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TRIPLE OPTION
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Here is SI on the triple option:
https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/09/27/triple-option-offense-army-georgia-tech?utm_campaign=si-daily&utm_source=si.com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=2018092810AM&eminfo=%7b%22EMAIL%22%3a%22Q0alvGyZK5xxnHX%2fLDN9Ii%2fFynA36I9L3ocalZtETZo%3d%22%2c%22BRAND%22%3a%22SI%22%2c%22CONTENT%22%3a%22Newsletter%22%2c%22UID%22%3a%22SI_DLY_1D226177-8148-4AC6-A321-BDB2840B8EF3%22%2c%22SUBID%22%3a%22109591208%22%2c%22JOBID%22%3a%22890143%22%2c%22NEWSLETTER%22%3a%22SPORTS_ILLUSTRATED_DAILY%22%2c%22ZIP%22%3a%22%22%2c%22COUNTRY%22%3a%22CAN%22%7d
https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/09/27/triple-option-offense-army-georgia-tech?utm_campaign=si-daily&utm_source=si.com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=2018092810AM&eminfo=%7b%22EMAIL%22%3a%22Q0alvGyZK5xxnHX%2fLDN9Ii%2fFynA36I9L3ocalZtETZo%3d%22%2c%22BRAND%22%3a%22SI%22%2c%22CONTENT%22%3a%22Newsletter%22%2c%22UID%22%3a%22SI_DLY_1D226177-8148-4AC6-A321-BDB2840B8EF3%22%2c%22SUBID%22%3a%22109591208%22%2c%22JOBID%22%3a%22890143%22%2c%22NEWSLETTER%22%3a%22SPORTS_ILLUSTRATED_DAILY%22%2c%22ZIP%22%3a%22%22%2c%22COUNTRY%22%3a%22CAN%22%7d
Colter_Nuanez56
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mcg said:
The same day Andrew Houghton writes about the triple option haha...
Deliberate, physical Cal Poly triple option will challenge Griz
https://skylinesportsmt.com/deliberate-physical-cal-poly-triple-option-will-challenge-griz/
Grisly Fan
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I say it every year, I HATE, HATE, HATE the triple option. I hate watching it and I especially hate when the Griz have to play against it. There is a good reason it is consider an "equalizer". It enables a mediocre team to hang with very good teams and even beat them occasionally. And a good TO team is simply a nightmare (that I have after falling asleep while watching a TO team play). It is sometimes effective and always boring.
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signedbewildered said:
Exactly, bewildered. Bobby won't put up with a special teams score by Poly!
While Poly is by definition a triple option team (Dive, QB, Pitch) they operate a bit closer to the Tubby Raymond wing-t world than a Tom Osborne dive option team from Nebraska. What makes the wing-t concept so difficult is that they have 2001 answers to most front alignments.
Really it begins and ends with Line calls and some blocking concepts (On-Reach-Over) and the ability to run the same play to different shades of the same gap. When I was running the 4-4 a lot I loved running a lot of wide alignment versus wing-t (DT's ouside eye OG) and pinching the A gap hard, and when we faced talented Wing-T teams we got hammered down blocks and off tackle buck sweep (A-B Guard Pull) OT seals the DT with a down and a Kick block by the front pull guy. Inside counter scares the bejesus out of me. type that into google/youtube. That'll give you nightmares for weeks and lead you to damaging your liver.
The best success I have had in front alignment is varying as much as I could to not be predictable up front and trying to set up stunt/blitz combos into mesh points. If you can bubble the mesh points, you stand a good chance at flubbering them up and forces TFL's. I prefer to have DL to try to crease more than trying to play paralell to the line of scrimmage. For me at the HS level, i think trying to stalemate creates more problems than it solves. I think coaches need to be true to themselves and their scheme, because this is a unicorn offense and you can't replicate well in practice.
Really it begins and ends with Line calls and some blocking concepts (On-Reach-Over) and the ability to run the same play to different shades of the same gap. When I was running the 4-4 a lot I loved running a lot of wide alignment versus wing-t (DT's ouside eye OG) and pinching the A gap hard, and when we faced talented Wing-T teams we got hammered down blocks and off tackle buck sweep (A-B Guard Pull) OT seals the DT with a down and a Kick block by the front pull guy. Inside counter scares the bejesus out of me. type that into google/youtube. That'll give you nightmares for weeks and lead you to damaging your liver.
The best success I have had in front alignment is varying as much as I could to not be predictable up front and trying to set up stunt/blitz combos into mesh points. If you can bubble the mesh points, you stand a good chance at flubbering them up and forces TFL's. I prefer to have DL to try to crease more than trying to play paralell to the line of scrimmage. For me at the HS level, i think trying to stalemate creates more problems than it solves. I think coaches need to be true to themselves and their scheme, because this is a unicorn offense and you can't replicate well in practice.
rocklobster
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Griz#64 said:
Piece of cake!
San Diego State (Hauck's team last year) played a post season game against Army, called the Armed Forces Bowl. Anyone else remember that?
I watched that game, hoping that San Diego would have an answer for the triple option, so that Hauck could bring it home with him to UM. Army ended up winning 42-35. That final score is misleading, though, because Army absolutely crushed the TOP with 46 full minutes of offensive control, and had their way with the SD defense all day. That score should have looked a LOT worse, but SD RBs broke away for 3 really long TD runs in the early part of the game. The biggest takeaway here, is that the defense NEVER got off the field, and by the 4th quarter they were just beat down to nothing.
Granted, Bobby was the ST coach, so he didn't have any sort of control of the D. However, you have to think that if he did have a plan, they would have had a meeting and considered it as part of the playbook, right? If he did see something during the game that could have been adjusted to, he would have brought it to the HC and DCs attention, right?
I watched that game, hoping that San Diego would have an answer for the triple option, so that Hauck could bring it home with him to UM. Army ended up winning 42-35. That final score is misleading, though, because Army absolutely crushed the TOP with 46 full minutes of offensive control, and had their way with the SD defense all day. That score should have looked a LOT worse, but SD RBs broke away for 3 really long TD runs in the early part of the game. The biggest takeaway here, is that the defense NEVER got off the field, and by the 4th quarter they were just beat down to nothing.
Granted, Bobby was the ST coach, so he didn't have any sort of control of the D. However, you have to think that if he did have a plan, they would have had a meeting and considered it as part of the playbook, right? If he did see something during the game that could have been adjusted to, he would have brought it to the HC and DCs attention, right?
Griz 24: I believe Texas implemented the (split 6, or the 37 with dt outside shade OG, and De in a 7 shade(inside eye of TE's). Backers aligned head up OG. This alignment forced the reach block, which is the most difficult and least effective block for any lineman, especially with the Cut Block penalties being assessed today. It also protected LB'ers Kinda neat that Bill Yoeman was given some credit. (as a side Bar,I attend a week of U H practices back in 1967) unfortunately we did not have the kids to run the Veer. I attended the Henry Franka Clinic when Ballard lectured on the wishbone. What a great clinic. John McKay,When He had OJ, Eddie Crowder,(when he had Hale Irwin as a DB, Woody Hayes, Jim Carlin, Tony Mason,(Michigan) Jim Wacker. Melvin Robertson( fire spitting defensive Coach),etc... Go Griz
IdaGriz01
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We watched that game too. Obviously, the Army rushing attack was memorable. But on the other side, I remember two things. First, Rashad Penney, by himself, rushed for a boatload of yards (around 225) and scored 4 TDs (averaged nearly 16 yards per carry). Second, SDSU had over 200 yards in KO returns, averaging about 33 yards per return. (Penny was part of that too.) The return setups were fascinating to watch, and each time you had the feeling the guy might have gone all the way ... with just one missed tackle or extra block.IVLIANVS said:
I think you have a feel and idea of how to attack wing-t and option or you don't. In as much as I am a big believer that scheme gets you 3/4ers the way there, I have worked with guys who had no clue how to make calls in games. I have run four different schemes over the years, and sometimes it comes down to what type of feel you have for what the opposition likes to do within the scheme.
A few times I have been able to call plays out before they run them, and others you are making a front and stunt call that is almost blind. Basically my philosophy is you hope to stunt into them once or twice a drive where you flubber something up.
Again one of the fundamental problems in facing wing t teams is that generally they can audible both side and gap without changing the play call. So you get the play call right and they can still get you.
A few times I have been able to call plays out before they run them, and others you are making a front and stunt call that is almost blind. Basically my philosophy is you hope to stunt into them once or twice a drive where you flubber something up.
Again one of the fundamental problems in facing wing t teams is that generally they can audible both side and gap without changing the play call. So you get the play call right and they can still get you.