UM at Weber (Thurs 3/2)

[AllWeatherFan]

One down this week. One to go.

 

[Potomac Griz]

According to Riley on the postgame just a Griz win in Pokey Saturday gets them a bye in Reno.

With the tiebreakers it looks good for the Griz if they win. With a win the Griz will either have the 5th or 4th seed depending on how Idaho does. If Idaho loses then it'll be a 3 way tie where the Griz likely have the 4th spot with either MSU or Weber in the 5th spot (who would then play the Griz in the 2nd round).

Interesting that Weber could lose the bye on Saturday if the Griz win, Weber loses to the Cats and Idaho wins their final game. Weber would end up tied with the Griz for 5th but would lose the tiebreaker due to the UND record (Weber is 0-2 against UND, the Griz are 1-0).

Gotta beat Idaho state!

 

[IdaGriz01]

Looking further, Montana wins and they get a bye. They hold the tie-breaker over Idaho, UMSU, and Weber.

Yes. If the Griz beat ISU, they're guaranteed a first round bye and the loser of the game where the two cats are playing drops into a first round game.

Not quite what I figured. Don't see how the Griz hold a tie-breaker over MSU. Agree on the other two. Safest case is to root for SUU to beat UI in that final game. Of course, everything depends upon the Griz winning at ISU ... and given this team's inconsistency, I'm not taking that as a given by any means.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Looking further, Montana wins and they get a bye. They hold the tie-breaker over Idaho, UMSU, and Weber.

Yes. If the Griz beat ISU, they're guaranteed a first round bye and the loser of the game where the two cats are playing drops into a first round game.

Not quite what I figured. Don't see how the Griz hold a tie-breaker over MSU. Agree on the other two. Safest case is to root for SUU to beat UI in that final game. Of course, everything depends upon the Griz winning at ISU ... and given this team's inconsistency, I'm not taking that as a given by any means.

Has to due with records vs UND

 

[IdaGriz01]

Looking further, Montana wins and they get a bye. They hold the tie-breaker over Idaho, UMSU, and Weber.

Yes. If the Griz beat ISU, they're guaranteed a first round bye and the loser of the game where the two cats are playing drops into a first round game.

Not quite what I figured. Don't see how the Griz hold a tie-breaker over MSU. Agree on the other two. Safest case is to root for SUU to beat UI in that final game. Of course, everything depends upon the Griz winning at ISU ... and given this team's inconsistency, I'm not taking that as a given by any means.

Has to due with records vs UND

Interesting. I assume that's based on the fact UND and EWU currently lead the conference at 13-4, but UND holds the head-to-head tie-breaker over EWU. Would that change if UND lost their final game and EWU won?

 

[marooncoloredglasses]

Oops. Sorry about the spelling, Sayeed Pridgett.

other large hurdles accomplished tonight were pressure free throws and winning a close game(anywhere).

 

[fanofzoo]

From here on out it's---- just win---- and everything else is meaningless.

GO GRIZ

 

[IdaGriz01]

From here on out it's---- just win ---- and everything else is meaningless.

GO GRIZ

Pretty much true. Not quite meaningless on the ISU game ... because of the seed/bye situation. But from here on it is basically "win or go home.'

 

[Potomac Griz]

Interesting. I assume that's based on the fact UND and EWU currently lead the conference at 13-4, but UND holds the head-to-head tie-breaker over EWU. Would that change if UND lost their final game and EWU won?

Even if EWU is #1 the Griz still have the tiebreaker on whoever loses the MSU vs Weber game.

The Griz, Weber and MSU all split with EWU (1-1) so it'd go down to how they did against UND. Griz are 1-0 against UND, MSU is 0-1 and Weber is 0-2.

Griz could actually end up with a 4 seed if Idaho loses too. Though 4 and 5 are pretty much the same since they play each other in the 2nd round and both get byes this year. Just gotta beat ISU and then we're either going to be a 4 or 5 playing either Idaho, MSU or Weber depending on who else wins Saturday.

 

[fanofzoo]

From here on out it's---- just win ---- and everything else is meaningless.

GO GRIZ

Pretty much true. Not quite meaningless on the ISU game ... because of the seed/bye situation. But from here on it is basically "win or go home.'

You right, just win ISU and the next 3.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Yes. If the Griz beat ISU, they're guaranteed a first round bye and the loser of the game where the two cats are playing drops into a first round game.

Not quite what I figured. Don't see how the Griz hold a tie-breaker over MSU. Agree on the other two. Safest case is to root for SUU to beat UI in that final game. Of course, everything depends upon the Griz winning at ISU ... and given this team's inconsistency, I'm not taking that as a given by any means.

Has to due with records vs UND

Interesting. I assume that's based on the fact UND and EWU currently lead the conference at 13-4, but UND holds the head-to-head tie-breaker over EWU. Would that change if UND lost their final game and EWU won?

No.

 

[IdaGriz01]

Interesting. I assume that's based on the fact UND and EWU currently lead the conference at 13-4, but UND holds the head-to-head tie-breaker over EWU. Would that change if UND lost their final game and EWU won?

Even if EWU is #1 the Griz still have the tiebreaker on whoever loses the MSU vs Weber game.

The Griz, Weber and MSU all split with EWU (1-1) so it'd go down to how they did against UND. Griz are 1-0 against UND, MSU is 0-1 and Weber is 0-2.

Griz could actually end up with a 4 seed if Idaho loses too. Though 4 and 5 are pretty much the same since they play each other in the 2nd round and both get byes this year. Just gotta beat ISU and then we're either going to be a 4 or 5 playing either Idaho, MSU or Weber depending on who else wins Saturday.

Thanks (and to HandBasket). Once they go beyond the head-to-head, the tie-breakers get so strange, I don't try to follow them. Given everything else, I did figure a UI loss could give the Griz a #4 seed.

But the main thing is still ... Beat the Ben-gals! GO GRIZ! :egriz:

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Interesting. I assume that's based on the fact UND and EWU currently lead the conference at 13-4, but UND holds the head-to-head tie-breaker over EWU. Would that change if UND lost their final game and EWU won?

Even if EWU is #1 the Griz still have the tiebreaker on whoever loses the MSU vs Weber game.

The Griz, Weber and MSU all split with EWU (1-1) so it'd go down to how they did against UND. Griz are 1-0 against UND, MSU is 0-1 and Weber is 0-2.

Griz could actually end up with a 4 seed if Idaho loses too. Though 4 and 5 are pretty much the same since they play each other in the 2nd round and both get byes this year. Just gotta beat ISU and then we're either going to be a 4 or 5 playing either Idaho, MSU or Weber depending on who else wins Saturday.

Curious, can Weber finish anything other than 3 or 6? I believe they own the tie-breaker over Idaho.

 

[Potomac Griz]

Curious, can Weber finish anything other than 3 or 6? I believe they own the tie-breaker over Idaho.

I'm honestly not sure...I need to read some more on how the tiebreakers work in 3 way ties when all 3 teams split with each other, and you have unequal amount of games played against the #1 team. it gets strange if the Griz win, Idaho loses, and Weber loses. I think Weber can finish #5 too.

In that scenario you got the Griz, Idaho and Weber all splitting head to head against each other so nothing resolved there.

Say EWU is #1 and UND is #2 (which if those two teams tie, UND wins the tiebreaker due to being 1-0 against EWU).

Griz went 1-1 against EWU, 1-0 against UND.
Weber went 1-1 against EWU, 0-2 against UND
Idaho went 0-2 against EWU, 0-1 against UND

So in that scenario I guess Idaho is #6 since they're 0-2 against EWU (the #1 team), then the Griz get #4 due to being 1-0 against UND (#2 team) while Weber is 0-2 against UND. So the Griz would play #5 Weber in the round after the bye.

But what if UND is #1 and EWU is #2?

Is 0-1 considered "better" in a tiebreaker than 0-2? Probably, or would it be considered equal so they'd look at Weber and Idaho's record against the 2nd place team (EWU)? I'm not sure on that one.. I'm guessing 0-1 beats 0-2 in a tiebreaker so Weber would be #6 and Idaho would be #5 (Griz still #4). So the Griz would play Idaho in the round after the bye.

Damn tiebreakers are a bitch (and a bit unfair honestly) when some teams only play each other once.

Sucks for EWU.. they only played UND one time and it was @UND. That one game decides the tie breaker between those two teams if they tie in record.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Curious, can Weber finish anything other than 3 or 6? I believe they own the tie-breaker over Idaho.

I'm honestly not sure...I need to read some more on how the tiebreakers work in 3 way ties when all 3 teams split with each other, and you have unequal amount of games played against the #1 team. it gets strange if the Griz win, Idaho loses, and Weber loses. I think Weber can finish #5 too.

In that scenario you got the Griz, Idaho and Weber all splitting head to head against each other so nothing resolved there.

Say EWU is #1 and UND is #2 (which if those two teams tie, UND wins the tiebreaker due to being 1-0 against EWU).

Griz went 1-1 against EWU, 1-0 against UND.
Weber went 1-1 against EWU, 0-2 against UND
Idaho went 0-2 against EWU, 0-1 against UND

So in that scenario I guess Idaho is #6 since they're 0-2 against EWU (the #1 team), then the Griz get #4 due to being 1-0 against UND (#2 team) while Weber is 0-2 against UND. So the Griz would play #5 Weber in the round after the bye.

But what if UND is #1 and EWU is #2?

Is 0-1 considered "better" in a tiebreaker than 0-2? Probably, or would it be considered equal so they'd look at Weber and Idaho's record against the 2nd place team (EWU)? I'm not sure on that one.. I'm guessing 0-1 beats 0-2 in a tiebreaker so Weber would be #6 and Idaho would be #5 (Griz still #4). So the Griz would play Idaho in the round after the bye.

Damn tiebreakers are a bitch (and a bit unfair honestly) when some teams only play each other once.

Sucks for EWU.. they only played UND one time and it was @UND. That one game decides the tie breaker between those two teams if they tie in record.

I think you are correct. Weebs can finish anywhere from 3 to 6. UND has the tie-breaker over EWU.

 

[cmtgrizzly]

Wow tough D at the end and beginning. If this team can play tough D at those times consistently they can win the Big Sky Tourney. It will help them gain confidence and they may be able to keep their energy and D up for the whole game which would really make them a tough out. Could be the start of what we all hoped for which is that they get hot going in to the conference tourney. Get the win this weekend and they will be excited for the tourney I am sure.

 

[Potomac Griz]

Also...just thought I'd toss this out there... Those 3 games where the Griz missed free throws in the final seconds that would have likely won the game...

We'd be 13-4 right now in a 3 way tie with EWU and UND for 1st place with the tiebreaker on both of those teams. We'd be 2-1 against those 2 teams combined. EWU would be 1-2. UND would be 1-1. Griz would be the regular season champ in a 3 way tie or two way tie with either of those teams.

 

[Potomac Griz]

Wow tough D at the end and beginning. If this team can play tough D at those times consistently they can win the Big Sky Tourney. It will help them gain confidence and they may be able to keep their energy and D up for the whole game which would really make them a tough out. Could be the start of what we all hoped for which is that they get hot going in to the conference tourney. Get the win this weekend and they will be excited for the tourney I am sure.

Totally agree. I loved the intensity the Griz played with this game. It honestly looked like a totally different team than what we saw against MSU in terms of diving on the floor, defensive intensity and attacking on offense. The attitude on the bench seemed different as well. It really looked like a different team out there, even when down by 10.

If the Griz win against Idaho State on Saturday and can keep the level of intensity and hustle they played with against Weber tonight I think we'll see a great showing in the tournament.

Also want to say Moorehead was flat out awesome this game. In other threads I see people sometimes worrying about our length against the bigger guards in the Big Sky (Like Hall and Sanders). We have some length at the guard position too. Moorehead and Pridgett for example.

 

[cmtgrizzly]

Wow tough D at the end and beginning. If this team can play tough D at those times consistently they can win the Big Sky Tourney. It will help them gain confidence and they may be able to keep their energy and D up for the whole game which would really make them a tough out. Could be the start of what we all hoped for which is that they get hot going in to the conference tourney. Get the win this weekend and they will be excited for the tourney I am sure.

Totally agree. I loved the intensity the Griz played with this game. It honestly looked like a totally different team than what we saw against MSU in terms of diving on the floor, defensive intensity and attacking on offense. The attitude on the bench seemed different as well. It really looked like a different team out there, even when down by 10.

If the Griz win against Idaho State on Saturday and can keep the level of intensity and hustle they played with against Weber tonight I think we'll see a great showing in the tournament.

Also want to say Moorehead was flat out awesome this game. In other threads I see people sometimes worrying about our length against the bigger guards in the Big Sky (Like Hall and Sanders). We have some length at the guard position too. Moorehead and Pridgett for example.

Yeah I think Moorehead is a better defender than some think and Pridgett is a good sized guard. Defense is mental toughness and desire. Certainly size has an effect as well but we have the athletes to play great D. The players just need the inspiration to do so which comes from enjoying the winning that comes with it, floor leadership and coaching. It really is a measure of team cohesiveness and play. We can do this!

 

[Colter_Nuanez56]

Sample's story

Griz earn redemption at Weber, remain alive for bye
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