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Today's big meeting and possibilities for FCS football

Da Boyz Mom said:
marceagfan5 said:
With six of the 13 conferences already sitting out this fall… Looks like the FCS can’t afford to lose another conference or there will be no playoffs… I’m not sure if the Ivy League figures into the total or not, but basically everyone that hasn’t decided yet will need to opt in, or their most likely won’t be any playoffs this year if football goes forward

It's 50% of institutions, not conferences, which helps a little since at least one conference is allowing schools to play if they choose. But yes, still an issue.

I think they are currently sitting at around 60%.
 
NCAA likes the easy decisions, cashing the checks, contriving minutiae of rules

The hard stuff.......?

At the end of it all we’re all on our own
 
I don't respect the NCAA, but I have to ask this one more time: With respect to allowing FB or not allowing FB, what would have been a more preferable decision by the NCAA than the one it made?

It seems like the NCAA decided to allow FB, but everybody is saying it backed away from making a decision, so will someone please tell me what I'm missing?
 
CDAGRIZ said:
I don't respect the NCAA, but I have to ask this one more time: With respect to allowing FB or not allowing FB, what would have been a more preferable decision by the NCAA than the one it made?

It seems like the NCAA decided to allow FB, but everybody is saying it backed away from making a decision, so will someone please tell me what I'm missing?

My biggest beef is not what they didn't decide, but the constraints that they placed on the member institutions. Telling them they have to honor scholarships with no regard for the next recruiting class is a kick in the teeth to schools that are already hurting financially.

Not to mention, making schools financially accountable for any covid related medical expenses. I think its probably the kiss of death for fall football, but the NCAA got out of having to be the "bad guy".
 
Da Boyz Mom said:
CDAGRIZ said:
I don't respect the NCAA, but I have to ask this one more time: With respect to allowing FB or not allowing FB, what would have been a more preferable decision by the NCAA than the one it made?

It seems like the NCAA decided to allow FB, but everybody is saying it backed away from making a decision, so will someone please tell me what I'm missing?

My biggest beef is not what they didn't decide, but the constraints that they placed on the member institutions. Telling them they have to honor scholarships with no regard for the next recruiting class is a kick in the teeth to schools that are already hurting financially.

Not to mention, making schools financially accountable for any covid related medical expenses. I think its probably the kiss of death for fall football, but the NCAA got out of having to be the "bad guy".

Sure, and I agree, but the constraints, scholarship, and med expenses stuff were certainly "decisions", and I think the NCAA is coming under appropriate fire for them. I was referring to the Twitter pros saying the NCAA backed away from making a decision on whether schools can play FB.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
I don't respect the NCAA, but I have to ask this one more time: With respect to allowing FB or not allowing FB, what would have been a more preferable decision by the NCAA than the one it made?

It seems like the NCAA decided to allow FB, but everybody is saying it backed away from making a decision, so will someone please tell me what I'm missing?

This is the biggest misperception in college athletics...the NCAA does not control any sports. Only championships. If the NCAA Tournament did not exist, there would be no need for the NCAA. The NCAA does not regulate the College Football Playoff in any way.

https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/1290803100341555201

https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/1291016637475246080

This is a giant goat show. I can't imagine being the ADs at schools like Montana right now...
 
I am curious how many public institutions just decide to cut their losses and cancel so they do not add to their financial hole that this crisis has already dug them into.
 
Colter_Nuanez56 said:
CDAGRIZ said:
I don't respect the NCAA, but I have to ask this one more time: With respect to allowing FB or not allowing FB, what would have been a more preferable decision by the NCAA than the one it made?

It seems like the NCAA decided to allow FB, but everybody is saying it backed away from making a decision, so will someone please tell me what I'm missing?

This is the biggest misperception in college athletics...the NCAA does not control any sports. Only championships. If the NCAA Tournament did not exist, there would be no need for the NCAA. The NCAA does not regulate the College Football Playoff in any way.

https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/1290803100341555201

https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/1291016637475246080

This is a giant goat show. I can't imagine being the ADs at schools like Montana right now...

Interesting. Thanks, CN. So, the NCAA couldn't have done anything more than it did. Do I have that right?
 
CDAGRIZ said:
Colter_Nuanez56 said:
This is the biggest misperception in college athletics...the NCAA does not control any sports. Only championships. If the NCAA Tournament did not exist, there would be no need for the NCAA. The NCAA does not regulate the College Football Playoff in any way.

https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/1290803100341555201

https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/1291016637475246080

This is a giant goat show. I can't imagine being the ADs at schools like Montana right now...

Interesting. Thanks, CN. So, the NCAA couldn't have done anything more than it did. Do I have that right?

Other than flat out cancelling, not much at all.
 
Da Boyz Mom said:
CDAGRIZ said:
I don't respect the NCAA, but I have to ask this one more time: With respect to allowing FB or not allowing FB, what would have been a more preferable decision by the NCAA than the one it made?

It seems like the NCAA decided to allow FB, but everybody is saying it backed away from making a decision, so will someone please tell me what I'm missing?

My biggest beef is not what they didn't decide, but the constraints that they placed on the member institutions. Telling them they have to honor scholarships with no regard for the next recruiting class is a kick in the teeth to schools that are already hurting financially.

Not to mention, making schools financially accountable for any covid related medical expenses. I think its probably the kiss of death for fall football, but the NCAA got out of having to be the "bad guy".
Unless I misunderstood something, doesn't their insistence on schools honoring scholarships pertain to the current year, not next year? My assumption was that even if schools cancel football, they must still honor scholarships for the current year, which would have no affect on future recruiting.
 
grizband said:
Unless I misunderstood something, doesn't their insistence on schools honoring scholarships pertain to the current year, not next year? My assumption was that even if schools cancel football, they must still honor scholarships for the current year, which would have no affect on future recruiting.

I think this is correct.
 
grizindabox said:
grizband said:
Unless I misunderstood something, doesn't their insistence on schools honoring scholarships pertain to the current year, not next year? My assumption was that even if schools cancel football, they must still honor scholarships for the current year, which would have no affect on future recruiting.

I think this is correct.

So if that is the case, and those players lose this season can they come back next season at all? And if they can, then are they out of luck next season financially?

Ugh
 
grizband said:
Da Boyz Mom said:
My biggest beef is not what they didn't decide, but the constraints that they placed on the member institutions. Telling them they have to honor scholarships with no regard for the next recruiting class is a kick in the teeth to schools that are already hurting financially.

Not to mention, making schools financially accountable for any covid related medical expenses. I think its probably the kiss of death for fall football, but the NCAA got out of having to be the "bad guy".
Unless I misunderstood something, doesn't their insistence on schools honoring scholarships pertain to the current year, not next year? My assumption was that even if schools cancel football, they must still honor scholarships for the current year, which would have no affect on future recruiting.
What would have an impact on 2021 is if those opting out of the season or playing for a team cancelling their season, are granted another year of eligibility. The seniors, who would be normally gone, then occupy schollies needed for incoming freshman recruits. Trickle, trickle....
 
grizband said:
Da Boyz Mom said:
My biggest beef is not what they didn't decide, but the constraints that they placed on the member institutions. Telling them they have to honor scholarships with no regard for the next recruiting class is a kick in the teeth to schools that are already hurting financially.

Not to mention, making schools financially accountable for any covid related medical expenses. I think its probably the kiss of death for fall football, but the NCAA got out of having to be the "bad guy".
Unless I misunderstood something, doesn't their insistence on schools honoring scholarships pertain to the current year, not next year? My assumption was that even if schools cancel football, they must still honor scholarships for the current year, which would have no affect on future recruiting.

Correct but it does bring up a conundrum. The NCAA has told the divisions to decide about eligibility. This must be done by August 14th. If the FCS decides that players currently on scholarship who opt out of playing this fall or whose schools choose not to play are able to retain their eligibility for this year, then the schools still have to keep them all on scholarship this year, plus they will then have another year of eligibility which means another year of scholarship for next year, plus there will be scholarships for the incoming class to deal with. (Sorry for the horrible run-on sentence) So yes technically you are correct but in the end it's an absolute nightmare for ADs and coaches.
 
grizindabox said:
grizband said:
Unless I misunderstood something, doesn't their insistence on schools honoring scholarships pertain to the current year, not next year? My assumption was that even if schools cancel football, they must still honor scholarships for the current year, which would have no affect on future recruiting.

I think this is correct.

But a logjam of players, and not enough scholarships, will develop, if players get an additional year of eligibility. Either because they opt out this season, or if this season is not held or cut very short. If no season or a season cut very short, I would expect some seniors to move on and not play in 2021, and some to remain. And, if there is more eligibility granted, then the logjam is increased because every player would get an extra year. Don't think I would want to work out and practice for 6 years to get 4 years of play, but some would. Jobs arise. Friends and girlfriends graduate and move on. College starts to lose its appeal. One of our kids did the 7 year plan at MSU and played rugby. When I jokingly asked him why he was finally deciding to graduate, he said: "Because not only have all of my friends graduated, all of them have left town." He enlisted in the Army and became a Ranger.
 
Da Boyz Mom said:
grizband said:
Unless I misunderstood something, doesn't their insistence on schools honoring scholarships pertain to the current year, not next year? My assumption was that even if schools cancel football, they must still honor scholarships for the current year, which would have no affect on future recruiting.

Correct but it does bring up a conundrum. The NCAA has told the divisions to decide about eligibility. This must be done by August 14th. If the FCS decides that players currently on scholarship who opt out of playing this fall or whose schools choose not to play are able to retain their eligibility for this year, then the schools still have to keep them all on scholarship this year, plus they will then have another year of eligibility which means another year of scholarship for next year, plus there will be scholarships for the incoming class to deal with. So yes technically you are correct but in the end it's an absolute nightmare for ADs and coaches.

Assuming scholarship numbers weren't increased (and even if they were, would schools at the FCS level have money to pay for them?), the coaches would have to decide, under your scenario, who gets the scholarships. Players in every class, including incoming frosh, would presumably be affected. I assume the coaches would generally allocate the scholarships to the best players and players they want or need to keep. Does signing a national letter of intent then obligate the school to provide the scholarship for the frosh year? Like you said. Nightmare.
 
PlayerRep said:
grizindabox said:
I think this is correct.

But a logjam of players, and not enough scholarships, will develop, if players get an additional year of eligibility. Either because they opt out this season, or if this season is not held or cut very short. If no season or a season cut very short, I would expect some seniors to move on and not play in 2021, and some to remain. And, if there is more eligibility granted, then the logjam is increased because every player would get an extra year. Don't think I would want to work out and practice for 6 years to get 4 years of play, but some would. Jobs arise. Friends and girlfriends graduate and move on. College starts to lose its appeal. One of our kids did the 7 year plan at MSU and played rugby. When I jokingly asked him why he was finally deciding to graduate, he said: "Because not only have all of my friends graduated, all of them have left town." He enlisted in the Army and became a Ranger.
A 7-year boot camp at MSU....
 
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