UM Defensive Stats Were not Average

[tgreseth]

To win a national championship, the Griz will need to put together a defense that is far better than "generally good."

The defense will need to be among the top 10 in scoring defense, takeaways, and YPC allowed in the FCS.

That will make them elite----and that's what will be required. Since when is "generally good" adequate?

Precisely. #56 in the nation may not be "average" in mathematical terms....but I if you want to be a legitimate contender that won't cut it.


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It's pedestrian I tell you. Simply pedestrian.

 

[PlayerRep]

To win a national championship, the Griz will need to put together a defense that is far better than "generally good."

The defense will need to be among the top 10 in scoring defense, takeaways, and YPC allowed in the FCS.

That will make them elite----and that's what will be required. Since when is "generally good" adequate?

Precisely. #56 in the nation may not be "average" in mathematical terms....but I if you want to be a legitimate contender that won't cut it.


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UM's defensive stats were roughly average for playoff teams, and that's roughly where UM ended up in the playoffs and polls.

3 playoff teams were in the top 10 of scoring defense. UM beat one in the playoffs and beat another in the regular season.

3 were in top 10 in turnover margin, including Duquesne, and So Utah.

4 were in top 10 in yards per catch including 1 that UM beat in the playoffs.

NDSU was in top 10 only in Scoring Defense.

 

[brewskis]

To win a national championship, the Griz will need to put together a defense that is far better than "generally good."

The defense will need to be among the top 10 in scoring defense, takeaways, and YPC allowed in the FCS.

That will make them elite----and that's what will be required. Since when is "generally good" adequate?

Precisely. #56 in the nation may not be "average" in mathematical terms....but I if you want to be a legitimate contender that won't cut it.


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UM's defensive stats were roughly average for playoff teams, and that's roughly where UM ended up in the playoffs and polls.

3 playoff teams were in the top 10 of scoring defense. UM beat one in the playoffs and beat another in the regular season.

3 were in top 10 in turnover margin, including Duquesne, and So Utah.

4 were in top 10 in yards per catch including 1 that UM beat in the playoffs.

NDSU was in top 10 only in Scoring Defense.

#56 in the nation out of a conference that hasn't been the the semifinals. Impressive.


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[horribilisfan8184]

Again, do you think these teams had better defenses than UM did last year? Not talking stats. Also, feel free to point out which of these teams had a better DC than UM did.

Bloom, just keep digging your hole. I'm enjoying how stupid you are making yourself look.

PR, I was just sitting here enjoying how emotionally attached to TG that you are. I would say that you are making yourself look stupid, but that is just par for the course.

What's stupid about a 60+ year-old man with a doctorate and a lake house acting like a 14 year-old on a fan forum?

So providing defensive stats for the Griz on a UM football message board is stupid? Actually, saying that providing football stats on a football message board is a stupid comment, and that makes you stupid.

Na na na poo poo! There, now I'm on your level. Happy?

 

[CV Griz Fan]

"Stupid is as stupid does"-Forrest Gump

 

[UMGriz75]

TG was an OK coord. Stats say a lot about his ability, but he could not stop a Triple Option. This is a great example of his limitations.

Not only did the Griz keep Cal Poly to its lowest season score least year (including Northern Iowa and Arizona State), no team adjusted as well and kept Poly to its lowest second half score as the Griz. The Griz were the only team that did have an effective defense against the triple option, or at least the most effective defense against it. Bar none.

 

[garizzalies]

8 of the 12 teams in the BSC were in the bottom 20 for all FCS and only 1 (or 2?) in the top 50.

PR is basically saying Traitorak's defense was the third smartest kid in the dumb row

 

[brewskis]

8 of the 12 teams in the BSC were in the bottom 20 for all FCS and only 1 (or 2?) in the top 50.

PR is basically saying Traitorak's defense was the third smartest kid in the dumb row

And no team beyond the second round of the playoffs. Ho hum.


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[catsack]

UM's defensive stats were generally good in recent years, when measured against top teams and playoff teams--contrary to the incorrect assertions of the likes of Bloomberg and Hook. See below.

1. UM had the best two-year average for Scoring Defense in the Big Sky.


2. Below are national defensive stats, measured only against the 24 playoff teams. Montana’s defense compares fairly favorably in these stats. “Better” below refers to better than NDSU in the national rankings.

1st – Team Sacks –(also 1st in the nation) - Better
2d – Fumbles Recovered – Better
2d – Blocked Punts – Better
4th – Blocked Kicks – Better
6th – Passing Yards Allowed (NDSU is 2d, by the way)
7th – Red Zone Defense – Better
7th – 3d Down Conversion Defense (NDSU is 1st, by the way)
11th – Turnovers Gained – Better
11th – 4th Down Conversion Defense – Better
14th – Passes Intercepted – Tied with NDSU
16th – Total Defense (27th in nation based on yards per play, which is probably a more true measurement of the quality of a defense)
16th – Scoring Defense (note that this stat also includes scores given up by the offense and special teams)
17th – Rushing Defense (45th in nation based on yards per play, which is probably a more true measurement of the quality of a rush defense)
17th – Pass Efficiency Defense

UM was also high in Defensive TD’s Scored, but I couldn't find the ranking/stat.

UM’s defense was also on the field a lot and some tough situations due 3 outs, 4th downs not converted, and turnovers. UM was 120th in time of possession.

UM’s Rushing Defense, based on yards per carry, was 3d best in the conference, at 3.9. UM played against the top 6 rushing teams in the conference, and 5 (really 6 counting NDSU twice) of the top 18 rushing teams in the nation, and 8 of the top 55 rushing teams in the nation. By comparison, NDSU played against 4 of the top 25. It looks like UM played against more of the top rushing teams than any other team in the nation. In the nation. Based on yards per carry, UM’s Rushing Defense was 45th in the nation. Yes, 80th based on average yards per game, but that is not as a true of a stat as yards per carry.

UM’s Total Defense was 45th in the nation based on yards per play. Only 15 playoff teams were in the top 50 in Scoring Defense. UM was 52d.

The stats I compiled were done right after the UM/NDSU game.

3. UM held all teams below their season average per carry, except PSU (6.5 to 5) and N.D. (5.3 to 5.1), and NDSU got its average in the first game. In addition, MSU was only .1 below its average and Weber was only .2 below its average.

CP was 4.3 to 5.5 average.
EWU was 2.4 to 3.8.
ISU was 3 to 3.8.
NAU was 1.7 to 4
Davis was 2.7 to 3.5.
NDSU was 4.5 to 5, in last game
Liberty was 1.9 to 3.6
SDSU was 2.9 to 3.7.

UM gave up 3.0 per carry. Only 10 playoff teams had a lower per carry average. McNeese, NDSU, Jack. St., UNI, Duquesne, Dayton, Ill St., Charles. So., Colgate and William & M.

UM put up its defensive numbers in a conference with the nos. 1, 2, 6, 10, 16, 30, 34, 40 and 42 passing offenses in the country. High-scoring conferences lead to lower defensive numbers.

The BSC also had the nos. 1, 7, 23, 27, 39 and 44 Rushing Offenses. Again, fairly high rushing rankings.

4. These stats are very good, when the bad FCS teams are taken out. This is especially impressive given that UM plays in a conference with very high-powered offenses.

UM allowed 3.93 yards per carry not 3.0 yards per carry if you are going to post stats at least be accurate !!!!

 

[PlayerRep]

To win a national championship, the Griz will need to put together a defense that is far better than "generally good."

The defense will need to be among the top 10 in scoring defense, takeaways, and YPC allowed in the FCS.

That will make them elite----and that's what will be required. Since when is "generally good" adequate?

Precisely. #56 in the nation may not be "average" in mathematical terms....but I if you want to be a legitimate contender that won't cut it.


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UM's defensive stats were roughly average for playoff teams, and that's roughly where UM ended up in the playoffs and polls.

3 playoff teams were in the top 10 of scoring defense. UM beat one in the playoffs and beat another in the regular season.

3 were in top 10 in turnover margin, including Duquesne, and So Utah.

4 were in top 10 in yards per catch including 1 that UM beat in the playoffs.

NDSU was in top 10 only in Scoring Defense.

#56 in the nation out of a conference that hasn't been the the semifinals. Impressive.

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Average among playoff teams is good, and certainly way better than average for FCS. Stop moving the goalpost. Just admit that you were wrong on this. Then we can move on.

 

[PlayerRep]

UM's defensive stats were generally good in recent years, when measured against top teams and playoff teams--contrary to the incorrect assertions of the likes of Bloomberg and Hook. See below.

1. UM had the best two-year average for Scoring Defense in the Big Sky.


2. Below are national defensive stats, measured only against the 24 playoff teams. Montana’s defense compares fairly favorably in these stats. “Better” below refers to better than NDSU in the national rankings.

1st – Team Sacks –(also 1st in the nation) - Better
2d – Fumbles Recovered – Better
2d – Blocked Punts – Better
4th – Blocked Kicks – Better
6th – Passing Yards Allowed (NDSU is 2d, by the way)
7th – Red Zone Defense – Better
7th – 3d Down Conversion Defense (NDSU is 1st, by the way)
11th – Turnovers Gained – Better
11th – 4th Down Conversion Defense – Better
14th – Passes Intercepted – Tied with NDSU
16th – Total Defense (27th in nation based on yards per play, which is probably a more true measurement of the quality of a defense)
16th – Scoring Defense (note that this stat also includes scores given up by the offense and special teams)
17th – Rushing Defense (45th in nation based on yards per play, which is probably a more true measurement of the quality of a rush defense)
17th – Pass Efficiency Defense

UM was also high in Defensive TD’s Scored, but I couldn't find the ranking/stat.

UM’s defense was also on the field a lot and some tough situations due 3 outs, 4th downs not converted, and turnovers. UM was 120th in time of possession.

UM’s Rushing Defense, based on yards per carry, was 3d best in the conference, at 3.9. UM played against the top 6 rushing teams in the conference, and 5 (really 6 counting NDSU twice) of the top 18 rushing teams in the nation, and 8 of the top 55 rushing teams in the nation. By comparison, NDSU played against 4 of the top 25. It looks like UM played against more of the top rushing teams than any other team in the nation. In the nation. Based on yards per carry, UM’s Rushing Defense was 45th in the nation. Yes, 80th based on average yards per game, but that is not as a true of a stat as yards per carry.

UM’s Total Defense was 45th in the nation based on yards per play. Only 15 playoff teams were in the top 50 in Scoring Defense. UM was 52d.

The stats I compiled were done right after the UM/NDSU game.

3. UM held all teams below their season average per carry, except PSU (6.5 to 5) and N.D. (5.3 to 5.1), and NDSU got its average in the first game. In addition, MSU was only .1 below its average and Weber was only .2 below its average.

CP was 4.3 to 5.5 average.
EWU was 2.4 to 3.8.
ISU was 3 to 3.8.
NAU was 1.7 to 4
Davis was 2.7 to 3.5.
NDSU was 4.5 to 5, in last game
Liberty was 1.9 to 3.6
SDSU was 2.9 to 3.7.

UM gave up 3.0 per carry. Only 10 playoff teams had a lower per carry average. McNeese, NDSU, Jack. St., UNI, Duquesne, Dayton, Ill St., Charles. So., Colgate and William & M.

UM put up its defensive numbers in a conference with the nos. 1, 2, 6, 10, 16, 30, 34, 40 and 42 passing offenses in the country. High-scoring conferences lead to lower defensive numbers.

The BSC also had the nos. 1, 7, 23, 27, 39 and 44 Rushing Offenses. Again, fairly high rushing rankings.

4. These stats are very good, when the bad FCS teams are taken out. This is especially impressive given that UM plays in a conference with very high-powered offenses.

UM allowed 3.93 yards per carry not 3.0 yards per carry if you are going to post stats at least be accurate !!!!

Yes, a typo. The 9 is next to the 0. You probably don't know that. Thanks.

 

[brewskis]

Oh PR....we need to buy you some gold and blue.


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[Catsrback76]

TG was an OK coord. Stats say a lot about his ability, but he could not stop a Triple Option. This is a great example of his limitations.

Not only did the Griz keep Cal Poly to its lowest season score least year (including Northern Iowa and Arizona State), no team adjusted as well and kept Poly to its lowest second half score as the Griz. The Griz were the only team that did have an effective defense against the triple option, or at least the most effective defense against it. Bar none.

Uhhhhhhh, cough.... the only game the Cats played well defensively was against Poly. We did better than um did against them... but carry on!

 

[UMGriz75]

TG was an OK coord. Stats say a lot about his ability, but he could not stop a Triple Option. This is a great example of his limitations.

Not only did the Griz keep Cal Poly to its lowest season score least year (including Northern Iowa and Arizona State), no team adjusted as well and kept Poly to its lowest second half score as the Griz. The Griz were the only team that did have an effective defense against the triple option, or at least the most effective defense against it. Bar none.

Uhhhhhhh, cough.... the only game the Cats played well defensively was against Poly. We did better than um did against them... but carry on!

First Half
vs MSU
Cal Poly 21
Vs UM
Cal Poly 14

Second Half
vs MSU
Cal Poly 7
vs UM
Cal Poly 6

UM kept Cal Poly's vaunted triple option to 20 points, better than anyone else Cal Poly played.
MSU kept Cal Poly's vaunted triple option to 28 points.

When I took engineering at MSU, the very first things we were taught on the first day of class were that 28>20, and that, as defensive scoring, that is, comparing what the other guy got, was not a good thing, and that 34>7, and that, as offensive scoring, that was a very good thing unless you attended MSU in which case it was a very bad thing.

That's your hernia check for the day. Cough.

 

[reinell30]

TG was an OK coord. Stats say a lot about his ability, but he could not stop a Triple Option. This is a great example of his limitations.

Not only did the Griz keep Cal Poly to its lowest season score least year (including Northern Iowa and Arizona State), no team adjusted as well and kept Poly to its lowest second half score as the Griz. The Griz were the only team that did have an effective defense against the triple option, or at least the most effective defense against it. Bar none.

Uhhhhhhh, cough.... the only game the Cats played well defensively was against Poly. We did better than um did against them... but carry on!

First Half
vs MSU
Cal Poly 21
Vs UM
Cal Poly 14

Second Half
vs MSU
Cal Poly 7
vs UM
Cal Poly 6

UM kept Cal Poly's vaunted triple option to 20 points, better than anyone else Cal Poly played.
MSU kept Cal Poly's vaunted triple option to 28 points.

When I took engineering at MSU, the very first things we were taught on the first day of class were that 28>20, and that, as defensive scoring, that is, comparing what the other guy got, was not a good thing, and that 34>7, and that, as offensive scoring, that was a very good thing unless you attended MSU in which case it was a very bad thing.

That's your hernia check for the day. Cough.

Never mind all the details, we gave them one too many points, regardless if it was in 1st half or 2nd.

 

[UMGriz75]

Never mind all the details, we gave them one too many points, regardless if it was in 1st half or 2nd.

The key detail was UM's Offense, which even UM's Athletic Department conceded, could not deliver.

 

[BornGrizz]

TG was an OK coord. Stats say a lot about his ability, but he could not stop a Triple Option. This is a great example of his limitations.

Not only did the Griz keep Cal Poly to its lowest season score least year (including Northern Iowa and Arizona State), no team adjusted as well and kept Poly to its lowest second half score as the Griz. The Griz were the only team that did have an effective defense against the triple option, or at least the most effective defense against it. Bar none.

He lost the game very well. He will never lead a team to a national championship.

 

[UMGriz75]

He lost the game very well. He will never lead a team to a national championship.

The defense did as good as anyone did in the conference and outside the conference. The Offense did not. The Offense did very poorly against Cal Poly compared to CP's other matchups. That's simply a reality.

The offense lost the game. Are you trying to say that our offensive coordinator will never lead a team to a national championship? Isn't it the Offense that puts those point thingys on the scoreboard that wins games?

 

[catsack]

He lost the game very well. He will never lead a team to a national championship.

The defense did as good as anyone did in the conference and outside the conference. The Offense did not. The Offense did very poorly against Cal Poly compared to CP's other matchups. That's simply a reality.

The offense lost the game. Are you trying to say that our offensive coordinator will never lead a team to a national championship? Isn't it the Offense that puts those point thingys on the scoreboard that wins games?

If I remember correctly the QB had three interceptions that game, bad overthrows! Blame those on the QB or the OC take your choice.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

He lost the game very well. He will never lead a team to a national championship.

The defense did as good as anyone did in the conference and outside the conference. The Offense did not. The Offense did very poorly against Cal Poly compared to CP's other matchups. That's simply a reality.

The offense lost the game. Are you trying to say that our offensive coordinator will never lead a team to a national championship? Isn't it the Offense that puts those point thingys on the scoreboard that wins games?

In the NDSU game, the Griz had the last drive. Down 4, the offense could win it or lose the game. The NDSU defense could either hold and win the game or give up a score and lose it. The defense didn't hold. The Griz offense won the game, and the NDSU defense lost it.

In the Cal Poly game, Cal Poly had the last drive. Down 2, the offense could win it or lose the game. The Griz defense could either hold and win the game or give up a score and lose it. The defense didn't hold. The Cal Poly offense won the game, and the Griz defense lost it.

Its as simple as that.