UM College of Humanities and Sciences to Restructure

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

This ought to go on a couple threads:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/12/us/coronavirus-live-news-updates.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

As I'm sure we're all aware, the situation is bad all over academia. Here's an interesting take, with some numbers that will make you gag:
https://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/2013/09/janet-napolitano-and-kings-and-queens.html?spref=tw

Napolitano has taken so much heat in the UC system for so long, I'm shocked she's been able to stick around. Thankfully the campus chancellors are dramatically more responsible for the health and function of the individual campuses, and there are some really good chancellors in the system.

 

[argh!]

As I'm sure we're all aware, the situation is bad all over academia. Here's an interesting take, with some numbers that will make you gag:
https://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/2013/09/janet-napolitano-and-kings-and-queens.html?spref=tw

Napolitano has taken so much heat in the UC system for so long, I'm shocked she's been able to stick around. Thankfully the campus chancellors are dramatically more responsible for the health and function of the individual campuses, and there are some really good chancellors in the system.

if you were to order their priorities, higher education has become a money making scheme first, second, and third, and an educational endeavor about tenth. i say this from having spent most of my life working in higher education. i could go on and on and on, but i'll just say that university administrators get away with stuff that would never fly in the real world of business, including ripping off the federal government. nepotism and cronyism are two examples. everywhere i have gone, there have been husband and wife teams in every college or school, and almost always every department. i'll stop myself there, before i write a book-length post.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

Napolitano has taken so much heat in the UC system for so long, I'm shocked she's been able to stick around. Thankfully the campus chancellors are dramatically more responsible for the health and function of the individual campuses, and there are some really good chancellors in the system.

if you were to order their priorities, higher education has become a money making scheme first, second, and third, and an educational endeavor about tenth. i say this from having spent most of my life working in higher education. i could go on and on and on, but i'll just say that university administrators get away with stuff that would never fly in the real world of business, including ripping off the federal government. nepotism and cronyism are two examples. everywhere i have gone, there have been husband and wife teams in every college or school, and almost always every department. i'll stop myself there, before i write a book-length post.

I've spent my entire life working within academia and scientific research as well, and I don't disagree, though I'd say it certainly varies institution to institution, and depends on what aspect of the system you're specifically referencing. Universities are huge institutions, and the goals of individuals, departments, and entire colleges may differ widely from that of the higher administration.

 

[argh!]

if you were to order their priorities, higher education has become a money making scheme first, second, and third, and an educational endeavor about tenth. i say this from having spent most of my life working in higher education. i could go on and on and on, but i'll just say that university administrators get away with stuff that would never fly in the real world of business, including ripping off the federal government. nepotism and cronyism are two examples. everywhere i have gone, there have been husband and wife teams in every college or school, and almost always every department. i'll stop myself there, before i write a book-length post.

I've spent my entire life working within academia and scientific research as well, and I don't disagree, though I'd say it certainly varies institution to institution, and depends on what aspect of the system you're specifically referencing. Universities are huge institutions, and the goals of individuals, departments, and entire colleges may differ widely from that of the higher administration.

agree it varies between institutions, and depends a lot on who is running different departments, etc... i think the biggest influence comes from the president's office, and research office, when science is involved. if they measure their success purely in dollars coming in, and don't care about doing their part of the deal (i.e. promised infrastructure, time for research, etc...), then there will be pressure on everyone involved to maximize money over morals, quality of research, etc... especially annoying is the tolerance of obviously dishonest scientists, who manage to bring in money based on fabrication, but who have power because of that money, so people tap dance around them rather than calling them out. again, i could go on and on and on about what i've seen, from places like the salk institute on down. i must say the british system, at least cambridge, seemed to be a lot more science-based and trustworthy than most american institutions.

 

[Berkeley_Griz]

I've spent my entire life working within academia and scientific research as well, and I don't disagree, though I'd say it certainly varies institution to institution, and depends on what aspect of the system you're specifically referencing. Universities are huge institutions, and the goals of individuals, departments, and entire colleges may differ widely from that of the higher administration.

agree it varies between institutions, and depends a lot on who is running different departments, etc... i think the biggest influence comes from the president's office, and research office, when science is involved. if they measure their success purely in dollars coming in, and don't care about doing their part of the deal (i.e. promised infrastructure, time for research, etc...), then there will be pressure on everyone involved to maximize money over morals, quality of research, etc... especially annoying is the tolerance of obviously dishonest scientists, who manage to bring in money based on fabrication, but who have power because of that money, so people tap dance around them rather than calling them out. again, i could go on and on and on about what i've seen, from places like the salk institute on down. i must say the british system, at least cambridge, seemed to be a lot more science-based and trustworthy than most american institutions.

Very true. I've been lucky to be a part of some great departments and institutions, and also spent time in those where money and prestige-chasing has become toxic. Great people at each place, but some of those more toxic overarching goals begin to trickle down and impact everything below them too often.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Kubler Ross would say a few things about the impending changes about to happen.

https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/state-colleges-and-universities-are-girding-for-a-tough-financial-future-after-the-coronavirus-pandemic/

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Kubler Ross would say a few things about the impending changes about to happen.

https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/state-colleges-and-universities-are-girding-for-a-tough-financial-future-after-the-coronavirus-pandemic/

One would think being in one of America's tech centers the minds running the Washington schools could link together this type of thinking:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/25/opinion/online-college-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

 

[kemajic]

Napolitano has taken so much heat in the UC system for so long, I'm shocked she's been able to stick around. Thankfully the campus chancellors are dramatically more responsible for the health and function of the individual campuses, and there are some really good chancellors in the system.

if you were to order their priorities, higher education has become a money making scheme first, second, and third, and an educational endeavor about tenth. i say this from having spent most of my life working in higher education. i could go on and on and on, but i'll just say that university administrators get away with stuff that would never fly in the real world of business, including ripping off the federal government. nepotism and cronyism are two examples. everywhere i have gone, there have been husband and wife teams in every college or school, and almost always every department. i'll stop myself there, before i write a book-length post.

Victor Davis Hanson's op-ed is most relevant to this discussion.

https://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2019/09/02/from-icon-to-just-a-con/

 

[fanofzoo]

Now is the time. Mandatory national service (is that redundant ? ) two years after high school.

 

[Grizzoola]

Now is the time. Mandatory national service (is that redundant ? ) two years after high school.

:clap: :thumb: :thumb:

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Doubt that U of M is going to have to face these type data.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/uw-medicine-furloughs-4000-more-workers-citing-coronavirus-budget-hit/

 

[SoldierGriz]

Now is the time. Mandatory national service (is that redundant ? ) two years after high school.

70 percent of the population aged 17 to 24 is not even eligible to serve in our military.

Many, many other ways to serve the Nation, however.

 

[fanofzoo]

Now is the time. Mandatory national service (is that redundant ? ) two years after high school.

70 percent of the population aged 17 to 24 is not even eligible to serve in our military.

Many, many other ways to serve the Nation, however.

Hell pick up trash.