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Torry Hill: Broken Ankle

Another summer rehabbing for her. To bad. Last year it was an ACL. this year, it is a broken ankle. Broken ankle certainly won't take as long to recover from though. 6 - 8 weeks.

She was Lady Griz's best perimeter shooter this year. But, whether she would have made a difference, that is debatable. Her replacement, Lexi, had her best game shooting. If Hill played, Lexi would not have had the playing time. Hill wasn't exactly lighting it up the past two or three games. Hill actually was coming off one of her worst games this year (certainly not her worst) against PSU where her minutes were limited to only 15 minutes. Of course, Hill could have had a really good game against EWU, but we will never know.
 
Excuse me, but on 2/19, the second to last game she played, Hill was 5-7 from the field (71%), 4-6 from 3 point range and 2-2 on free throws. She hit three 3's in the last 5 minutes. She won the game for the Griz. That's lighting it up. BrizBB, you either have a short memory or no memory.
 
PlayerRep said:
Excuse me, but on 2/19, the second to last game she played, Hill was 5-7 from the field (71%), 4-6 from 3 point range and 2-2 on free throws. She hit three 3's in the last 5 minutes. She won the game for the Griz. That's lighting it up. BrizBB, you either have a short memory or no memory.

Yep, But my point still stands.

But she was 2 - 18 in two games the week before that game. She was 1 - 4 against PSU.
So, like I said at the end of my post, she could have had a good game against EWU, but we will never know. She could also have had another bad game against EWU like she had the week before that game against ISU. .

So, like I said, If Hill played, does not mean it would have made a difference.

But, I did notice I said past 2 or three games. me bad. It was really, out of the past 4 games she had 3 bad shooting games and one good shooting game.
 
GrizBBIsKingNo I don't. I know about that week. she was 1 - 9 in two games the week before that game. she was 2 - 8 in two games the week before that. She was 1 - 4 against PSU. So said:
You are either stupid or biased. You are looking at her 3 point stats. In Feburary, she was 6-11, 4-5, 2-12, 0-6, 5-7 and 1-4 from the field. That's 18-45, or 40%, I believe. Hill and Nelson are 36.7% and 35.5 for the season, by comparison.
 
PlayerRep said:
GrizBBIsKingNo I don't. I know about that week. she was 1 - 9 in two games the week before that game. she was 2 - 8 in two games the week before that. She was 1 - 4 against PSU. So said:
You are either stupid or biased. You are looking at her 3 point stats. In Feburary, she was 6-11, 4-5, 2-12, 0-6, 5-7 and 1-4 from the field. That's 18-45, or 40%, I believe. Hill and Nelson are 36.7% and 35.5 for the season, by comparison.


Wow, you must be stupid. Your stats are actually making my point. There is nothing there that would indicate Hill would have made a difference in the game against EWU. So what if I just chose 3 point stats or what. Hill is 36.7% from the field which isn't exactly great, not lousy. Hill is 38.2% from 3 point line for the season which Sonya Rogers had a 38.9% 3 pt percentage her freshman season.

But, the point of all this was whether Hill would have made a difference. Not exactly so. Maybe she would have but maybe she wouldn't have. You can speculate all you want.
 
There's really no need to speculate on how Hill would have done against EWU in the first place. I'm certainly not.

But seriously, that's a huge shame for Torry. :( A torn ACL last year with Anaconda, and now a broken ankle as a freshman at UM. Dammit, I feel bad for her...I really hope she can stay healthy next year.
 
MissoulaCanucksFan said:
There's really no need to speculate on how Hill would have done against EWU in the first place. I'm certainly not.

But seriously, that's a huge shame for Torry. :( A torn ACL last year with Anaconda, and now a broken ankle as a freshman at UM. Dammit, I feel bad for her...I really hope she can stay healthy next year.
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GrizBBIsKing said:
Wow, you must be stupid. Your stats are actually making my point. There is nothing there that would indicate Hill would have made a difference in the game against EWU. So what if I just chose 3 point stats or what. Hill is 36.7% from the field which isn't exactly great, not lousy. Hill is 38.2% from 3 point line for the season which Sonya Rogers had a 38.9% 3 pt percentage her freshman season.

But, the point of all this was whether Hill would have made a difference. Not exactly so. Maybe she would have but maybe she wouldn't have. You can speculate all you want.

Look, I was never trying to discuss or debate with you whether Hill would have made a difference against EWU. I made my comment in the first post of this thread. I just wanted you to quit providing false statements and false stats regarding HIll. First, you said HIll had shot poorly in the past several games--despite her having had a terrific shooting night in her second to the last game. Then, you provided incorrect shooting stats for her. You are welcome to your opinion, but you are not welcome to make up your stats. Why can't you just admit you goofed up (or lied or about) her shooting stats in those two posts? And what's the point of your continuing to debate a point that no one is discussing or debating with you?

Jeez, she has the misfortunate to break her ankle and she will be missed by the team, and you want to provide incorrect info about her shooting?
 
PlayerRep said:
GrizBBIsKing said:
Wow, you must be stupid. Your stats are actually making my point. There is nothing there that would indicate Hill would have made a difference in the game against EWU. So what if I just chose 3 point stats or what. Hill is 36.7% from the field which isn't exactly great, not lousy. Hill is 38.2% from 3 point line for the season which Sonya Rogers had a 38.9% 3 pt percentage her freshman season.

But, the point of all this was whether Hill would have made a difference. Not exactly so. Maybe she would have but maybe she wouldn't have. You can speculate all you want.

Look, I was never trying to discuss or debate with you whether Hill would have made a difference against EWU. I made my comment in the first post of this thread. I just wanted you to quit providing false statements and false stats regarding HIll. First, you said HIll had shot poorly in the past several games--despite her having had a terrific shooting night in her second to the last game. Then, you provided incorrect shooting stats for her. You are welcome to your opinion, but you are not welcome to make up your stats. Why can't you just admit you goofed up (or lied or about) her shooting stats in those two posts? And what's the point of your continuing to debate a point that no one is discussing or debating with you?

Jeez, she has the misfortunate to break her ankle and she will be missed by the team, and you want to provide incorrect info about her shooting?

I have acknowkledged I left out the game against ISU in an earlier post. That is my goof. The post was re-edited so you may have missed.

but none of my stats are innaccurate. I may have combined stats from two different games, but they are not false.
 
GrizBBIsKing said:
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I have acknowkledged I left out the game against ISU in an earlier post. That is my goof. The post was re-edited so you may have missed.

but none of my stats are innaccurate. I may have combined stats from two different games, but they are not false.

Hill is 6th in the conference in 3-pt accuracy. Selvig said alot of positive things about her play and scoring in the Missoulian article today. The article referred to her as a "sharpshooter". I thought she had been one of the top players for the Lady Griz this season.

Okay back to the stats. How do you explain your stats to the real stats? I'd like your explanation. First, I'll post what you said. Then, I'll post her shooting stats game by game for February.

"1 - 9 in two games the week before that game. she was 2 - 8 in two games the week before that."

In Feburary, she was 6-11, 4-5, 2-12, 0-6, 5-7 and 1-4 from the field.

How do you come up with 1-9 in one week and 2-8 in another week? Again, the answer may lie in the fact that you used her 3-pt stats, nor her shooting stats. Anyway, I'd enjoy seeing your explanation.
 
PlayerRep said:
GrizBBIsKing said:
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I have acknowkledged I left out the game against ISU in an earlier post. That is my goof. The post was re-edited so you may have missed.

but none of my stats are innaccurate. I may have combined stats from two different games, but they are not false.

Hill is 6th in the conference in 3-pt accuracy. Selvig said alot of positive things about her play and scoring in the Missoulian article today. The article referred to her as a "sharpshooter". I thought she had been one of the top players for the Lady Griz this season.

Okay back to the stats. How do you explain your stats to the real stats? I'd like your explanation. First, I'll post what you said. Then, I'll post her shooting stats game by game for February.

"1 - 9 in two games the week before that game. she was 2 - 8 in two games the week before that."

In Feburary, she was 6-11, 4-5, 2-12, 0-6, 5-7 and 1-4 from the field.

How do you come up with 1-9 in one week and 2-8 in another week? Again, the answer may lie in the fact that you used her 3-pt stats, nor her shooting stats. Anyway, I'd enjoy seeing your explanation.

Those are from a post I re-edited. I do not feel I need to defend a post that was re-edited. But, the 1 - 9 was from 3 point line during the two games she went 2 - 18 total field goals, though. You actually replied to it at the same time I was re-editing it. I forgot where the 2 - 8 came from, but I am sure they are 3 point %, and I don't feel like looking them up again.

I went through all the conference games and she either shot well during both games during a week or shot poorly both games. not one where she shot well one game and poorly in another. Given this, it could be easy to speculate that she would not have shot very well against EWU since she shot kind of poorly against PSU (even though she made one more shot it would be considered good).

Of course, your definition of poor or good may be different then mine. Below 35% is poor. greater than 40% is good. in between is about average. She is just a true freshman, so she has plenty of time to improve to the good range.

and, no, I would not argue against her not being a "sharpshooter" as she shot almost as good as Sonia Rogers did her freshman season (at least percentage wise - 38.2% to 38.9% for Sonia). Torry shot way more 3 pointers and total shots than Sonia did. With more consistency, like staying away from the really bad shooting she had against Sac St and NAU in mid-february, she will be very good shooter. I doubt she will ever catch Katie Edwards in 3 point shooting, but I think she could be 40% or better 3 point shooter, which there are not that many of.

why I brought up 3 point only stats? She is a 3 point shooter. she shoots better from 3 point line and beyond than she does within the 3 point line. Heck, Even Sonya Rogers was better from 3 point line and beyond than inside her first year.
 
GrizBBIsKing said:
PlayerRep said:
6th in the conference in 3-pt shooting percentage is not "average" in my parlance. That is "good".

Guess I am one of those guys that do not grade on a curve.

Her average is at 64th in the nation in D-I. A Google result says there are 335 D-I women's teams. Is having 64th best average out of 4020 players (335 teams times 12 players) really "average" to you? That's damn good in my book. Congrats to Torry, and heal fast.
 

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