It was pointed out on montanagrizzlies.com that a lot of what the DePaul fans had to say sounds a lot like what griz fans are saying now. So I went back and looked at their old posts, and it sounds all too familiar! They said how they had great talent, but couldn't win a game! How they had no defense, the players didn't like Kennedy, a bunch of fans organized a walk out at a game to protest him as a coach, how he didn't know the x's and o's of the game, how he had several players academically ineligible. They said the excuse that his players left for the NBA wasn't valid because even when they were on the team they still weren't winning. It's like Dejavu reading their posts. I heard how the players really want to beat Weber prove a point about Kennedy's coaching. That doesn't sounds like players who want to win FOR their coach, but rather to spite their coach. Doesn't sound good to me. I hope they do win to give them some confidence so they can win the rest of their games and make it to the big sky tournament, but feel bad that it may take their coach getting suspended for it to happen.
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GrizWhiz
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:-? What research? A bunch of opinions on ancient message boards? Coach K has been here a year and a half. Research is supposed to turn up facts not opinions. I think you jumping the gun on this. Coach Holst was given 4 years and I think Coach K deserves this much time too.
I agree, the same stick should that was used to measure Holst should be used for Kennedy.
I have to wonder though...will Kennedy be fired if he gets the team to the NCAA tourney once in 4 years? After how things are going now that will look like such a great accomplishment that I some how doubt it.
having said that. if next year is like this year, one might conclude that things wont get much better....though they cant get any worse.
I have to wonder though...will Kennedy be fired if he gets the team to the NCAA tourney once in 4 years? After how things are going now that will look like such a great accomplishment that I some how doubt it.
having said that. if next year is like this year, one might conclude that things wont get much better....though they cant get any worse.
Everything is so hard around you guys.
Stats: 12-17 last year at FSU
7-23, 18-13, 21-12, 12-18 & 9-19 at Depaul
13-17 last year and everybody knows our record this year.
That is 91-119 .436 in the last 7 years not including this year.
I'm all for giving a coach some time, but if the team comes out and kicks butt tonight, I say time for PK to go. (side note that 21-12 team lost in the first round of the NCAA with 3 guys that play in the NBA)
Stats: 12-17 last year at FSU
7-23, 18-13, 21-12, 12-18 & 9-19 at Depaul
13-17 last year and everybody knows our record this year.
That is 91-119 .436 in the last 7 years not including this year.
I'm all for giving a coach some time, but if the team comes out and kicks butt tonight, I say time for PK to go. (side note that 21-12 team lost in the first round of the NCAA with 3 guys that play in the NBA)
jagur1-it looks like checking Coach K's record is a little hard for you. His last year at FSU they went 20-12 and made it to the NIT finals.
Potomac Griz
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Kennedy's last year at Florida state wasn't 12-17, in fact he never did have a 12-17 year at FSU. His last year at FSU was 20-12, he had a .607 winning pct when he was at FSU and was considered to be one of the best coaches FSU has had (According to many articles I've read online from various newspapers in Florida). Kennedy also took FSU to more NCAA tournaments than they had ever been to before. Kennedy & Hugh Durham were probably the best coaches FSU has ever had, or at least the best fairly recent coaches they've had. This article is pretty interesting and fairly new:
Orlando Sentinel Article
If the Griz win tonight that'll be great, and they'll have a chance of making it into the tournament. I personally think its not too logical to assume its because Kennedy isn't there if the Griz do win. That implies that the Griz players haven't been playing their hardest all year, which I think is dead wrong.
Kennedy has been with the Griz for not even 2 years yet, and has had to do a bunch of emergency hole plugging to plug up some very serious holes left by the previous coaching staff. He had to rely fairly heavilly on JC recruits the past couple years to plug up some holes to buy himself a little more time to recruit some great HS recruits and build a program. You can't expect a guy to be able to turn this program around in two years, especially since it was left in such sad shape.
It has been a disappointing year this year so far for the Griz, but as many posters have pointed out before, quite a few of the Griz players have never played together before, so the team chemistry really isn't there yet. Things will get better, we just have to give Kennedy some time to actually build a successful program rather than giving up on him after less than 2 years.
Orlando Sentinel Article
If the Griz win tonight that'll be great, and they'll have a chance of making it into the tournament. I personally think its not too logical to assume its because Kennedy isn't there if the Griz do win. That implies that the Griz players haven't been playing their hardest all year, which I think is dead wrong.
Kennedy has been with the Griz for not even 2 years yet, and has had to do a bunch of emergency hole plugging to plug up some very serious holes left by the previous coaching staff. He had to rely fairly heavilly on JC recruits the past couple years to plug up some holes to buy himself a little more time to recruit some great HS recruits and build a program. You can't expect a guy to be able to turn this program around in two years, especially since it was left in such sad shape.
It has been a disappointing year this year so far for the Griz, but as many posters have pointed out before, quite a few of the Griz players have never played together before, so the team chemistry really isn't there yet. Things will get better, we just have to give Kennedy some time to actually build a successful program rather than giving up on him after less than 2 years.
Who cares what Kennedy did in his last year at FSU, that is ancient history, look at his record for the last six years, its horrible. There are lots of coaches out there that were great 10 years ago, that doesn't mean they are great now. Kennedy said it himself that he was burnt out after DePaul. Hogan should just admit he probably made a mistake giving his old buddy the job and actually open up the search. Come on we passed over Jamie Dixon, who is so young he could have coached here for 30 years, for this guy?
Potomac Griz
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NoIowasucks - Kennedy probably did feel burnt out after Depaul. It sounds like the situation in Depaul could burn anyone out temporarilly. People just love to bring up the comment Kennedy made about being burnt out when he resigned from Depaul, but they never want to bring up what Kennedy said about why he took the job here at the U of M:
"After I did step aside, I re-evaluated where I was in my coaching career, and I decided to look for a mid-major program where I wouldn’t have to deal with kids leaving early for the NBA Then low-and-behold, I got a call from Wayne Hogan."
I'd recommend reading this:
Kaimin Article
"After I did step aside, I re-evaluated where I was in my coaching career, and I decided to look for a mid-major program where I wouldn’t have to deal with kids leaving early for the NBA Then low-and-behold, I got a call from Wayne Hogan."
I'd recommend reading this:
Kaimin Article
Potomac Griz
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jagur1 - His last year was the 20-12 year with FSU. The 18-14 year after that was the new head coach, who promptly (after that season) went under .500 4 years in a row.
You can check Kennedy's coaching record, as well as other coaches coaching records and teams records at this link.
From what I've read (interviews and articles) it sounded like he is a coach who likes the challenge of rebuilding a program, that and FSU is a football crazy school, so basketball doesn't get much attention or much for attendance. Why he left Florida state could've been a combination of things. He had coached there for 11 years, and maybe was growing a bit tired of coaching at that university and thought it was time to move on. He had 3 mediocre seasons in a row, then a pretty good season with a NIT trip his final year, so the excitement around Florida state basketball was probably going down a little compared to how it was in the 92 season when they made it to the elite 8. I don't think many of the Florida State fans wanted him out though. Keep in mind those reasons are just guesses based on what I've read. There may have been other factors involved that he's never talked about too, who knows..
You can check Kennedy's coaching record, as well as other coaches coaching records and teams records at this link.
From what I've read (interviews and articles) it sounded like he is a coach who likes the challenge of rebuilding a program, that and FSU is a football crazy school, so basketball doesn't get much attention or much for attendance. Why he left Florida state could've been a combination of things. He had coached there for 11 years, and maybe was growing a bit tired of coaching at that university and thought it was time to move on. He had 3 mediocre seasons in a row, then a pretty good season with a NIT trip his final year, so the excitement around Florida state basketball was probably going down a little compared to how it was in the 92 season when they made it to the elite 8. I don't think many of the Florida State fans wanted him out though. Keep in mind those reasons are just guesses based on what I've read. There may have been other factors involved that he's never talked about too, who knows..
grizgirl317
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The big difference between Kennedy here and Kennedy at DePaul as well as between Kennedy and Holst is that, so far as I can tell, the players like Kennedy.
grizgirl317
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I just hadn't heard anything from any of the guys. I do know that most of the players weren't too sorry to see Holst go.
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