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Trump Considers Executive Order on College Athlete Payments

mthoopsfan said:
"Lawyer rips Nick Saban, NIL executive order rumors in midst of landmark NCAA settlement

Steve Berman released scathing statement on Monday"​

"Attorneys at the Hagens Berman law firm released a statement on Monday calling Saban’s reported involvement in the potential executive order "unmerited and unhelpful." Steve Berman, the firm’s managing partner and co-founder, called Saban and Trump’s talks "unneeded."

"While he was a coach, Saban initially opposed NIL payments to athletes, pushing to add restrictions and red-tape through national legislation to add ‘some sort of control,’" Berman said in a statement. "During his time scrutinizing the athlete pay structure, he made tens of millions of dollars and was previously the highest-paid coach in college football.

"Coach Saban and Trump’s eleventh-hour talks of executive orders and other meddling are just more unneeded self-involvement. College athletes are spearheading historic changes and benefitting massively from NIL deals. They don’t need this unmerited interference from a coach only seeking to protect the system that made him tens of millions."

Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala., said "if anyone" can help regulate NIL, "it's President Trump."

"And I think that should still exist for all players, but not just a pay-for-play system like we have now where whoever raises the most money in their collective can pay the most for the players, which is not a level playing field. I think in any competitive venue, you want to have some guidelines that gives everyone an equal opportunity to have a chance to be successful," he said.

Saban said the NCAA "can handle" NIL and whatever changes are necessary, but Congress "needs to" add "national legislation."

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/lawy...e-order-rumors-midst-landmark-ncaa-settlement
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Who to trust more on the topic - Saban or the managing partner at a law firm?
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
Fully agreed that players should be paid for uses of their Name, Image, and Likeness. It is criminal that they weren't before. They should also be able to do commercials nationally, regionally, or locally. I would be totally happy if they also get a cut of revenue from TV deals and ticket sales. Professional leagues have given us a model for this with setting a cap at the amount of revenue that goes toward the athletes.

I think what most people feel is ruining college sports is the completely unregulated transfers. I've been thinking about this a lot when I have free time, and I am sympathetic to college students being able to move schools and situations based on what is best for them whether they are an athlete or not. I think it probably IS an anti-trust issue to try to regulate the supply side.

The demand side, though, in the teams that are snatching up players could probably be regulated. International soccer has done quite well with transfer fees. I think if someone were to set something up around that, we would see less movement while still giving athletes opportunities. The current situation where kids enter the transfer portal, can't find a school, and are out of luck is not good for anyone.
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This primarily relates to football only.
 
mthoopsfan said:
No, Power 5 is not balanced. For the most part, and with a few exceptions, the teams with the most money and NIL have consolidated at the top. The rest are falling back.

And college football is a lot more than Power 5. The rest of D1 is being left behind.

Money/NIL now has a huge impact on college basketball. Big money generally brings in the top players.

Do the players generate anything for the economy? Feel free to explain that to us. Note the word economy.

Note that most players are not going to make much money from NIL. The bulk of the NIL money goes to the top and known players. What about the rest of the team? The star QB isn't the only player on the team.

As posted above, this is why it's bad for college sports: "Because unlimited NIL, unlimited transfers, big money from big donors, bigger money from sports in college, etc. will ultimately hurt or even ruin college sports, result in more corruption and foster more cheating. In my view, this is not consistent with public or private universities. It’s becoming more and more outside the mission of college education."
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You are clouding transferring with NIL. College football has done nothing to college basketball and even less to any female sport in college. The portal and NIL are two separate issues. College athletics contribute trillions to the American economy. "When Johnny Manziel played for Texas A&M they raised a record $740 million in donations during his time at the university, an increase of over $300 million compared to previous years. This surge was partially attributed to the team's success, particularly Manziel's Heisman Trophy win and media attention."
 
SoldierGriz said:
You should stop with the modern-day-slavery crap. Hyperbole and flat-out wrong.

Players were given a free education worth hundred(s) of thousands of dollars without NIL. No one forced anyone to play college sports.

Take a hike and while you're squatting to pee - GFY.
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What a stupid comment. A free education. You really are dumb. It's dumb people like you who created the issues with NIL and the portal. I'm guessing you think AI is going away too.
 
SoldierGriz said:
The whole thing is unregulated...all of it. The Tennessee QB is just the start.

I wholeheartedly agree players require more...far too much money involved and they are the main actors.

But, right now it is simply insane. Would.love to hear from someone with a rational and alternative view.
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I agree with you. I think the only really workable solution I can come up with is a transfer fee system similar to the EPL. Coaching buyouts in contracts might be a similar reference point. "Sure, you guys can take Riley Wilson and give him a bigger NIL at Arizona, you just have to pay the $35,000 fee" or whatever it is. That lets us then have more money in our war chest, and might decrease some of the demand from bigger schools.
 
get'em_griz said:
I keep going back to the old-school idea that solves 99% of the problem...

You sign a contract to play with a school, you get a full-ride scholarship, can transfer once.
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Contracts are the way this is all headed. But the courts have deemed that not allowing a player to transfer to perhaps take advantage of a better monetary situation is illegal.

Until the courts change their opinion on that, if ever, contracts and buyouts are the only option I see.
 
HikeGlacier said:
What a stupid comment. A free education. You really are dumb. It's dumb people like you who created the issues with NIL and the portal. I'm guessing you think AI is going away too.
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You are seriously a clueless turd. Dumbest poster on eGriz and there is no close second.

Equating college football players to slaves is a new low for this board.

Go play in traffic.
 
HikeGlacier said:
Saban walked out the door because other colleges can now do what he did under the table for years, and colleges with dumb people like Alabama can't compete against Universities that actually produce alumni with brains.
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He walked out the door because he was 71 years old. He walked out the door because he was so successful he couldn't retain quality assistants any longer. He walked out the door because he was having to re recruit players already on his roster. That is all.
 
406football said:
He walked out the door because he was 71 years old. He walked out the door because he was so successful he couldn't retain quality assistants any longer. He walked out the door because he was having to re recruit players already on his roster. That is all.
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Who can blame him? Old school GOAT dealing with college free agency, agents, and brand new university general managers...

The game we all love is slipping away or certainly becoming unrecognizable and olympic sports will terminate at many schools. It's a steaming pile of crap right now.
 
I find myself agreeing with the attorney's conclusion but not based on Saban's pay during the old system. It's not lost on me that Nick Saban now yearns for a more equal playing field. He didn't seem to have an issue in the past, when top players were being paid and programs with more money were engaged in a facilities arms race of which lesser schools could only dream. It makes one wonder if the true cause for concern among the elite programs isn't the continuing concentration of power, but the potential crumble thereof. NIL could allow a very rich group of alumni to take Also Ran University to new heights within the rules rather than under the table at the risk of getting caught. That was not a threat with the old system.

Now, if the gripe is the portal, it's a semi-separate issue. I find it very difficult for those opposed to players transferring at will to reconcile that stance with the notion that the players are student-athletes. As far as transfer penalties (which is what they are) like the EPL, I can see the initial appeal. But such penalties would simply serve as barriers to exit just like sitting out a year did. To the extent there is an issue, it's not mine to solve, and reminiscing about the old system does about as much good as saying gas used to be 20 cents/gallon.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
I find myself agreeing with the attorney's conclusion but not based on Saban's pay during the old system. It's not lost on me that Nick Saban now yearns for a more equal playing field. He didn't seem to have an issue in the past, when top players were being paid and programs with more money were engaged in a facilities arms race of which lesser schools could only dream. It makes one wonder if the true cause for concern among the elite programs isn't the continuing concentration of power, but the potential crumble thereof. NIL could allow a very rich group of alumni to take Also Ran University to new heights within the rules rather than under the table at the risk of getting caught. That was not a threat with the old system.

Now, if the gripe is the portal, it's a semi-separate issue. I find it very difficult for those opposed to players transferring at will to reconcile that stance with the notion that the players are student-athletes. As far as transfer penalties (which is what they are) like the EPL, I can see the initial appeal. But such penalties would simply serve as barriers to exit just like sitting out a year did. To the extent there is an issue, it's not mine to solve, and reminiscing about the old system does about as much good as saying gas used to be 20 cents/gallon.
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Exactly. You cannot arbitrarily impose transfer limits on one group of students that you wouldn't on another. Are they students who need to go to class, maintain academic eligibility, and work towards a degree, but can freely move and transfer if the above criteria are met, or should they be contracted employees of the university who are subjected to penalties for breaking contracts? That's a semi-pro football league.

People seem to want to have parts of both things at the same time, and that's why we're in the mess we're in.
 
uofmman1122 said:
Exactly. You cannot arbitrarily impose transfer limits on one group of students that you wouldn't on another. Are they students who need to go to class, maintain academic eligibility, and work towards a degree, but can freely move and transfer if the above criteria are met, or should they be contracted employees of the university who are subjected to penalties for breaking contracts? That's a semi-pro football league.

People seem to want to have parts of both things at the same time, and that's why we're in the mess we're in.
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The limits would be on playing sports, not on transferring.

Some players have been pushing for an employment relationship, and I assume with that could come contracts. I doubt that any big time player would want to sign a contract, which would likely limit what they could do in terms of earnings and transferring.

The upper tier of college football and basketball is already beyond semi-pro.

I'm still interesting in FCS level football. And I like the biggest games in FBS and the BCS playoffs. The BCS playoffs are likely to get screwed up, it seems. Too many uncompetitive games/blowouts even in later rounds seems to be a problem.

I've lost interest in most of college football and basketball during the season. Only like Griz hoops and the ncaa tourney.

I'm starting to like NFL football a bit more, because there's some amount of continuity on the teams.
 
mthoopsfan said:
The limits would be on playing sports, not on transferring.

Some players have been pushing for an employment relationship, and I assume with that could come contracts. I doubt that any big time player would want to sign a contract, which would likely limit what they could do in terms of earnings and transferring.

The upper tier of college football and basketball is already beyond semi-pro.

I'm still interesting in FCS level football. And I like the biggest games in FBS and the BCS playoffs. The BCS playoffs are likely to get screwed up, it seems. Too many uncompetitive games/blowouts even in later rounds seems to be a problem.

I've lost interest in most of college football and basketball during the season. Only like Griz hoops and the ncaa tourney.

I'm starting to like NFL football a bit more, because there's some amount of continuity on the teams.
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Right, I understand the distinction, but I don't think I've heard a good legal argument from anyone on why a player who is a degree-seeking and in-good-standing student athlete should be barred from playing after transferring that isn't just based on something arbitrary, like "this is how it's always been" or "there need to be some limitations on transferring".

I think the contracts and buyout fees would be the easiest way to "fix" the situation right now, but making the players employees opens up a whole new legal can of worms. People complain about players leaving on a whim, but in these contract situations, wouldn't players want some security from the whims of the team? As it stands right now, a team can just drop someone (FBS teams doing "run-offs" and FCS teams just not renewing scholarships) due to performance reasons, and the kid gets nothing, so you might see players looking for guarantees in the contracts, which would further complicate everything.

Totally understand your feelings on how it's changed, and it's absolutely wild to think about how the NFL seemingly has more roster continuity now than college football does.
 
HikeGlacier said:
You are clouding transferring with NIL. College football has done nothing to college basketball and even less to any female sport in college. The portal and NIL are two separate issues. College athletics contribute trillions to the American economy. "When Johnny Manziel played for Texas A&M they raised a record $740 million in donations during his time at the university, an increase of over $300 million compared to previous years. This surge was partially attributed to the team's success, particularly Manziel's Heisman Trophy win and media attention."
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NIL and Transferring are completely linked. Without NIL, there would be much less transferring, and certainly not by top players. NIL and Portal are not two separate issues; not the same, but not separate.

How does contributing to a university help the US economy? Please explain.

The big Texas A&M contributions at that time were also attributed to other things.

"But Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp told the Tribune that he believes there is more to it than athletics, though he acknowledged it helps.

Ed Davis, the president of the Texas A&M Foundation, which raises money to support the university, including nearly $351 million in the last year, said that some of the increases in gifts could be attributed to demographics.

The "magic age" for gift giving, he said, is 55 years and older. In the last decade, the total number of former A&M students in that range has more than doubled, from slightly more than 20,000 to nearly 50,000. Davis said it is expected to double again by 2020.

"The future is bright in terms of people who are going to be making gifts from wealth that they have accumulated," Davis said, adding that a thriving energy sector in the state also contributed to the number of individuals with money to donate.

The school also has a number of high-profile projects — pertaining to both athletics and research — under way, including a major renovation of Kyle Field and the establishment of a major federal biosecurity center."
 
mthoopsfan said:
Because unlimited NIL, unlimited transfers, big money from big donors, bigger money from sports in college, etc. will ultimately hurt or even ruin college sports, result in more corruption and foster more cheating. In my view, this is not consistent with public or private universities. It’s becoming more and more outside the mission of college education.
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I hate to break it to you but there has always been cheating in college football. Also since the NCAA, college institutions, mainstream media and coaches have turned college football into a huge business it has never been about the players getting a good education. Your excuse about big money ruining college football doesn't make sense. It's capatilism and the players are finally getting a cut. You're just seeing unchecked capitalism and we are quickly approaching the end of the Monopoly game. Kind of like our society in general.
 
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