UM Defensive Stats Were not Average

[getgrizzy]

He lost the game very well. He will never lead a team to a national championship.

The defense did as good as anyone did in the conference and outside the conference. The Offense did not. The Offense did very poorly against Cal Poly compared to CP's other matchups. That's simply a reality.

The offense lost the game. Are you trying to say that our offensive coordinator will never lead a team to a national championship? Isn't it the Offense that puts those point thingys on the scoreboard that wins games?

In the NDSU game, the Griz had the last drive. Down 4, the offense could win it or lose the game. The NDSU defense could either hold and win the game or give up a score and lose it. The defense didn't hold. The Griz offense won the game, and the NDSU defense lost it.

In the Cal Poly game, Cal Poly had the last drive. Down 2, the offense could win it or lose the game. The Griz defense could either hold and win the game or give up a score and lose it. The defense didn't hold. The Cal Poly offense won the game, and the Griz defense lost it.

Its as simple as that.

The drive before the CP's game winning drive we turned the ball over on downs with 1:17 to play when our OC elected to put a linebacker in at running back on fourth and 1 and he didn't make. Our only first down on that drive was thanks to a CP penalty. We acquired the ball because our defense recorded a safety to get us a 19-17 lead with about 3:30 to play forcing CP to kick it back to us.

The defense forced CP to attempt at 49 yard FG by a freshman kicker in the rain after a 11 play, 36 yard drive. But, yeah, continue trying to blame the defense.

 

[tnt]

Considering the number of times our defense "scored for us" there is a certain logic in blaming them for our offensive failures..... The last few years have certainly given new meaning to "playing both sides of the ball"

 

[EverettGriz]

I think it's safe to say neither the offense or the defense played well enough in the Poly game.

Sorry to add a dose of sanity to another sh-tshow thread started by PR.

 

[SoldierGriz]

I think it's safe to say neither the offense or the defense played well enough in the Poly game.

Sorry to add a dose of sanity to another sh-tshow thread started by PR.

Thank You!

CP = Griz Achilles heel. Needs to change, starting this season.

 

[tnt]

I think it's safe to say neither the offense or the defense played well enough in the Poly game.

Sorry to add a dose of sanity to another sh-tshow thread started by PR.

BUT.... Were they above average????

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

He lost the game very well. He will never lead a team to a national championship.

The defense did as good as anyone did in the conference and outside the conference. The Offense did not. The Offense did very poorly against Cal Poly compared to CP's other matchups. That's simply a reality.

The offense lost the game. Are you trying to say that our offensive coordinator will never lead a team to a national championship? Isn't it the Offense that puts those point thingys on the scoreboard that wins games?

Isnt it a reality that our offense would have been overall better if Brady wouldnt have missed most the season??

 

[horribilisfan8184]

He lost the game very well. He will never lead a team to a national championship.

The defense did as good as anyone did in the conference and outside the conference. The Offense did not. The Offense did very poorly against Cal Poly compared to CP's other matchups. That's simply a reality.

The offense lost the game. Are you trying to say that our offensive coordinator will never lead a team to a national championship? Isn't it the Offense that puts those point thingys on the scoreboard that wins games?

In the NDSU game, the Griz had the last drive. Down 4, the offense could win it or lose the game. The NDSU defense could either hold and win the game or give up a score and lose it. The defense didn't hold. The Griz offense won the game, and the NDSU defense lost it.

In the Cal Poly game, Cal Poly had the last drive. Down 2, the offense could win it or lose the game. The Griz defense could either hold and win the game or give up a score and lose it. The defense didn't hold. The Cal Poly offense won the game, and the Griz defense lost it.

Its as simple as that.

The drive before the CP's game winning drive we turned the ball over on downs with 1:17 to play when our OC elected to put a linebacker in at running back on fourth and 1 and he didn't make. Our only first down on that drive was thanks to a CP penalty. We acquired the ball because our defense recorded a safety to get us a 19-17 lead with about 3:30 to play forcing CP to kick it back to us.

The defense forced CP to attempt at 49 yard FG by a freshman kicker in the rain after a 11 play, 36 yard drive. But, yeah, continue trying to blame the defense.

Defense had the last chance to win the game and failed. Again, simple as that. Had the Griz offense got the ball back with time to score after the field goal and failed, you'd have a point. But that's not what happened. It's useless for you to keep trying to let the defense off the hook. They didn't hold, no matter how many plays, how long the field goal try, or how much rain. One stop in bounds and the Griz win, and the defense wins it for them. This really is an easy concept. At ISU, Griz recover bad snap and go in for touchdown. Defense wins the game when it had the last chance to do so. See how simple this is.

 

[SoldierGriz]

He lost the game very well. He will never lead a team to a national championship.

The defense did as good as anyone did in the conference and outside the conference. The Offense did not. The Offense did very poorly against Cal Poly compared to CP's other matchups. That's simply a reality.

The offense lost the game. Are you trying to say that our offensive coordinator will never lead a team to a national championship? Isn't it the Offense that puts those point thingys on the scoreboard that wins games?

Isnt it a reality that our offense would have been overall better if Brady wouldnt have missed most the season??

Some on here absolutely refuse to consider the full context of last season. The Griz worked through the breadth of the QB depth chart last season with an offense that requires excellence at that position. The answer is yes - impossible to prove, but undeniable nonetheless.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

For you guys who want to defend (Ty) this defense by comparing it to what the offense did in games, you have to purposely ignore what happened over the previous 5 years. The offense had three difference styles of offense. The defense, one. The offense had multiple coordinators. The defense, one. The offense had to learn three different play calling and audible systems. The defense, one. Last year was the first year in a new system for the offense. Defense, same for every year that every player was on the team. Every player on defense was recruited by the DC. With the exception of RS freshman, none of the players on offense were recruited by the OC. The defense had position guys doing what they were doing for 4-5 years. Nobody on offense was doing things the same as even the year before. The DC was preparing for offenses he had defended for many years. The OC was preparing for defenses he had never seen once. The defense had numerous advantages (legs up) over the offense in every game played last year.

Just sit with that for a few minutes.

 

[tnt]

For you guys who want to defend (Ty) this defense by comparing it to what the offense did in games, you have to purposely ignore what happened over the previous 5 years. The offense had three difference styles of offense. The defense, one. The offense had multiple coordinators. The defense, one. The offense had to learn three different play calling and audible systems. The defense, one. Last year was the first year in a new system for the offense. Defense, same for every year that every player was on the team. Every player on defense was recruited by the DC. With the exception of RS freshman, none of the players on offense were recruited by the OC. The defense had position guys doing what they were doing for 4-5 years. Nobody on offense was doing things the same as even the year before. The DC was preparing for offenses he had defended for many years. The OC was preparing for defenses he had never seen once. The defense had numerous advantages (legs up) over the offense in every game played last year.

Just sit with that for a few minutes.

The problem is that the DC game planning was exactly the same. When Jason Semore was put in charge of planning (or what the press releases called a "collaborative effort") things DID improve substantially. It also made the coaching rift open to everyone and was yet another nail in Gregoraks coffin at Montana. I would bet there are OCs all over the Big sky thrilled to know whats coming from a much weaker MSU defense.

 

[SoldierGriz]

For you guys who want to defend (Ty) this defense by comparing it to what the offense did in games, you have to purposely ignore what happened over the previous 5 years. The offense had three difference styles of offense. The defense, one. The offense had multiple coordinators. The defense, one. The offense had to learn three different play calling and audible systems. The defense, one. Last year was the first year in a new system for the offense. Defense, same for every year that every player was on the team. Every player on defense was recruited by the DC. With the exception of RS freshman, none of the players on offense were recruited by the OC. The defense had position guys doing what they were doing for 4-5 years. Nobody on offense was doing things the same as even the year before. The DC was preparing for offenses he had defended for many years. The OC was preparing for defenses he had never seen once. The defense had numerous advantages (legs up) over the offense in every game played last year.

Just sit with that for a few minutes.

The problem is that the DC game planning was exactly the same. When Jason Semore was put in charge of planning (or what the press releases called a "collaborative effort") things DID improve substantially. It also made the coaching rift open to everyone and was yet another nail in Gregoraks coffin at Montana. I would bet there are OCs all over the Big sky thrilled to know whats coming from a much weaker MSU defense.

You had me until the above bolded...MSU's defense will improve. It honestly cannot get weaker.

 

[tnt]

Much weaker than the predictable defense Gregorak had at Montana is what I meant....... Now BS teams face not only a weak deffense but one that is very predictable..............

 

[SoldierGriz]

Much weaker than the predictable defense Gregorak had at Montana is what I meant....... Now BS teams face not only a weak deffense but one that is very predictable..............

msu defense < Griz Defense.

Agree.

 

[grizindabox]

I go away for a extended weekend.....only to return and find......nothing changes......

 

[Mavman]

For you guys who want to defend (Ty) this defense by comparing it to what the offense did in games, you have to purposely ignore what happened over the previous 5 years. The offense had three difference styles of offense. The defense, one. The offense had multiple coordinators. The defense, one. The offense had to learn three different play calling and audible systems. The defense, one. Last year was the first year in a new system for the offense. Defense, same for every year that every player was on the team. Every player on defense was recruited by the DC. With the exception of RS freshman, none of the players on offense were recruited by the OC. The defense had position guys doing what they were doing for 4-5 years. Nobody on offense was doing things the same as even the year before. The DC was preparing for offenses he had defended for many years. The OC was preparing for defenses he had never seen once. The defense had numerous advantages (legs up) over the offense in every game played last year.

Just sit with that for a few minutes.

End Thread! This was well put and the total truth!

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I go away for a extended weekend.....only to return and find......nothing changes......

Not true.... 75 only posted four times on this thread. That's a BIG change!

 

[PlayerRep]

For you guys who want to defend (Ty) this defense by comparing it to what the offense did in games, you have to purposely ignore what happened over the previous 5 years. The offense had three difference styles of offense. The defense, one. The offense had multiple coordinators. The defense, one. The offense had to learn three different play calling and audible systems. The defense, one. Last year was the first year in a new system for the offense. Defense, same for every year that every player was on the team. Every player on defense was recruited by the DC. With the exception of RS freshman, none of the players on offense were recruited by the OC. The defense had position guys doing what they were doing for 4-5 years. Nobody on offense was doing things the same as even the year before. The DC was preparing for offenses he had defended for many years. The OC was preparing for defenses he had never seen once. The defense had numerous advantages (legs up) over the offense in every game played last year.

Just sit with that for a few minutes.

Nope, you are wrong. It's perfectly okay to compare the offense and defense, from year to year and game to game. It's also fine for you to make your point. Note that TG was only the DC for 3 years. Are you saying nothing changed when he became the DC?

"Nobody on offense was doing things the same as even the year before." Do you really think that football changes completely when the offensive scheme changes. Do you really believe that the basics of running, blocking and catching change dramatically with different offensive schemes? Jeez, you clearly never played the game.

"The DC was preparing for offenses he had defended for many years." Do you think offenses don't change from year to year and even from game to game?

And, you ought to note that this thread was largely about the Griz defense, not TG. Some of you really are obsessed with TG. Do you feel jilted that he left for MSU?

 

[PlayerRep]

I go away for a extended weekend.....only to return and find......nothing changes......

Not true.... 75 only posted four times on this thread. That's a BIG change!

It's been pleasant not having Box messing up threads.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

For you guys who want to defend (Ty) this defense by comparing it to what the offense did in games, you have to purposely ignore what happened over the previous 5 years. The offense had three difference styles of offense. The defense, one. The offense had multiple coordinators. The defense, one. The offense had to learn three different play calling and audible systems. The defense, one. Last year was the first year in a new system for the offense. Defense, same for every year that every player was on the team. Every player on defense was recruited by the DC. With the exception of RS freshman, none of the players on offense were recruited by the OC. The defense had position guys doing what they were doing for 4-5 years. Nobody on offense was doing things the same as even the year before. The DC was preparing for offenses he had defended for many years. The OC was preparing for defenses he had never seen once. The defense had numerous advantages (legs up) over the offense in every game played last year.

Just sit with that for a few minutes.

Nope, you are wrong. It's perfectly okay to compare the offense and defense, from year to year and game to game. It's also fine for you to make your point. Note that TG was only the DC for 3 years. Are you saying nothing changed when he became the DC?

"Nobody on offense was doing things the same as even the year before." Do you really think that football changes completely when the offensive scheme changes. Do you really believe that the basics of running, blocking and catching change dramatically with different offensive schemes? Jeez, you clearly never played the game.

"The DC was preparing for offenses he had defended for many years." Do you think offenses don't change from year to year and even from game to game?

And, you ought to note that this thread was largely about the Griz defense, not TG. Some of you really are obsessed with TG. Do you feel jilted that he left for MSU?

Your response is turd soup, nothing more, nothing less. With his players the last 3 years the Griz defense should have been top 10 or better each year. Like the guy, not his results. Comprende, Gringo?

 

[CV Griz Fan]

For you guys who want to defend (Ty) this defense by comparing it to what the offense did in games, you have to purposely ignore what happened over the previous 5 years. The offense had three difference styles of offense. The defense, one. The offense had multiple coordinators. The defense, one. The offense had to learn three different play calling and audible systems. The defense, one. Last year was the first year in a new system for the offense. Defense, same for every year that every player was on the team. Every player on defense was recruited by the DC. With the exception of RS freshman, none of the players on offense were recruited by the OC. The defense had position guys doing what they were doing for 4-5 years. Nobody on offense was doing things the same as even the year before. The DC was preparing for offenses he had defended for many years. The OC was preparing for defenses he had never seen once. The defense had numerous advantages (legs up) over the offense in every game played last year.

Just sit with that for a few minutes.

Nope, you are wrong. It's perfectly okay to compare the offense and defense, from year to year and game to game. It's also fine for you to make your point. Note that TG was only the DC for 3 years. Are you saying nothing changed when he became the DC?

"Nobody on offense was doing things the same as even the year before." Do you really think that football changes completely when the offensive scheme changes. Do you really believe that the basics of running, blocking and catching change dramatically with different offensive schemes? Jeez, you clearly never played the game.

"The DC was preparing for offenses he had defended for many years." Do you think offenses don't change from year to year and even from game to game?

And, you ought to note that this thread was largely about the Griz defense, not TG. Some of you really are obsessed with TG. Do you feel jilted that he left for MSU?

Your response is turd soup, nothing more, nothing less. With his players the last 3 years the Griz defense should have been top 10 or better each year. Like the guy, not his results. Comprende, Gringo?

Si. Senior TG es muy fuchi.....