UM Defensive Stats Were not Average

[PlayerRep]

No need to cherry pick a bunch of stats. Here is where out defense ranked among the rest of the FCS. Its pretty average if you ask me, especially with all of the talent he had to work with. Not even in the top 30 for christ sakes with Gregorak in charge. Breske did a nice job while he was here and Paulsen didn't do much better than Gregorak and PR wants to say we were better than average? Maybe in our conference we were decent but on a national level our defense was average at best with a few good years in between.

Total Defense under Gregorak

57th 2015-2016
39th 2014-2015
56th 2013-2014
66th 2012-2013
Average: 54.5

Total Defense under Breske
26th 2011-2012
10th 2010-2011
Average: 18

Total Defense under Paulsen
69th 2009-2010
45th 2008-2009
32nd 2007-2008
9th 2006-2007
41st 2005-2006
102nd 2004-2005
Average: 49.6

Source:
http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/mainpage.jsp

It isn't cherry picking to compare against playoff teams. It is not relevant that the stats of weak teams from weak conferences are "better" than UM's. Maybe you think the stats of teams like the following show that they are better defensive teams, but I don't.

NC A&T, various Ivies, Campell, SC St, Alcorn, Gardner-Webb, Kennesaw St, Hampton, St Francis (are you telling us that St Francis has a better defense than the Griz), San Diego, Robert Morris, Jacksonville, Drake, Eastern Kentucky, Bucknell, Morgan St., Bethune-Cookman, SE La., Sacred Heart, Butler, NC Central, Citadel, Marist, Monmouth, Dayton, Bryant, Alabama St, Tenn. St., Stetson, Presbyterian, Norfolk St, Holy Cross.

Bloomberg and Hook, why don't you point out a half dozen of these teams that you believe had a better defense than UM, and then maybe we can focus on them.

 

[PlayerRep]

Our football geniuses Bloomberg, Hook and Everett apparently think these teams had better defenses than the Griz. That's pretty funny. Keep up the good work guys. You are really showing off your football knowledge. Those are some football powerhouses. Ha.

NC A&T, various Ivies, Campell, SC St, Alcorn, Gardner-Webb, Kennesaw St, Hampton, St Francis (are you telling us that St Francis has a better defense than the Griz), San Diego, Robert Morris, Jacksonville, Drake, Eastern Kentucky, Bucknell, Morgan St., Bethune-Cookman, SE La., Sacred Heart, Butler, NC Central, Citadel, Marist, Monmouth, Dayton, Bryant, Alabama St, Tenn. St., Stetson, Presbyterian, Norfolk St, Holy Cross.

 

[PlayerRep]

The unvarnished, consistent thread throughout the TG years is superior talent getting just above mediocre results. I thought TG might have found something in the SDSU game throwing a shutout in the first half, then the second half eroded that thought. Come to think of it, one DC did make adjustments and throw a shutout the second half of that game.

If you actually just want to compare the numbers, the Griz defense played NDSU better in the playoffs than in the opener.

You want to compare games where the blowout was on by the end of the first half so their offense could step off the accelerator and grind up some clock, with the competitive to the last play season opener? What the playoff game tells you is the NDSU defense improved all season and was vastly improved by the playoff game, while the Griz, not so much.

Just pointing out that stats can tell any story you want, just pick the correct ones.

It's pretty funny that you think comparing the Griz D to weak and non-playoff teams and conferences is more relevant to comparing to playoff teams. Talk about not understanding and never playing the game.

 

[tnt]

If you actually just want to compare the numbers, the Griz defense played NDSU better in the playoffs than in the opener.

You want to compare games where the blowout was on by the end of the first half so their offense could step off the accelerator and grind up some clock, with the competitive to the last play season opener? What the playoff game tells you is the NDSU defense improved all season and was vastly improved by the playoff game, while the Griz, not so much.

Just pointing out that stats can tell any story you want, just pick the correct ones.

It's pretty funny that you think comparing the Griz D to weak and non-playoff teams and conferences is more relevant to comparing to playoff teams. Talk about not understanding and never playing the game.

So now that you are comparing us to just Play-off teams, where is the Key Stat? Wins and Losses of those same play off teams... (especially IN the Play offs) Its a really easy number to skew as far as average or above average.... Its a perfect one for you to use.

 

[PlayerRep]

You want to compare games where the blowout was on by the end of the first half so their offense could step off the accelerator and grind up some clock, with the competitive to the last play season opener? What the playoff game tells you is the NDSU defense improved all season and was vastly improved by the playoff game, while the Griz, not so much.

Just pointing out that stats can tell any story you want, just pick the correct ones.

It's pretty funny that you think comparing the Griz D to weak and non-playoff teams and conferences is more relevant to comparing to playoff teams. Talk about not understanding and never playing the game.

So now that you are comparing us to just Play-off teams, where is the Key Stat? Wins and Losses of those same play off teams... (especially IN the Play offs) Its a really easy number to skew as far as average or above average.... Its a perfect one for you to use.

Yes, comparing the season defensive stats of playoff teams. Seems way better than comparing defensive stats to these teams (see below). Do you disagree, and think it's better to compare to the below teams? Do you think all of those teams had better defenses than the Griz.

NC A&T, various Ivies, Campell, SC St, Alcorn, Gardner-Webb, Kennesaw St, Hampton, St Francis (are you telling us that St Francis has a better defense than the Griz), San Diego, Robert Morris, Jacksonville, Drake, Eastern Kentucky, Bucknell, Morgan St., Bethune-Cookman, SE La., Sacred Heart, Butler, NC Central, Citadel, Marist, Monmouth, Dayton, Bryant, Alabama St, Tenn. St., Stetson, Presbyterian, Norfolk St, Holy Cross.

And it's not comparing "now". I did the playoff comparison at the end of the Griz season.

 

[SoldierGriz]

To win a national championship, the Griz will need to put together a defense that is far better than "generally good."

The defense will need to be among the top 10 in scoring defense, takeaways, and YPC allowed in the FCS.

That will make them elite----and that's what will be required. Since when is "generally good" adequate?

 

[Bloomberg75]

Our football geniuses Bloomberg, Hook and Everett apparently think these teams had better defenses than the Griz. That's pretty funny. Keep up the good work guys. You are really showing off your football knowledge. Those are some football powerhouses. Ha.

NC A&T, various Ivies, Campell, SC St, Alcorn, Gardner-Webb, Kennesaw St, Hampton, St Francis (are you telling us that St Francis has a better defense than the Griz), San Diego, Robert Morris, Jacksonville, Drake, Eastern Kentucky, Bucknell, Morgan St., Bethune-Cookman, SE La., Sacred Heart, Butler, NC Central, Citadel, Marist, Monmouth, Dayton, Bryant, Alabama St, Tenn. St., Stetson, Presbyterian, Norfolk St, Holy Cross.

Statistically yes. Of course they may have just had a better DC in relation to their talent.

 

[brewskis]

So we have established that Ty was nowhere near Breske's level.


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[PlayerRep]

Our football geniuses Bloomberg, Hook and Everett apparently think these teams had better defenses than the Griz. That's pretty funny. Keep up the good work guys. You are really showing off your football knowledge. Those are some football powerhouses. Ha.

NC A&T, various Ivies, Campell, SC St, Alcorn, Gardner-Webb, Kennesaw St, Hampton, St Francis (are you telling us that St Francis has a better defense than the Griz), San Diego, Robert Morris, Jacksonville, Drake, Eastern Kentucky, Bucknell, Morgan St., Bethune-Cookman, SE La., Sacred Heart, Butler, NC Central, Citadel, Marist, Monmouth, Dayton, Bryant, Alabama St, Tenn. St., Stetson, Presbyterian, Norfolk St, Holy Cross.

Statistically yes. Of course they may have just had a better DC in relation to their talent.

Again, do you think these teams had better defenses than UM did last year? Not talking stats. Also, feel free to point out which of these teams had a better DC than UM did.

Bloom, just keep digging your hole. I'm enjoying how stupid you are making yourself look.

 

[tnt]

Just pointing out that stats can tell any story you want, just pick the correct ones.

It's pretty funny that you think comparing the Griz D to weak and non-playoff teams and conferences is more relevant to comparing to playoff teams. Talk about not understanding and never playing the game.

So now that you are comparing us to just Play-off teams, where is the Key Stat? Wins and Losses of those same play off teams... (especially IN the Play offs) Its a really easy number to skew as far as average or above average.... Its a perfect one for you to use.

Yes, comparing the season defensive stats of playoff teams. Seems way better than comparing defensive stats to these teams (see below). Do you disagree, and think it's better to compare to the below teams? Do you think all of those teams had better defenses than the Griz.

NC A&T, various Ivies, Campell, SC St, Alcorn, Gardner-Webb, Kennesaw St, Hampton, St Francis (are you telling us that St Francis has a better defense than the Griz), San Diego, Robert Morris, Jacksonville, Drake, Eastern Kentucky, Bucknell, Morgan St., Bethune-Cookman, SE La., Sacred Heart, Butler, NC Central, Citadel, Marist, Monmouth, Dayton, Bryant, Alabama St, Tenn. St., Stetson, Presbyterian, Norfolk St, Holy Cross.

And it's not comparing "now". I did the playoff comparison at the end of the Griz season.

I have no clue. Neither do you because the stats are dependent on who you play. A crappola team could be statistically great if it plays other crappola teams. You just need to be less bad than who you play to be above average. You are sort of right using "playoff teams" but not right enough. Northern Colorado (on a good day) could beat some of those teams. Thats what makes "stat" discussions fun. You would have loved my uncle Don up in Medicine Lake. Now there is a man who knew his stats Not only for Medicine lake but from Culbertson north and west to Glasgow. Foot Ball Basket ball track. He kept book for years and traded with others just like him. When we cleaned out his basement last summer we had 6 pickup loads of "books" Not counting the loads of stuff he had of his Dads who kept books on the twins from the first day he could pick up a game on the radio.

 

[Ursa Major]

It's pretty funny that you think comparing the Griz D to weak and non-playoff teams and conferences is more relevant to comparing to playoff teams. Talk about not understanding and never playing the game.

So now that you are comparing us to just Play-off teams, where is the Key Stat? Wins and Losses of those same play off teams... (especially IN the Play offs) Its a really easy number to skew as far as average or above average.... Its a perfect one for you to use.

Yes, comparing the season defensive stats of playoff teams. Seems way better than comparing defensive stats to these teams (see below). Do you disagree, and think it's better to compare to the below teams? Do you think all of those teams had better defenses than the Griz.

NC A&T, various Ivies, Campell, SC St, Alcorn, Gardner-Webb, Kennesaw St, Hampton, St Francis (are you telling us that St Francis has a better defense than the Griz), San Diego, Robert Morris, Jacksonville, Drake, Eastern Kentucky, Bucknell, Morgan St., Bethune-Cookman, SE La., Sacred Heart, Butler, NC Central, Citadel, Marist, Monmouth, Dayton, Bryant, Alabama St, Tenn. St., Stetson, Presbyterian, Norfolk St, Holy Cross.

And it's not comparing "now". I did the playoff comparison at the end of the Griz season.

I have no clue. Neither do you because the stats are dependent on who you play. A crappola team could be statistically great if it plays other crappola teams. You just need to be less bad than who you play to be above average. You are sort of right using "playoff teams" but not right enough. Northern Colorado (on a good day) could beat some of those teams. Thats what makes "stat" discussions fun. You would have loved my uncle Don up in Medicine Lake. Now there is a man who knew his stats Not only for Medicine lake but from Culbertson north and west to Glasgow. Foot Ball Basket ball track. He kept book for years and traded with others just like him. When we cleaned out his basement last summer we had 6 pickup loads of "books" Not counting the loads of stuff he had of his Dads who kept books on the twins from the first day he could pick up a game on the radio.

They have medicine for that now.

 

[Bloomberg75]

Our football geniuses Bloomberg, Hook and Everett apparently think these teams had better defenses than the Griz. That's pretty funny. Keep up the good work guys. You are really showing off your football knowledge. Those are some football powerhouses. Ha.

NC A&T, various Ivies, Campell, SC St, Alcorn, Gardner-Webb, Kennesaw St, Hampton, St Francis (are you telling us that St Francis has a better defense than the Griz), San Diego, Robert Morris, Jacksonville, Drake, Eastern Kentucky, Bucknell, Morgan St., Bethune-Cookman, SE La., Sacred Heart, Butler, NC Central, Citadel, Marist, Monmouth, Dayton, Bryant, Alabama St, Tenn. St., Stetson, Presbyterian, Norfolk St, Holy Cross.

Statistically yes. Of course they may have just had a better DC in relation to their talent.

Again, do you think these teams had better defenses than UM did last year? Not talking stats. Also, feel free to point out which of these teams had a better DC than UM did.

Bloom, just keep digging your hole. I'm enjoying how stupid you are making yourself look.

PR, I was just sitting here enjoying how emotionally attached to TG that you are. I would say that you are making yourself look stupid, but that is just par for the course.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Our football geniuses Bloomberg, Hook and Everett apparently think these teams had better defenses than the Griz. That's pretty funny. Keep up the good work guys. You are really showing off your football knowledge. Those are some football powerhouses. Ha.

NC A&T, various Ivies, Campell, SC St, Alcorn, Gardner-Webb, Kennesaw St, Hampton, St Francis (are you telling us that St Francis has a better defense than the Griz), San Diego, Robert Morris, Jacksonville, Drake, Eastern Kentucky, Bucknell, Morgan St., Bethune-Cookman, SE La., Sacred Heart, Butler, NC Central, Citadel, Marist, Monmouth, Dayton, Bryant, Alabama St, Tenn. St., Stetson, Presbyterian, Norfolk St, Holy Cross.

Statistically yes. Of course they may have just had a better DC in relation to their talent.

Again, do you think these teams had better defenses than UM did last year? Not talking stats. Also, feel free to point out which of these teams had a better DC than UM did.

Bloom, just keep digging your hole. I'm enjoying how stupid you are making yourself look.

PR, I was just sitting here enjoying how emotionally attached to TG that you are. I would say that you are making yourself look stupid, but that is just par for the course.

What's stupid about a 60+ year-old man with a doctorate and a lake house acting like a 14 year-old on a fan forum?

 

[PlayerRep]

Statistically yes. Of course they may have just had a better DC in relation to their talent.

Again, do you think these teams had better defenses than UM did last year? Not talking stats. Also, feel free to point out which of these teams had a better DC than UM did.

Bloom, just keep digging your hole. I'm enjoying how stupid you are making yourself look.

PR, I was just sitting here enjoying how emotionally attached to TG that you are. I would say that you are making yourself look stupid, but that is just par for the course.

What's stupid about a 60+ year-old man with a doctorate and a lake house acting like a 14 year-old on a fan forum?

So providing defensive stats for the Griz on a UM football message board is stupid? Actually, saying that providing football stats on a football message board is a stupid comment, and that makes you stupid.

 

[PlayerRep]

Our football geniuses Bloomberg, Hook and Everett apparently think these teams had better defenses than the Griz. That's pretty funny. Keep up the good work guys. You are really showing off your football knowledge. Those are some football powerhouses. Ha.

NC A&T, various Ivies, Campell, SC St, Alcorn, Gardner-Webb, Kennesaw St, Hampton, St Francis (are you telling us that St Francis has a better defense than the Griz), San Diego, Robert Morris, Jacksonville, Drake, Eastern Kentucky, Bucknell, Morgan St., Bethune-Cookman, SE La., Sacred Heart, Butler, NC Central, Citadel, Marist, Monmouth, Dayton, Bryant, Alabama St, Tenn. St., Stetson, Presbyterian, Norfolk St, Holy Cross.

Statistically yes. Of course they may have just had a better DC in relation to their talent.

Again, do you think these teams had better defenses than UM did last year? Not talking stats. Also, feel free to point out which of these teams had a better DC than UM did.

Bloom, just keep digging your hole. I'm enjoying how stupid you are making yourself look.

PR, I was just sitting here enjoying how emotionally attached to TG that you are. I would say that you are making yourself look stupid, but that is just par for the course.

I don't believe I said anything about TG in this thread. This thread is about defensive stats involving the Griz football team. Perhaps you should learn to read. Think it's you who has TG on the brain.

 

[Bloomberg75]

Statistically yes. Of course they may have just had a better DC in relation to their talent.

Again, do you think these teams had better defenses than UM did last year? Not talking stats. Also, feel free to point out which of these teams had a better DC than UM did.

Bloom, just keep digging your hole. I'm enjoying how stupid you are making yourself look.

PR, I was just sitting here enjoying how emotionally attached to TG that you are. I would say that you are making yourself look stupid, but that is just par for the course.

I don't believe I said anything about TG in this thread. This thread is about defensive stats involving the Griz football team. Perhaps you should learn to read. Think it's you who has TG on the brain.

Probably better than where you usually have him.

 

[grizpsych]

LOL! We must have been first in every defense statistic in the 2013-14 season then.

 

[brewskis]

To win a national championship, the Griz will need to put together a defense that is far better than "generally good."

The defense will need to be among the top 10 in scoring defense, takeaways, and YPC allowed in the FCS.

That will make them elite----and that's what will be required. Since when is "generally good" adequate?

Precisely. #56 in the nation may not be "average" in mathematical terms....but I if you want to be a legitimate contender that won't cut it.


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[bgbigdog]

To win a national championship, the Griz will need to put together a defense that is far better than "generally good."

The defense will need to be among the top 10 in scoring defense, takeaways, and YPC allowed in the FCS.

That will make them elite----and that's what will be required. Since when is "generally good" adequate?

Precisely. #56 in the nation may not be "average" in mathematical terms....but I if you want to be a legitimate contender that won't cut it.


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It's pedestrian I tell you. Simply pedestrian.

 

[BornGrizz]

TG was an OK coord. Stats say a lot about his ability, but he could not stop a Triple Option. This is a great example of his limitations.

He and Stitt were a bad fit. It was a good thing for him to leave. He is going to make MSU a better defense, and he will not be able to beat us for the foreseeable future. This is good for us and the state.

We need an MSU program that will be competitive to win against as preparation for the playoffs.