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TRIPLE OPTION

argh! said:
TCCGRIZ said:
argh! said:
option teams in the past have caused hauck-coached teams trouble. remember wofford?

Yes ,smart move Argh . Let's focus on the past .
Hell I wonder if Hauck was a witness for Ford 36yrs ago .

hauck is the coach of the griz. of course it is relevant to bring up his history against triple option teams. i am curious if his las vegas team played any teams that use the option (i.e. navy), and if so, how they did.
UNLV and Air Force are both in the MWC.
 
TCCGRIZ said:
Griz#64 said:
Down lineman need align in gap, to draw double team and grab roots and growl to hold their ground.

Btw can you kick too??

You had me @ “align in gap.” But “grab roots & growl” - brilliant. :clap:

An astute follow up TCC. :thumb:
 
Ursus1 said:
Griz#64 said:
Triple option defense: Dive Quarterback pitch man.mike has dive, DE and Sam play quarterback pitchman. Make QB fish or cut bait. Keep in mind that the triple option is very prone to putting the ball on the ground..Down lineman need align in gap, to draw double team and grab roots and growl to hold their ground. Corners and safeties must not get sucked up. They normally play man free against Triple option. IE: Man under free safety. It is possible to force the least effective back into running the ball, by taking away pitch man or attacking QB quick.. Go Griz
If griz go with what they have most this season, 4 line and 2 LB not really a typical Mike Backer position (using say Buss/Olson) will they need to add a 3rd LB to have a true Mike/Sam/Will (Say using Lewis), or use a safety ?

Can’t imagine a scenario where we’d have 5 DB’s in the game regularly unless they’re walking Sandry up to the box regularly.
 
AZGrizFan said:
Ursus1 said:
Griz#64 said:
Triple option defense: Dive Quarterback pitch man.mike has dive, DE and Sam play quarterback pitchman. Make QB fish or cut bait. Keep in mind that the triple option is very prone to putting the ball on the ground..Down lineman need align in gap, to draw double team and grab roots and growl to hold their ground. Corners and safeties must not get sucked up. They normally play man free against Triple option. IE: Man under free safety. It is possible to force the least effective back into running the ball, by taking away pitch man or attacking QB quick.. Go Griz
If griz go with what they have most this season, 4 line and 2 LB not really a typical Mike Backer position (using say Buss/Olson) will they need to add a 3rd LB to have a true Mike/Sam/Will (Say using Lewis), or use a safety ?

Can’t imagine a scenario where we’d have 5 DB’s in the game regularly unless they’re walking Sandry up to the box regularly.
Correct me if Im wrong, CalPoly's version of the option is more simular to the wing T, than it is to Armys version of the tripple option where the fullback is the dive option for every play. You will do alright against it if you get ahead early, and make them play from behind. #5 is going to get his yards, just be toughin the red zone, take advantage of every penalty, force 3rd an 6 or 8, get tough on those plays. This is a harder offense to stop than Army's because of various formations and motion. OU had a hard time with Army because they all wanted to make the play, and didn't play assignment football. Good Luck, youall will do great , Im rooting for the Griz on this one!!! Eagles own the SKY!!
 
Read your keys and play. As it was previously stated one guy takes dive one takes q.b and one takes pitch. It’s just a matter of reading keys being disciplined and trust your brothers.
And since wooford got brought up. DAMN never seen wa Griz so silent after a missed field goal. That was an eerie moment
 
Didn’t Vika get moved back to LB. If so think we might see him this Saturday a bit more.

Go Griz!
 
...key to run the option...
...run where they aren't...
...key to stop the option...
...don't get out of the gap...

... 8-) ...
 
AZ, You are right, with motion from the wing backs, it ends up kinda like the Houston Veer, The Wishbone was a spin off when emery Ballard went to Texas. Bill Yoeman run the option from split backs,and Ballard simply Moved a fullback up tight behind QB. Go Griz
 
I have noted this elsewhere on the interwebs before, and a lot of has been written about it...

The coaching emphasis really hasn't changed over the years. Focusing on sectional responsibilities. Where from my perspective where coaches (myself included) have gotten into the weeds a bit over the years in regards to option defense is how much your scheme for stopping option deviates from your normal scheme. In recent years I have chosen to simplify my approach and stay within my already existent scheme.

Here is the most basic element to understand: Most schemes don't natively align to option and especially wing option/veer very well. Most coaches, as do I, prefer an even front. That isn't to say that running odd fronts don't work but rather I just prefer 40 personnel because of philosophy.

Anyhow playing within your normal defensive philosophy affords you the ability to play faster and give players as close to normal in game reads and from the positions and angles you normally might. If you don't ask your DE's to be box ends normally, don't ask them to be them against option. If your safety normally plays from depth and has alley support, keep it that way. You can ask players to work on techniques to help against certain elements (such as wrong-arming, double team defense, hi-lo tandem stuff) but I just think you don't change your players eyes or mind.

THe only thing you end up changing is coverage concepts because of alignment, but again I am a strong believer you run a coverage concept that you'd normally run and the CB's and Safetys are comfortable make run/pass read diagnosis from.

This scheme has the type of responsibility redundancy to make it successful at the second level. The 4-2-5 and the 3-3-5 allows overlapping support outside in, inside out, as well as level to level so that you wouldn't have to change much alignment wise to stay within your scheme.

You are going to give up yards. Deal. Sort of like death and taxes.
 
Mike Keys Split backs, and when one crosses the tee he fills flow side" B" gap.Sam and will, Key near back, and can do deals with DE, Plug, or scrape. Easy stuff huh.BTW,our secondary could also play Halves, That is man under two,Free and Strong Safeties have to be in read coverage because They can throw some. As we know already! we have been burned,.in our first 4 games. Go Griz
 
They’ll get rushing yards when the game is close. You can also set your watch by 2-5 balls deep when the safeties cheat up to cover it.

EWU did what everyone tries to do, sustain their own running game & @ 400 plus yards, exceeded expectations. Something that’s missing with CPSLO this last couple of years are the kinds of all-conference pro defensive prospects they’d had in the past. Run the ball & stop the run are the game cliches everyone notes. It’s been their calling card for a long time, but it’s been a tough task for CPSLO recently.
 
Grizfan-24 said:
I have noted this elsewhere on the interwebs before, and a lot of has been written about it...

The coaching emphasis really hasn't changed over the years. Focusing on sectional responsibilities. Where from my perspective where coaches (myself included) have gotten into the weeds a bit over the years in regards to option defense is how much your scheme for stopping option deviates from your normal scheme. In recent years I have chosen to simplify my approach and stay within my already existent scheme.

Here is the most basic element to understand: Most schemes don't natively align to option and especially wing option/veer very well. Most coaches, as do I, prefer an even front. That isn't to say that running odd fronts don't work but rather I just prefer 40 personnel because of philosophy.

Anyhow playing within your normal defensive philosophy affords you the ability to play faster and give players as close to normal in game reads and from the positions and angles you normally might. If you don't ask your DE's to be box ends normally, don't ask them to be them against option. If your safety normally plays from depth and has alley support, keep it that way. You can ask players to work on techniques to help against certain elements (such as wrong-arming, double team defense, hi-lo tandem stuff) but I just think you don't change your players eyes or mind.

THe only thing you end up changing is coverage concepts because of alignment, but again I am a strong believer you run a coverage concept that you'd normally run and the CB's and Safetys are comfortable make run/pass read diagnosis from.

This scheme has the type of responsibility redundancy to make it successful at the second level. The 4-2-5 and the 3-3-5 allows overlapping support outside in, inside out, as well as level to level so that you wouldn't have to change much alignment wise to stay within your scheme.

You are going to give up yards. Deal. Sort of like death and taxes.
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UNDSU gave up a single stinkin' field goal to these clowns. Watch the video of that game and do what UNDSU did. Simple.
 
Bearcountry92 said:
Read your keys and play. As it was previously stated one guy takes dive one takes q.b and one takes pitch. It’s just a matter of reading keys being disciplined and trust your brothers.
And since wooford got brought up. DAMN never seen wa Griz so silent after a missed field goal. That was an eerie moment

It sure wasn't quiet at my home. I'm sure the string of obscenities are still floating around those vaulted ceiling.
 
Grizfan 24, i agree with your philosophy, Implementing the concept for one game is a problem. It presents conceptual problems that simply cannot be coached and perfected within the 4 practice days between games. We have to defend with basic responsibilities, and have the right pegs in the right holes. Go Griz
 
AllWeatherFan said:
UNDSU gave up a single stinkin' field goal to these clowns. Watch the video of that game and do what UNDSU did. Simple.

Well not exactly what they did. Let 'em score a field goal?

#slackers
 
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