Trieweiler Represents Rob Ash? Conflict?

[GrizMusician]

Serious question... does Trieweiler = eGriz's esteemed tnt?

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2

 

[getgrizzy]

So TT, who didn't attend UM for either undergrad or law school, does a guest editorial, bashing UM and providing supposedly specific information. Given the number of inaccuracies and bias, I wonder if the Missoulian and Florio fed him this information. I hope Williams didn't feed him all of this incorrect information. If so, that would be further evidence that Williams has lost it and shouldn't be a regent.

I wonder what Bobcat fans would think if a friend and lawyer for Delaney (perhaps someone who knew from football at Western) wrote a guest editorial bashing the Bobcat program and full of inaccuracies--without disclosing, of course, the relationship with Delaney?

Here's an edited version of a prior post from another thread, pointing the inaccuracies in the TT editorial.

TT doesn't know what he's talking about on the subject of Griz football.

Wilson was acquitted of murder (12-0 with a prior hung jury that voted 11-1 in favor of acquittal)--for lack of evidence and self-defense. He had come to his aunt's house after learning that her gang-member boyfriend had beat her unconscious with a hammer and urinated on here. It's surprising that anyone from Montana would see that as an indication of thuggery.

Freeman didn't necessarily witness the Wilson incident. I read that he stayed in the car, and it was dark. If someone is a potential co-conspirator, any lawyer would advice him not to talk to the police, which is what his lawyer apparently did. Note that the prosecution never even called him to testify in the trial, which they clearly could have done. Yes, Freeman had other incidents. However, he was acquitted of one, and was actually off the team when he was charged with that, and before the other incidents.

Johnson/Swink didn't violently assault another student. This was part of series of skirmishes that night. The kid, who I don't believe was a student at the time, didn't go to the police (presumably because he knew he was partially at fault and he was a stand-up guy).

Johnson/Kemp didn't obstruct a police officer. That incident ended in disorderly conduct. There were allegations of police misconduct.

Donaldson, correct. Still doesn't mean he was or is a thug. He made a big mistake.

The alleged gang rape (blow jobs) was never charged, and players ultimately won their honor court hearing 7-0 and were allowed to graduate.

There was never a UM admission that a number of players were involved in sexual assaults. The dean and perhaps Engstrom made what turned out to be incorrect statements, but I don't believe ever said players were actually involved in sexual assaults. The dean was a train wreck on sexual assault matters, and misjudged and mishandled virtually every one that has been made public, including the Saudi one.

The recent beating of the store clerk was not done by a former player with a history of problems. The former player with some problems was minimally involved when he allowed his car to be used, or drove his car, with the cash register to an apartment, but he was not involved in the incident that occurred the prior evening.

What other violent assaults of women involving some of these same players? Maybe Freeman, and I believe Parks may be married to the girlfriend who initially made an allegation.

How much false information and false innuendo can one person fit in a Missoulian editorial? Apparently, alot.

who's story has more holes yours or trieweiler's?
speaking of failing to be forthcoming with all his background, you leave out that our football team has been involved in some sort of legal or team issue 50 times in the past 5 years and three months. That's almost 10 times per year!!!! sure some of these had been plea bargained down, but you're higher than 10 hippies at a grateful dead show if you think trieweiler is exaggerating as much as you are.

there was no evidence that smoot beat wilson's sister with a hammer or urinated on her. the murder weapon was never found. wilson fled the scene. freeman was with him. the entire football team was told not to talk to the police who came to missoula. wilson came back to missoula and bit a girl on the leg, o'day took a photo of it to the missoulian to try to exonerate wilson. just a total mismanagement of a situation from top to bottom. what we should be asking is what did wilson have on o'day?

johnson and swink did violently assault someone. they combined to assault someone and when they had him down they kicked him in the head and broke his jaw. it was kept under wraps until the kaimen found out and asked questions and they were belittled and blackballed by hauck for it. the kaimen, of course, like florio, engstrom, van valkenburg, the d.o.j., the n.c.a.a., the j.j. accuser, any prosecutor, and so on was flogged by you and many more on egriz.

donaldson raped someone. gee, sorry, but you're beyond a thug for that. you and datsopolous are quite frankly sick in the head for thinking otherwise.

there were two incidents of alleged gang rape. one, involving four players, was taken to the police and they didn't press charges, but it is the impetus of the d.o.j. investigation. you say it was ruled 7-0 in favor of the players in the honor court, but you show nothing that proves that. the other, involving two players, also went to the honor court, but you're leaving out what happened to those players.

 

[grizpack]

I am pretty sure that it was acknowledged that Smoot did beat Jimmy's aunt or sister with a hammer. However, the argument was that it didn't happen to him, so it wasn't self defense.

 

[grizrgood]

So TT, who didn't attend UM for either undergrad or law school, does a guest editorial, bashing UM and providing supposedly specific information. Given the number of inaccuracies and bias, I wonder if the Missoulian and Florio fed him this information. I hope Williams didn't feed him all of this incorrect information. If so, that would be further evidence that Williams has lost it and shouldn't be a regent.

I wonder what Bobcat fans would think if a friend and lawyer for Delaney (perhaps someone who knew from football at Western) wrote a guest editorial bashing the Bobcat program and full of inaccuracies--without disclosing, of course, the relationship with Delaney?

Here's an edited version of a prior post from another thread, pointing the inaccuracies in the TT editorial.

TT doesn't know what he's talking about on the subject of Griz football.

Wilson was acquitted of murder (12-0 with a prior hung jury that voted 11-1 in favor of acquittal)--for lack of evidence and self-defense. He had come to his aunt's house after learning that her gang-member boyfriend had beat her unconscious with a hammer and urinated on here. It's surprising that anyone from Montana would see that as an indication of thuggery.

Freeman didn't necessarily witness the Wilson incident. I read that he stayed in the car, and it was dark. If someone is a potential co-conspirator, any lawyer would advice him not to talk to the police, which is what his lawyer apparently did. Note that the prosecution never even called him to testify in the trial, which they clearly could have done. Yes, Freeman had other incidents. However, he was acquitted of one, and was actually off the team when he was charged with that, and before the other incidents.

Johnson/Swink didn't violently assault another student. This was part of series of skirmishes that night. The kid, who I don't believe was a student at the time, didn't go to the police (presumably because he knew he was partially at fault and he was a stand-up guy).

Johnson/Kemp didn't obstruct a police officer. That incident ended in disorderly conduct. There were allegations of police misconduct.

Donaldson, correct. Still doesn't mean he was or is a thug. He made a big mistake.

The alleged gang rape (blow jobs) was never charged, and players ultimately won their honor court hearing 7-0 and were allowed to graduate.

There was never a UM admission that a number of players were involved in sexual assaults. The dean and perhaps Engstrom made what turned out to be incorrect statements, but I don't believe ever said players were actually involved in sexual assaults. The dean was a train wreck on sexual assault matters, and misjudged and mishandled virtually every one that has been made public, including the Saudi one.

The recent beating of the store clerk was not done by a former player with a history of problems. The former player with some problems was minimally involved when he allowed his car to be used, or drove his car, with the cash register to an apartment, but he was not involved in the incident that occurred the prior evening.

What other violent assaults of women involving some of these same players? Maybe Freeman, and I believe Parks may be married to the girlfriend who initially made an allegation.

How much false information and false innuendo can one person fit in a Missoulian editorial? Apparently, alot.

who's story has more holes yours or trieweiler's?
speaking of failing to be forthcoming with all his background, you leave out that our football team has been involved in some sort of legal or team issue 50 times in the past 5 years and three months. That's almost 10 times per year!!!! sure some of these had been plea bargained down, but you're higher than 10 hippies at a grateful dead show if you think trieweiler is exaggerating as much as you are.

there was no evidence that smoot beat wilson's sister with a hammer or urinated on her. the murder weapon was never found. wilson fled the scene. freeman was with him. the entire football team was told not to talk to the police who came to missoula. wilson came back to missoula and bit a girl on the leg, o'day took a photo of it to the missoulian to try to exonerate wilson. just a total mismanagement of a situation from top to bottom. what we should be asking is what did wilson have on o'day?

johnson and swink did violently assault someone. they combined to assault someone and when they had him down they kicked him in the head and broke his jaw. it was kept under wraps until the kaimen found out and asked questions and they were belittled and blackballed by hauck for it. the kaimen, of course, like florio, engstrom, van valkenburg, the d.o.j., the n.c.a.a., the j.j. accuser, any prosecutor, and so on was flogged by you and many more on egriz.

donaldson raped someone. gee, sorry, but you're beyond a thug for that. you and datsopolous are quite frankly sick in the head for thinking otherwise.

there were two incidents of alleged gang rape. one, involving four players, was taken to the police and they didn't press charges, but it is the impetus of the d.o.j. investigation. you say it was ruled 7-0 in favor of the players in the honor court, but you show nothing that proves that. the other, involving two players, also went to the honor court, but you're leaving out what happened to those players.

:roll: I'm so sick of all this sh*t! I don't read too many of these types of posts anymore but absolutely am done from this point forward!

In the words of the late upstanding citizen Rodney King, "can't we all just get along"?

 

[Blondbear]

What I can't figure out is why Ash got arguably one of the worst attorneys in Montana (unless you get hit by a train)

Normally good attorneys (or even bad ones) won't put their name on an opinion piece assuming it will greatly diminish their customer pool.

BTW Granite I'd sooner you thought I was a democrat than Treiweiler.......

TnT, you and TT are both textbooks narcissists.

 

[tnt]

What I can't figure out is why Ash got arguably one of the worst attorneys in Montana (unless you get hit by a train)

Normally good attorneys (or even bad ones) won't put their name on an opinion piece assuming it will greatly diminish their customer pool.

BTW Granite I'd sooner you thought I was a democrat than Treiweiler.......

TnT, you and TT are both textbooks narcissists.

You apparently are unaware of Treiweilers LONG history of political lackeyism in Montana. Trouble is he wasn't very succesful. (thank heavens) He was sent to the supreme court to protect the gravy train of work comp settlements a number of his ilk were dependent upon. This was after the legislature FINALLY put an end to it. But not before we ended up with some of the highest Work Comp rates in the nation and as result a very unfriendly business climate. That little work comp debacle was much a nail in the coffin of forrest products as anything ever was. A lot of attorneys made a lot of money, their clients didn't do so well. Williams trotting him out after is welcome absence is pitiful at best.

You on the other hand need to take a second psych course before you go about diagnosing fictitious personalities on the internet.

 

[PlayerRep]

So TT, who didn't attend UM for either undergrad or law school, does a guest editorial, bashing UM and providing supposedly specific information. Given the number of inaccuracies and bias, I wonder if the Missoulian and Florio fed him this information. I hope Williams didn't feed him all of this incorrect information. If so, that would be further evidence that Williams has lost it and shouldn't be a regent.

I wonder what Bobcat fans would think if a friend and lawyer for Delaney (perhaps someone who knew from football at Western) wrote a guest editorial bashing the Bobcat program and full of inaccuracies--without disclosing, of course, the relationship with Delaney?

Here's an edited version of a prior post from another thread, pointing the inaccuracies in the TT editorial.

TT doesn't know what he's talking about on the subject of Griz football.

Wilson was acquitted of murder (12-0 with a prior hung jury that voted 11-1 in favor of acquittal)--for lack of evidence and self-defense. He had come to his aunt's house after learning that her gang-member boyfriend had beat her unconscious with a hammer and urinated on here. It's surprising that anyone from Montana would see that as an indication of thuggery.

Freeman didn't necessarily witness the Wilson incident. I read that he stayed in the car, and it was dark. If someone is a potential co-conspirator, any lawyer would advice him not to talk to the police, which is what his lawyer apparently did. Note that the prosecution never even called him to testify in the trial, which they clearly could have done. Yes, Freeman had other incidents. However, he was acquitted of one, and was actually off the team when he was charged with that, and before the other incidents.

Johnson/Swink didn't violently assault another student. This was part of series of skirmishes that night. The kid, who I don't believe was a student at the time, didn't go to the police (presumably because he knew he was partially at fault and he was a stand-up guy).

Johnson/Kemp didn't obstruct a police officer. That incident ended in disorderly conduct. There were allegations of police misconduct.

Donaldson, correct. Still doesn't mean he was or is a thug. He made a big mistake.

The alleged gang rape (blow jobs) was never charged, and players ultimately won their honor court hearing 7-0 and were allowed to graduate.

There was never a UM admission that a number of players were involved in sexual assaults. The dean and perhaps Engstrom made what turned out to be incorrect statements, but I don't believe ever said players were actually involved in sexual assaults. The dean was a train wreck on sexual assault matters, and misjudged and mishandled virtually every one that has been made public, including the Saudi one.

The recent beating of the store clerk was not done by a former player with a history of problems. The former player with some problems was minimally involved when he allowed his car to be used, or drove his car, with the cash register to an apartment, but he was not involved in the incident that occurred the prior evening.

What other violent assaults of women involving some of these same players? Maybe Freeman, and I believe Parks may be married to the girlfriend who initially made an allegation.

How much false information and false innuendo can one person fit in a Missoulian editorial? Apparently, alot.

who's story has more holes yours or trieweiler's?
speaking of failing to be forthcoming with all his background, you leave out that our football team has been involved in some sort of legal or team issue 50 times in the past 5 years and three months. That's almost 10 times per year!!!! sure some of these had been plea bargained down, but you're higher than 10 hippies at a grateful dead show if you think trieweiler is exaggerating as much as you are.

there was no evidence that smoot beat wilson's sister with a hammer or urinated on her. the murder weapon was never found. wilson fled the scene. freeman was with him. the entire football team was told not to talk to the police who came to missoula. wilson came back to missoula and bit a girl on the leg, o'day took a photo of it to the missoulian to try to exonerate wilson. just a total mismanagement of a situation from top to bottom. what we should be asking is what did wilson have on o'day?

johnson and swink did violently assault someone. they combined to assault someone and when they had him down they kicked him in the head and broke his jaw. it was kept under wraps until the kaimen found out and asked questions and they were belittled and blackballed by hauck for it. the kaimen, of course, like florio, engstrom, van valkenburg, the d.o.j., the n.c.a.a., the j.j. accuser, any prosecutor, and so on was flogged by you and many more on egriz.

donaldson raped someone. gee, sorry, but you're beyond a thug for that. you and datsopolous are quite frankly sick in the head for thinking otherwise.

there were two incidents of alleged gang rape. one, involving four players, was taken to the police and they didn't press charges, but it is the impetus of the d.o.j. investigation. you say it was ruled 7-0 in favor of the players in the honor court, but you show nothing that proves that. the other, involving two players, also went to the honor court, but you're leaving out what happened to those players.

Once again, virtually everything you said is not correct. You are a huge liar.

1. I was addressing only TT's mistakes. Now, I will address your mistakes--actually lies.

2. It is absolutely true that Smoot beat up Wilson's aunt, and as described. The football team was not told not to cooperate. In fact, they were encouraged to cooperate.

3. It is not true that UM had 50 legal/team issues in 5 years. You just made that up, and that has been debunked previously.

4. O'Day didn't take the photo to the Missoulian. They had a meeting, and O'Day had his entire file on the subject with him. With the reduced charge and tiny fine, the initial charge all but disappeared.

5. No, Johnson/Swink did not violently assault someone. It was part of a series of skirmishes. The kid's step mom worked for me at the time. I talked to her about this subject multiple times. No charges were even brought or considered.

6. The ncaa did not come to UM because of any gang rape situation or any sexual assault. The focus was on another matter or other matters. They apparently didn't even ask much about sexual assault.

7. It is absolutely true that players won their honor court hearing 7-0, and both seniors were allowed to graduate. Multiple people on the board can confirm this. Several players left UM, so I don't think there was ever a honor code violation charge brought against them. However, if they had had one and had protested it, they too would have won--presumably 7-0.

You can try to tell all the lies you want, but that won't make them true.

 

[getgrizzy]

So TT, who didn't attend UM for either undergrad or law school, does a guest editorial, bashing UM and providing supposedly specific information. Given the number of inaccuracies and bias, I wonder if the Missoulian and Florio fed him this information. I hope Williams didn't feed him all of this incorrect information. If so, that would be further evidence that Williams has lost it and shouldn't be a regent.

I wonder what Bobcat fans would think if a friend and lawyer for Delaney (perhaps someone who knew from football at Western) wrote a guest editorial bashing the Bobcat program and full of inaccuracies--without disclosing, of course, the relationship with Delaney?

Here's an edited version of a prior post from another thread, pointing the inaccuracies in the TT editorial.

TT doesn't know what he's talking about on the subject of Griz football.

Wilson was acquitted of murder (12-0 with a prior hung jury that voted 11-1 in favor of acquittal)--for lack of evidence and self-defense. He had come to his aunt's house after learning that her gang-member boyfriend had beat her unconscious with a hammer and urinated on here. It's surprising that anyone from Montana would see that as an indication of thuggery.

Freeman didn't necessarily witness the Wilson incident. I read that he stayed in the car, and it was dark. If someone is a potential co-conspirator, any lawyer would advice him not to talk to the police, which is what his lawyer apparently did. Note that the prosecution never even called him to testify in the trial, which they clearly could have done. Yes, Freeman had other incidents. However, he was acquitted of one, and was actually off the team when he was charged with that, and before the other incidents.

Johnson/Swink didn't violently assault another student. This was part of series of skirmishes that night. The kid, who I don't believe was a student at the time, didn't go to the police (presumably because he knew he was partially at fault and he was a stand-up guy).

Johnson/Kemp didn't obstruct a police officer. That incident ended in disorderly conduct. There were allegations of police misconduct.

Donaldson, correct. Still doesn't mean he was or is a thug. He made a big mistake.

The alleged gang rape (blow jobs) was never charged, and players ultimately won their honor court hearing 7-0 and were allowed to graduate.

There was never a UM admission that a number of players were involved in sexual assaults. The dean and perhaps Engstrom made what turned out to be incorrect statements, but I don't believe ever said players were actually involved in sexual assaults. The dean was a train wreck on sexual assault matters, and misjudged and mishandled virtually every one that has been made public, including the Saudi one.

The recent beating of the store clerk was not done by a former player with a history of problems. The former player with some problems was minimally involved when he allowed his car to be used, or drove his car, with the cash register to an apartment, but he was not involved in the incident that occurred the prior evening.

What other violent assaults of women involving some of these same players? Maybe Freeman, and I believe Parks may be married to the girlfriend who initially made an allegation.

How much false information and false innuendo can one person fit in a Missoulian editorial? Apparently, alot.

who's story has more holes yours or trieweiler's?
speaking of failing to be forthcoming with all his background, you leave out that our football team has been involved in some sort of legal or team issue 50 times in the past 5 years and three months. That's almost 10 times per year!!!! sure some of these had been plea bargained down, but you're higher than 10 hippies at a grateful dead show if you think trieweiler is exaggerating as much as you are.

there was no evidence that smoot beat wilson's sister with a hammer or urinated on her. the murder weapon was never found. wilson fled the scene. freeman was with him. the entire football team was told not to talk to the police who came to missoula. wilson came back to missoula and bit a girl on the leg, o'day took a photo of it to the missoulian to try to exonerate wilson. just a total mismanagement of a situation from top to bottom. what we should be asking is what did wilson have on o'day?

johnson and swink did violently assault someone. they combined to assault someone and when they had him down they kicked him in the head and broke his jaw. it was kept under wraps until the kaimen found out and asked questions and they were belittled and blackballed by hauck for it. the kaimen, of course, like florio, engstrom, van valkenburg, the d.o.j., the n.c.a.a., the j.j. accuser, any prosecutor, and so on was flogged by you and many more on egriz.

donaldson raped someone. gee, sorry, but you're beyond a thug for that. you and datsopolous are quite frankly sick in the head for thinking otherwise.

there were two incidents of alleged gang rape. one, involving four players, was taken to the police and they didn't press charges, but it is the impetus of the d.o.j. investigation. you say it was ruled 7-0 in favor of the players in the honor court, but you show nothing that proves that. the other, involving two players, also went to the honor court, but you're leaving out what happened to those players.

Once again, virtually everything you said is not correct. You are a huge liar.

1. I was addressing only TT's mistakes. Now, I will address your mistakes--actually lies.

2. It is absolutely true that Smoot beat up Wilson's aunt, and as described. The football team was not told not to cooperate. In fact, they were encouraged to cooperate.

3. It is not true that UM had 50 legal/team issues in 5 years. You just made that up, and that has been debunked previously.

4. O'Day didn't take the photo to the Missoulian. They had a meeting, and O'Day had his entire file on the subject with him. With the reduced charge and tiny fine, the initial charge all but disappeared.

5. No, Johnson/Swink did not violently assault someone. It was part of a series of skirmishes. The kid's step mom worked for me at the time. I talked to her about this subject multiple times. No charges were even brought or considered.

6. The ncaa did not come to UM because of any gang rape situation or any sexual assault. The focus was on another matter or other matters. They apparently didn't even ask much about sexual assault.

7. It is absolutely true that players won their honor court hearing 7-0, and both seniors were allowed to graduate. Multiple people on the board can confirm this. Several players left UM, so I don't think there was ever a honor code violation charge brought against them. However, if they had had one and had protested it, they too would have won--presumably 7-0.

You can try to tell all the lies you want, but that won't make them true.

you're being ridiculous. you make every effort you can to sugarcoat and place blame elsewhere on nearly every issue that occurs here. your only success has been that you've played a role in creating the sour environment that surrounds this team. you only apply your legal acumen in an effort to defend our players, never to give an angle on both sides of a story.

1. the only evidence presented about smoot beating up wilson's aunt leading up to the killing was her testimony. there was no physical evidence to that point. no weapon found. no one other than jimmy's aunt testified that smoot owned a weapon of that type. wilson and freeman fled the scene. freeman didn't get called to the stand by the defense or the prosecution. what does that tell you? don't bother i'll tell you what it tells you. it tells you that we had such an incredible flake on our team that no one trusted his word as a witness. he could've taken the stand and said that jimmy didn't have a gun, but the defense couldn't even count on him to do that.

2. the team did not cooperate. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2912873" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rubino said investigators were following up on leads they received from witnesses in California -- and to interview players on UM's football team.

"It left a bad taste in our mouth that the players wouldn't cooperate with us. If it was on the other foot and their teammate got killed, they would be really forthcoming," said Rubino, who returned to Los Angeles on Wednesday night. "Someone got murdered here and we're just looking for some cooperation."

The Missoulian was unable to locate Freeman for a comment on the murder investigation.

UM executive vice president Jim Foley would not comment on Freeman's status on the football team, or about UM football players' unwillingness to cooperate with the Los Angeles homicide investigators.

3. i've shown the list of legal/team issues on here before, yet you continue to try to say it never happened. you can't change history. i'm not going to post the list again because i don't like to drag their names through whatever the did again. if anyone wants it you can p.m. me.
4. o'day called the meeting. he showed the missoulian the photo of the injured girl's leg in an attempt to make it look trivial. it was completely unneccesary and made o'day look like someone who would try to sugar coat things to keep players on the field.
5. o.f.f.s. assault is a nice way of putting it, but if your prefer brutally beat, ganged up on and curb-stomped that's fine. it was two guys (football players) against one preppy. they broke his jaw.
6. never said the n.c.a.a. came to u.m. over rape. the d.o.j. investigation was prompted by the girl who said she was raped by four players, but the accusation wasn't pursued by police.
7. there has never been anything public made of the four players honor court hearing or if it even occured. the case of the other two players was never taken to the police and nothing has been made public on it by the university. if they were all leaving school, then u.m. probably just left it at that.
8. in case you're too delusional to realize it, you calling someone a liar doesn't advance anything you say.

 

[granitegriz]

getgrizzy~you lost all credibility with me with no. 1. I don't care what facts you know about the Wilson case, but a jury found him not guilty. Move on! Get over it! You have bias too so don't forget that. You on the Missoula PD?

 

[Umista]

Yeah, getgrizzley you must work (or attempt) at getting a life.

Telling bobcat lies on the Griz board make you even more dumb than you write! Ugh!

Get over on your rob ash is God news letter and take a real deep breath!

 

[Raider]

getgrizzy~you lost all credibility with me with no. 1. I don't care what facts you know about the Wilson case, but a jury found him not guilty. Move on! Get over it! You have bias too so don't forget that. You on the Missoula PD?

Exactly.

Do I agree with playerreps’s stance on these sorts of things? No, but he is no better or worse than the agenda-driven garbage spewed on the other side by these liars.

Northwestweasel, getgrizzy, etc…..dime a dozen.

 

[PlayerRep]

Addressing getgrizzy's last post:

1. On the Wilson stuff, I see that you admitted that there was testimony that Smoot beat up the aunt, and that Smoot owned an assault rifle. Thanks for admitting what I had already said. Note that one of his prior two felonies involved ownership of an illegal assault rifle. Thanks for admitting that the prosecution didn't call Freeman to testify. Presumably, because they knew he would support the defense. The defense didn't call Freeman, because he was in jail at the time, and the prosecution would likely have had him wearing an orange jumpsuit and perhaps wearing shackles--and that doesn't make a witness look credible the jury.

2. You said the "entire football team was told not to talk to the police". That wasn't true, as you well know. The quote you showed, doesn't support what you said. It merely says that one investigator said the players wouldn't cooperate. They didn't have any obligation to talk to the investigators.

3. As I said, your previously posted list of player issues was woefully inaccurate, and has been debunked on multiple occasions.

4. First, you don't know who called the meeting. Second, the meeting was called by the Missoulian to discuss advertising matters. Because The Missoulian was covering the Wilson matter, this subject came up in the meeting. In any event, there's nothing wrong with the university or anyone explaining to the press, what a minor incident that was. That's what good press relations are about.

5. The kid in the incident outside the frat was neither a preppy or nor a student. He's Irish and a pretty tough kid. Again, I know what occurred. No brutal assault.

6. You don't know what prompted the DOJ investigation. In any event, the investigation didn't result in any issues of significance for the university, and none for the athletic program, is what I've heard.

7. Again, just because you're not in the know, doesn't mean that the honor code hearing didn't turn out 7-0 for players. Again, various people on the message board can confirm what I said, and what others have said previously.

Man, you really struck out on these things. 0-7. Glad others are now seeing and posting what a loser you are.

 

[getgrizzy]

Addressing getgrizzy's last post:

1. On the Wilson stuff, I see that you admitted that there was testimony that Smoot beat up the aunt, and that Smoot owned an assault rifle. Thanks for admitting what I had already said. Note that one of his prior two felonies involved ownership of an illegal assault rifle. Thanks for admitting that the prosecution didn't call Freeman to testify. Presumably, because they knew he would support the defense. The defense didn't call Freeman, because he was in jail at the time, and the prosecution would likely have had him wearing an orange jumpsuit and perhaps wearing shackles--and that doesn't make a witness look credible the jury.

2. You said the "entire football team was told not to talk to the police". That wasn't true, as you well know. The quote you showed, doesn't support what you said. It merely says that one investigator said the players wouldn't cooperate. They didn't have any obligation to talk to the investigators.

3. As I said, your previously posted list of player issues was woefully inaccurate, and has been debunked on multiple occasions.

4. You don't know who called the meeting. The press was contacting O'Day for comment. In any event, there's nothing wrong with the university or anyone explaining to the press, what a minor incident that was. That's what good press relations is about.

5. The kid in the incident outside the frat was neither a preppy or nor a student. He's Irish and a pretty tough kid. Again, I know what occurred. No brutal assault.

6. You don't know what prompted the DOJ investigation. In any event, the investigation didn't result in any issues of significance for the university, and none for the athletic program, is what I've heard.

7. Again, just because you're not in the know, doesn't mean that the honor code hearing didn't turn out 7-0 for players. Again, various people on the message board can confirm what I said, and what others have said previously.

Man, you really struck out on these things. 0-7. Glad others are now seeing and posting what a loser you are.

1. yes, the only evidence about what she said, which she changed from her original statement, was her testimony. other witnesses told the police that wilson brought a rifle to smoots home. thanks for acknowledging that the weapon wasn't found and that freeman would've made a lousy witness for the defense.

2. they didn't all individually decide not to talk to the police. that's a coincidence only you could make up.

3. the list isn't inaccurate at all. there have been roughly 10 players per year on average get in trouble with either the law or the school. it's a trend. it needs to be curtailed.

4. thanks for agreeing that o'day tried to do some p.r. to sugarcoat the event.

5. thanks for agreeing that they curb-stomped him. the kid thinks he's tough and you think he's tough, that doesn't mean he is. not very many people are tough enough to beat up two football players. not very many people curb stomp someone, but t.j. and swink did.

6. the d.o.j. was contacted by the girl, and/or people representing her on her request, claiming to have been drugged and raped by the four players. that was the initial contact to the d.o.j. that incident is part of the d.o.j. investigation and could ultimately lead to n.c.a.a. sanctions.

7. just because you're in the know doesn't mean the honor court ruling wasn't 0-7. you could've just been told that because you're commonly known to frequent places like egriz and will always get any info out that will excuse, exonerate or acquit any player regardless of the act. a patsy.

yeah, i really thought everyone on the board would agree with everything i'm saying. i'm just shocked that anyone has tried to refute anything i've said. :lol: :clap: :lol: your last sentence ("haha, everyone is on my side...na-na-na-naaaaa-na") sounded like a grade school kid.

i do enjoy how you take everything written literally when it's convenient for your argument. "it wasn't 50 players in 5 years and 3 months, it was 49 in 5 years and 1 month, so you're a liar." "it didn't say no one told the players they couldn't talk to the investigators, it said the players refused to talk to the detective, so you lied. admit it you're a liar." :lol: :lol: is that how you win cases? :clap:

 

[PlayerRep]

Addressing getgrizzy's last post:

1. On the Wilson stuff, I see that you admitted that there was testimony that Smoot beat up the aunt, and that Smoot owned an assault rifle. Thanks for admitting what I had already said. Note that one of his prior two felonies involved ownership of an illegal assault rifle. Thanks for admitting that the prosecution didn't call Freeman to testify. Presumably, because they knew he would support the defense. The defense didn't call Freeman, because he was in jail at the time, and the prosecution would likely have had him wearing an orange jumpsuit and perhaps wearing shackles--and that doesn't make a witness look credible the jury.

2. You said the "entire football team was told not to talk to the police". That wasn't true, as you well know. The quote you showed, doesn't support what you said. It merely says that one investigator said the players wouldn't cooperate. They didn't have any obligation to talk to the investigators.

3. As I said, your previously posted list of player issues was woefully inaccurate, and has been debunked on multiple occasions.

4. You don't know who called the meeting. The press was contacting O'Day for comment. In any event, there's nothing wrong with the university or anyone explaining to the press, what a minor incident that was. That's what good press relations is about.

5. The kid in the incident outside the frat was neither a preppy or nor a student. He's Irish and a pretty tough kid. Again, I know what occurred. No brutal assault.

6. You don't know what prompted the DOJ investigation. In any event, the investigation didn't result in any issues of significance for the university, and none for the athletic program, is what I've heard.

7. Again, just because you're not in the know, doesn't mean that the honor code hearing didn't turn out 7-0 for players. Again, various people on the message board can confirm what I said, and what others have said previously.

Man, you really struck out on these things. 0-7. Glad others are now seeing and posting what a loser you are.

1. yes, the only evidence about what she said, which she changed from her original statement, was her testimony. other witnesses told the police that wilson brought a rifle to smoots home. thanks for acknowledging that the weapon wasn't found and that freeman would've made a lousy witness for the defense.

2. they didn't all individually decide not to talk to the police. that's a coincidence only you could make up.

3. the list isn't inaccurate at all. there have been roughly 10 players per year on average get in trouble with either the law or the school. it's a trend. it needs to be curtailed.

4. thanks for agreeing that o'day tried to do some p.r. to sugarcoat the event.

5. thanks for agreeing that they curb-stomped him. the kid thinks he's tough and you think he's tough, that doesn't mean he is. not very many people are tough enough to beat up two football players. not very many people curb stomp someone, but t.j. and swink did.

6. the d.o.j. was contacted by the girl, and/or people representing her on her request, claiming to have been drugged and raped by the four players. that was the initial contact to the d.o.j. that incident is part of the d.o.j. investigation and could ultimately lead to n.c.a.a. sanctions.

7. just because you're in the know doesn't mean the honor court ruling wasn't 0-7. you could've just been told that because you're commonly known to frequent places like egriz and will always get any info out that will excuse, exonerate or acquit any player regardless of the act. a patsy.

yeah, i really thought everyone on the board would agree with everything i'm saying. i'm just shocked that anyone has tried to refute anything i've said. :lol: :clap: :lol: your last sentence ("haha, everyone is on my side...na-na-na-naaaaa-na") sounded like a grade school kid.

i do enjoy how you take everything written literally when it's convenient for your argument. "it wasn't 50 players in 5 years and 3 months, it was 49 in 5 years and 1 month, so you're a liar." "it didn't say no one told the players they couldn't talk to the investigators, it said the players refused to talk to the detective, so you lied. admit it you're a liar." :lol: :lol: is that how you win cases? :clap:

Again, virtually all of what you're saying continues to be wrong.

1. There was no testimony that Wilson brought along a gun. Also, from the NY Times: "During dinner, the phone rang. It was Wilson’s aunt, Opal Davis, who lived nearby. Davis, who at 26 was close to Wilson, tearfully told his grandmother that her boyfriend, Kevin Smoot, had gotten drunk, beaten her and urinated on her."

2. Again, no one told the team not to talk to the police. In fact, they were encouraged to talk to the police. I believe some did. Just sorry grapes from the investigator.

3. Yes, your list was grossly inaccurate. I see that you're now starting to admit that it's inaccurate. Thx.

4. The meeting was called by the Missoulian.

5. Nope, didn't agree that there was any curb-stomping, and there wasn't. You don't know what you're talking about, and you're just plain lying.

6. You don't know who contacted the DOJ. There was no allegation of such a gang rape or drugs. In any event, no such thing was found by the DOJ in their investigation.

7. So you must be admitting now that the honor code hearing went in favor of the players. Thx.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

PlayerRep as a child...

 

[tnt]

I'm excited to hear from PR that the DOJ investigation has been completed an that they had no comments. Will this be in the news anytime soon? I'm sure Freddy is relieved too along with MPD.

Any word on the DOE or NCAA investigations yet PR??

Am I the only one chuckling over the kid who was (or wasn't) assaulted not filing a police report was the son of a major athletic supporter AND coinicidently his mother one PR's employees???

 

[PlayerRep]

I'm excited to hear from PR that the DOJ investigation has been completed an that they had no comments. Will this be in the news anytime soon? I'm sure Freddy is relieved too along with MPD.

Any word on the DOE or NCAA investigations yet PR??

Am I the only one chuckling over the kid who was (or wasn't) assaulted not filing a police report was the son of a major athletic supporter AND coinicidently his mother one PR's employees???

Nothing was said about investigation of the county attorneys office or Missoula police. Nothing was said about no comments. Kid involved in the incident was not the son of a major athletic supporter--just a fan and season ticket holder. I encouraged the family to contact Bobby, and they did. That's how Bobby found out about the matter.

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

Am I the only one chuckling over the kid who was (or wasn't) assaulted not filing a police report was the son of a major athletic supporter AND coinicidently his mother one PR's employees???

Kid involved in the incident was not the son of a major athletic supporter--just a fan and season ticket holder. I encouraged the family to contact Bobby, and they did. That's how Bobby found out about the matter.

If this was just a "series of skirmishes" that the kid was "partially responsible for" that night, why would you encourage the family to contact Bobby?

 

[PlayerRep]

Am I the only one chuckling over the kid who was (or wasn't) assaulted not filing a police report was the son of a major athletic supporter AND coinicidently his mother one PR's employees???

Kid involved in the incident was not the son of a major athletic supporter--just a fan and season ticket holder. I encouraged the family to contact Bobby, and they did. That's how Bobby found out about the matter.

If this was just a "series of skirmishes" that the kid was "partially responsible for" that night, why would you encourage the family to contact Bobby?

So that Bobby would know, for sure, some of his guys were involved in an incident (and could look into it and take any appropriate action).

 

[grizbrokebacker1]

Am I the only one chuckling over the kid who was (or wasn't) assaulted not filing a police report was the son of a major athletic supporter AND coinicidently his mother one PR's employees???

Kid involved in the incident was not the son of a major athletic supporter--just a fan and season ticket holder. I encouraged the family to contact Bobby, and they did. That's how Bobby found out about the matter.

If this was just a "series of skirmishes" that the kid was "partially responsible for" that night, why would you encourage the family to contact Bobby?

So that Bobby would know, for sure, some of his guys were involved in an incident (and could look into it and take any appropriate action).

Fair enough.

http://www.newwest.net/city/article/when_griz_players_go_wild/C8/L8/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;