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Top 25 Returning FCS OL

thirdandlong said:
I agree that losing a great )-line coach will have a huge effect on the success of their line........ As far as our woes for the O-line in the past, I think we had much more talented players than it seemed, due to Germer's inability to coach-them-up.
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I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with you on Germer. Something was just never right with the o-line while he was in charge. Hopefully Pawlak has what it takes to make the o-line much better.
 
Monymony said:
This very inaccurate. The cats didn’t throw much in that game because they didn’t need to as the run game was actually working. Tommy has an arm.
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Yeah, it was working so well you couldn't pick up a 3rd and 6, a 3rd and 4, a 3rd and 4, a 3rd and 2, or a 3rd and 6 when you needed it with your incredible running game.

Tommy threw one single pass on 1st or 2nd down in the first half, which was on the final drive with no time left, and it was incomplete. 0-3 on all passes in the first half.

If you tell Bobby and staff that Tommy is going to pass a whole lot on them this year in Bozeman, they would be ecstatic. He is not dangerous as a passer unless the running game is getting 10 yards per carry.
 
uofmman1122 said:
McDowell isn't the greatest passer, but he can at least run an RPO offense and hit guys in stride even if they're covered. Tommy relies on play action, high percentage throws and 50-50 jump balls.

Love the kid. Great MT guy. Not a good passing QB.
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Is the bolded a reflection on Tommy's ability specifically or rather on the design of the offense itself? It's an honest question as I don't feel qualified to make such an assessment.
 
I kinda feel like if someone is a good passing QB, but he doesn’t get to pass very much, there has to be something wrong with the coaching staff.

Having a good passing QB who doesn’t pass falls straight in line with having backups being better than the starters, and also loving the coach at the same time.
 
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Da Boyz Mom said:
Look I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but nothing was working for y'all in that game offensively.
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Agreed total demonstration of cat gris home field advantage. Gris got smothered in 22 in Bozeman and Cats got smothered in 23. Both teams have incredible atmospheres that make it very difficult to win in.
 
Da Boyz Mom said:
Is the bolded a reflection on Tommy's ability specifically or rather on the design of the offense itself? It's an honest question as I don't feel qualified to make such an assessment.
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From my understanding the offense is designed the way it is because of Tommy's skills. He's an exceptional runner and a poor true passing QB, so they take advantage of the former and try to coach around the latter. If he's only throwing those routes and concepts, it's because he can't run other stuff. It's one of the reasons why people always say he wouldn't be a QB in our system because our system as it is right now requires the QB to make certain reads and throws. McDowell grew into being able to do it last year where they didn't have to mask as much in the passing game, but from what I've heard, Tommy wouldn't be able to do that without fundamentally changing up his game.
 
uofmman1122 said:
Yeah, it was working so well you couldn't pick up a 3rd and 6, a 3rd and 4, a 3rd and 4, a 3rd and 2, or a 3rd and 6 when you needed it with your incredible running game.

Tommy threw one single pass on 1st or 2nd down in the first half, which was on the final drive with no time left, and it was incomplete. 0-3 on all passes in the first half.

If you tell Bobby and staff that Tommy is going to pass a whole lot on them this year in Bozeman, they would be ecstatic. He is not dangerous as a passer unless the running game is getting 10 yards per carry.
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You answered your own question. The cats forced the throw on 3rd down and didn’t trust the run. I guarantee 75% of throws were down field or throwing it away. If the cats incorporated more throws on early downs it would help a ton. Tommy threw for 200+ and ran for 150+ against NDSU… that is that you can expect next year I believe.
 
Monymony said:
You answered your own question. The cats forced the throw on 3rd down and didn’t trust the run. I guarantee 75% of throws were down field or throwing it away. If the cats incorporated more throws on early downs it would help a ton. Tommy threw for 200+ and ran for 150+ against NDSU… that is that you can expect next year I believe.
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Tommy threw for more yards than he ran in 5 games last year.

2 times against patsies where he didn't have to do anything (EWU and Cal poly), and in 3 losses (NDSU, Idaho and SDSU).

When you make him throw against good teams, you guys generally lose.
 
uofmman1122 said:
From my understanding the offense is designed the way it is because of Tommy's skills. He's an exceptional runner and a poor true passing QB, so they take advantage of the former and try to coach around the latter. If he's only throwing those routes and concepts, it's because he can't run other stuff. It's one of the reasons why people always say he wouldn't be a QB in our system because our system as it is right now requires the QB to make certain reads and throws. McDowell grew into being able to do it last year where they didn't have to mask as much in the passing game, but from what I've heard, Tommy wouldn't be able to do that without fundamentally changing up his game.
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I believe the design stems from two talented running qbs, a good run block o-line, and multiple talented running backs. Now that there is only one qb I believe the qb option crap will start to go away. I believe based on what Tommy did freshman and sophomore yr it set up our offense but now teams are starting to learn how to control it. Coaches recognize this and therefore will now transition into more of a balanced offense that is built upon running it.
 
uofmman1122 said:
Tommy threw for more yards than he ran in 5 games last year.

2 times against patsies where he didn't have to do anything (EWU and Cal poly), and in 3 losses (NDSU, Idaho and SDSU).

When you make him throw against good teams, you guys generally lose.
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Yes but also no. Those games were a massive part of why the OC was headed out the door. The Idaho game was AWFUL play calling, SDSU was close, and NDSU was even closer. Both Dakota schools beat us by literal inches. EWU and Cal Poly were games where coaches were trying to put the throwing practice into games, specifically EWU was a great representation of what Tommy can do. I don’t think that forcing him to throw causes losses but it stems from either poor play calling or just bad luck.
 
Monymony said:
Yes but also no. Those games were a massive part of why the OC was headed out the door. The Idaho game was AWFUL play calling, SDSU was close, and NDSU was even closer. Both Dakota schools beat us by literal inches. EWU and Cal Poly were games where coaches were trying to put the throwing practice into games, specifically EWU was a great representation of what Tommy can do. I don’t think that forcing him to throw causes losses but it stems from either poor play calling or just bad luck.
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He threw 4 total passes against EWU.
 
Monymony said:
I was thinking of Chambers whoops. I could be wrong but I don’t believe Tommy played much in EWU (prep for brawl) and I believe the same thing happened against Cal Poly (maybe injury)
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I think you're ultimately misunderstanding the point I'm making here. I think Tommy is a great player, and even with his passing does an extremely great job in that offense. When it's working, his passing is good enough to blow the game open.

But he is not a true passing QB, and if he's asked to pass 20+ times every game in a more complicated passing scheme, he is going to struggle. "Tommy is going to pass more this year" is honestly music to my maroon and silver ears, but that does not mean I think he is a bad QB. He runs your offense extremely well, which is what you want your QB to do.
 
uofmman1122 said:
I think you're ultimately misunderstanding the point I'm making here. I think Tommy is a great player, and even with his passing does an extremely great job in that offense. When it's working, his passing is good enough to blow the game open.

But he is not a true passing QB, and if he's asked to pass 20+ times every game in a more complicated passing scheme, he is going to struggle. "Tommy is going to pass more this year" is honestly music to my maroon and silver ears, but that does not mean I think he is a bad QB. He runs your offense extremely well, which is what you want your QB to do.
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Yes he will never throw 20 passes in one game. That would be a waste of our run game. Against NDSU he went 13-17 for 204 and thats exactly what I’d expect next year.
 
Well if we have established nothing else, it's that Monymony is a dedicated Cats fan and as such is not very objective. 😆

Maybe their offense will be a lot better and Tommy will suddenly turn into a much better passer, but I'll believe it when I see it.
 
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