not have similar characteristics, ie non-conference games. It's very obvious why....some teams play up, some play down, some play peers. If you apply sampling and the applicable analysis from a statistical viewpoint, the only logical conclusion is to use the conference stats whether its 2 games, or 102 games. And that's simply because the characteristics of the stats throughout conference games remain the same, common type level opponents. Now if we kept only the same level non-conference games (ie FCS) then of course those states would be more than acceptable in a true model, when analyzing stats.

This should keep PR going alone for another 1-2 pages. My contribution.

Every media outlet and virtually everyone else uses all-season stats. They start using them after a number of games. No one waits until the end of conference seasons to use conference only stats. Keep posting and making a fool of yourself.

Your talking stats again. I'm not. The best representative statistics to use are common characteristics. And I'm 100% positive I'm not the one the general e-griz populace thinks is a fool....so please feel free to keep posting yourself.

What I don't get is why some people (you) can't accept that "there are often answers that are better, or more right, than others--just like there are opinions that are either right (or wrong) or more right than others. It also flat out blows me away some people (ie you) on here cannot recognize or admit that there are some people who are far more knowledgeable about" (1) many things than you.....Mr I Stayed at a Holiday Inn Last Night.

1. source: http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=63833&start=150

 

[CDAGRIZ]

When Heisman voters look at stats, they will NOT through Marcus Mariotta's stats against Nicholls State out. The won't throw Teddy Bridgewater's 18 first-half touchdowns in four blowout wins out. And when ESPN announces the All-American teams and puts stats next to their names, they won't be conference-only stats. Also, in the Buck Buchanen Award bio on TSN, they didn't make any mention of Caleb's stats in blowouts or non-conference games being thrown out. And they didn't list conference-only stats, they listed FCS stats. PERIOD.

Actually they will....they will see how the candidates performed in the bigger games. You don't believe that Maziel's performance against Alabama last year garnished him many of those votes?

When HOF voters look to vote people, are they looking at how a player did in the minors? Of course not. Ichiro will probably be the first to get credit for his Japanese numbers when voted on for consideration, however his MLB numbers will be enough to get him in. True stats are how you do against your level.

And there is a difference between a "stat" and a "stat analysis".

No, they won't. You have no clue how Heisman voters vote, or what they analyze.

Actually I do.....do your really want to go there Mr I Stayed At a Holiday Inn Last Night? Remember last time you thought I didnt know somebody, who looked foolish then? Although I must admit this time its not a relative. Unlike you, I don't name drop, and strut over the fact that I may know this person or that person.

Was it Burt Reynolds? I bet it was Burt Reynolds . . .

 

[AZGrizFan]

This is getting interesting. One post from page 15!!!

 

[ABQCat]

I'm really trying to think if BN has an equivalent to PR. BN has plenty of griz posters that have the full range of postability (troll thru Wahlberg), but really don't think we have a Cat poster that galvanizes both Cats and griz against him. PR-> :grenade:

Cat_Bracket seems to be fairly similar to PR. Maybe not as bad, but still bad.

PapaG and Bracket. And LTCF, for sure. Perhaps not quite to the PR level, but then no one on any board can quite match PR.

I suppose we could set up a scale of PRness and give these Cat posters a number or range that they fall under...say from 0 to 100 of PRness. I still contend to have a high PR rating, you need to be able to engage in an all-out flame war with your own kind. I see they guys having their moments taking on griz posters in complete and total flame war, but that in of itself doesn't score you very high on the PR scale. To truly get a high PR rating, you must be able to bring Cat and griz posters against you, and then insult them indiscriminately with personal attacks. This is certainly open to debate, but I'm just not seeing a very high PR scale rating for PagaG and bracket. LTCF has his moments on the Discussing the Issues page, but I would think there is an exception for those threads. They are by definition a place to go for politics, religion, and other lightening rod issues, so it seems circular to give LTCF a high PR score based on those threads alone.

 

[stubbins]

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[IdaGriz01]

This is getting interesting. One post from page 15!!!

Well, I always like to help. :mrgreen:

I do like to look at stats, although early in the season is is pretty much meaningless.

But: The only stat that really matters is the final score of the NC game.

 

[ordigger]

Actually they will....they will see how the candidates performed in the bigger games. You don't believe that Maziel's performance against Alabama last year garnished him many of those votes?

When HOF voters look to vote people, are they looking at how a player did in the minors? Of course not. Ichiro will probably be the first to get credit for his Japanese numbers when voted on for consideration, however his MLB numbers will be enough to get him in. True stats are how you do against your level.

And there is a difference between a "stat" and a "stat analysis".

No, they won't. You have no clue how Heisman voters vote, or what they analyze.

Actually I do.....do your really want to go there Mr I Stayed At a Holiday Inn Last Night? Remember last time you thought I didnt know somebody, who looked foolish then? Although I must admit this time its not a relative. Unlike you, I don't name drop, and strut over the fact that I may know this person or that person.

Was it Burt Reynolds? I bet it was Burt Reynolds . . .

No, I'd be name dropping then.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

No, they won't. You have no clue how Heisman voters vote, or what they analyze.

Actually I do.....do your really want to go there Mr I Stayed At a Holiday Inn Last Night? Remember last time you thought I didnt know somebody, who looked foolish then? Although I must admit this time its not a relative. Unlike you, I don't name drop, and strut over the fact that I may know this person or that person.

Was it Burt Reynolds? I bet it was Burt Reynolds . . .

No, I'd be name dropping then.

Burt Reynolds. I knew it, you rascal.

 

[mcg]

For what it's worth, I'm in favor of using full year stats. More data is better. We can do this

 

[CDAGRIZ]

For what it's worth, I'm in favor of using full year stats. More data is better. We can do this

You must want to watch the world burn.

 

[mcg]

For what it's worth, I'm in favor of using full year stats. More data is better. We can do this

You must want to watch the world burn.

It's a discussion board, right? I'm discussing.

 

[EverettGriz]

I'm really trying to think if BN has an equivalent to PR. BN has plenty of griz posters that have the full range of postability (troll thru Wahlberg), but really don't think we have a Cat poster that galvanizes both Cats and griz against him. PR-> :grenade:

Cat_Bracket seems to be fairly similar to PR. Maybe not as bad, but still bad.

PapaG and Bracket. And LTCF, for sure. Perhaps not quite to the PR level, but then no one on any board can quite match PR.

I suppose we could set up a scale of PRness and give these Cat posters a number or range that they fall under...say from 0 to 100 of PRness. I still contend to have a high PR rating, you need to be able to engage in an all-out flame war with your own kind. I see they guys having their moments taking on griz posters in complete and total flame war, but that in of itself doesn't score you very high on the PR scale. To truly get a high PR rating, you must be able to bring Cat and griz posters against you, and then insult them indiscriminately with personal attacks. This is certainly open to debate, but I'm just not seeing a very high PR scale rating for PagaG and bracket. LTCF has his moments on the Discussing the Issues page, but I would think there is an exception for those threads. They are by definition a place to go for politics, religion, and other lightening rod issues, so it seems circular to give LTCF a high PR score based on those threads alone.

I agree most don't live up to PR in their scale or volume. But LTCF and BAC certainly used to get into it like no others.


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[CDAGRIZ]

For what it's worth, I'm in favor of using full year stats. More data is better. We can do this

You must want to watch the world burn.

It's a discussion board, right? I'm discussing.

It's much bigger than that. It's a revolution. Get on board against season stat totals, or be left behind. Simple.