Tinkle: The accidental coach bombs as predicted...

[colsteveaustin]

"I know there's going to be a lot of people who might be upset because we didn't win 24 games again, but we had a whole new group,"

Whoops
Ha, ha! Tinkle is already making lame excuses. As the article nicely points out, Criswell and Matthews blew town and the team was clearly expected to contend - not go a paltry 17-15 and claw into a semi-loss. Well they won a few games in one of the worst conferences in the country... Great job Wayne.

 

[GrizWhiz]

Amazing...no posts until something bad happens, then BANG, right back into an our coach sucks and should be fired post-

You didn't find that whole season a joke given where they had been with Larry? Oh, I could have easily chimed in after that fabulous loss to... Pacific??? However, I promised my good friend (you know who you are PM boy) that I would hold my bashing for the tourney exit - an exit that was far more extended than it really should have been thanks to Chavez.

How about holding your "bashing", period. There are far more constructive and mature ways to express your views than those shown in your opening salvo in this thread. :twocents:

 

[colsteveaustin]

I would love to see the 70's and 80's excitment return to Griz b-ball.

Precisely. Those of us who are not blinded by the shell know that Wayne Tinkle is not the guy to do this. Quite simply, he is a perennial counterweight who really should not have the reigns of a D-1 school.

 

[colsteveaustin]

since I doubt you know anymore about technology

Newsflash: The number of posts you acquire on a message board=technological skill and know how. Quickly extrapolating, we can only surmise that you may really be Ellison, Chambers, or perhaps even the man himself.

Nice additional emote, by the way. Really, that permanent arch in your back that you undoubtedly have acquired by crouching over the keyboard all those hours must be impairing your ability to touch more than 3 given keys.

Honestly, let me know if you need to get out for a bit of actual reality. I'll be happy to arrange a ticket on the purple bus.

 

[colsteveaustin]

How about holding your "bashing", period.

Frankly, there really is not time better than now. Tinkle is going to drag this program down just as I predicted, and the push to remove him should have begun the second Larry left the building.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Sorry but had to add part of my other post on another thread to this one. I am slightly upset at the naysayers, especially when this is only Tinks 1st year.

To the damn naysayers of Tinkle, the staff, and the players. You are all jumping the gun much too soon. To be honest, the extreme naysayers, I am sure the GRIZ could care less what you think or say. Chances are you do not, have not, and will not support GRIZ basketball. You are entitled to your opinions, myself and other egrizzers kind of let your negativity go in one ear and out the other. After all, kind of ironic how a few of you appeared here next to never or very seldom during the season. You sat back licking your chops for the season to end on a low note, then when it did, "Time to start some crap on EGRIZ!"

When Tinkle's teams are again the best in the conference, win 20, and go back to the dance (all of which will happen by time Tinkle's contract is up). The bandwagon has no room for the impatient, head hunting, nonbelieving skeptics. Being a GRIZ Basketball faithful, I do not want your support later. Go bash other programs, 1st year coaches, etc. You will not be welcomed later.

Note to Tinks and the players, Please prove these few skeptics wrong, and have the last laugh. Here is to whiners and :crybaby: saving their tears over :drinking: and the hell with you!

To the supporters, thank you. :thumb: :clap: I know the team appreciates each and every supporter. BTW, it is nice to know the naysayers/skeptics are few and far between. WE also cannot wait for your continuous rants on what a bad coach Hauck is come football season. Despite being one of the top FCS programs in the nation once again.

 

[griz8791]

We are really blazing some serious trail here. We have pushed coach-bashing well beyond its customary December end date and transplanted it into a completely new sport so we can now say we've been doing it in two different sports for 7 consecutive months. If we all do our part over the next 5 months we will have transformed what used to be a fall-only activity into a real 4-season pasttime. When does track start?

 

[coyote]

We are really blazing some serious trail here. We have pushed coach-bashing well beyond its customary December end date and transplanted it into a completely new sport so we can now say we've been doing it in two different sports for 7 consecutive months. If we all do our part over the next 5 months we will have transformed what used to be a fall-only activity into a real 4-season pasttime. When does track start?

good post - I agree - Let's knock off the bashing

 

[Mung]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

BAAAAAAAAABY!

Whooooooooooohoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.(!)

 

[beastie]

“It was a combination of not defending and not running very good offense,” Tinkle said. “Our guys were standing around offensively like it was an exhibition game and we weren't quite sure what to run. Defensively, we gave them some easy baskets Š and that allowed them to get their confidence going a little bit.”

Tinkles comments after nearly every game. Consider this is win or go home.

And then he says,

I loved this season, I really did,” Tinkle said. “If there's one word that sums up this team it's heart. They showed a lot of heart.”

Heart? All he (we) complained about all year was no D, hustle, falling behind in the first half, not getting to shooters, missing critical free thows, team bickering...

We did have a losing record against D1 teams, thank you NAIA ratball midgets.

I don't think I would characterize this team with the word "heart".

I agree, Tinkle will lead the program on a slow demise...

 

[GrizWhiz]

“It was a combination of not defending and not running very good offense,” Tinkle said. “Our guys were standing around offensively like it was an exhibition game and we weren't quite sure what to run. Defensively, we gave them some easy baskets Š and that allowed them to get their confidence going a little bit.”

Tinkles comments after nearly every game. Consider this is win or go home.

And then he says,

I loved this season, I really did,” Tinkle said. “If there's one word that sums up this team it's heart. They showed a lot of heart.”

Heart? All he (we) complained about all year was no D, hustle, falling behind in the first half, not getting to shooters, missing critical free thows, team bickering...

We did have a losing record against D1 teams, thank you NAIA ratball midgets.

I don't think I would characterize this team with the word "heart".

I agree, Tinkle will lead the program on a slow demise...

The Griz were 15-15 against D1 opponents...not good but also not a losing record. :thumb:

 

[Grizbacker1]

“It was a combination of not defending and not running very good offense,” Tinkle said. “Our guys were standing around offensively like it was an exhibition game and we weren't quite sure what to run. Defensively, we gave them some easy baskets Š and that allowed them to get their confidence going a little bit.”

Tinkles comments after nearly every game. Consider this is win or go home.

And then he says,

I loved this season, I really did,” Tinkle said. “If there's one word that sums up this team it's heart. They showed a lot of heart.”

Heart? All he (we) complained about all year was no D, hustle, falling behind in the first half, not getting to shooters, missing critical free thows, team bickering...

We did have a losing record against D1 teams, thank you NAIA ratball midgets.

I don't think I would characterize this team with the word "heart".

I agree, Tinkle will lead the program on a slow demise...

Beastie,

One thing about you is your are consisten,never happy with anything. I f Jesus came back and walked on water, someone would say "look at Jesus walk on water", your response would be "he can't swim". :dance:

 

[citygriz]

funny: if tinkle had turned in this performance four years ago, we'd say he'd done a great job. but kysko has raised the bar, and .500 is no longer acceptable at montana--especially in a conference as weak as the big sky.

still this is the starting point of tinkle's career; it takes two points to define a trend. i'm willing to give tinkle a longer apprenticeship before making harsh shrill judgments that sound more like a jilted lover than a rational appraisal.

one big positive for tinkle: the guy can recruit. if you don't think so, just go over to the north dakota state board and see how badly they hoped to get brian qvale, one of the top big-man recruits from that state in a long while, and whose father played at n.d. state. check out the list of schools that were seriously interested in both him and derrick selvig. no kudos from the cold mr. faust on that, so i ask you...fair and balanced?

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If a coach is worth a shit, he comes in and takes the team that went to the dance last year to a bare minimum the same level or better yet a notch higher.

BH came in and took a stocked Joe Glenn team to a NC appearance and even though he was worked over badly when it came to coaching at least he maintained JG's team.

I don't care about BBall but the same rules apply.

Look at all the good coaches out there in the big 4 sports. Very rarely do they build a program out of nothing. That is where the great ones separate themselves. Good coaches usually come in and turn things around not regress.


I say give WT a minimum of 3 more years to get his guys in place, so he can call it his team. When he does I think they will be solid, but I wouldn't expect great things. If he does raise the bar I will be the first to say, "I don't give a rats ass about basketball.......and I was wrong."
:twocents:

 

[grizpack]

I wonder how Mike Montgomery would fare with today's Griz fans. After all, Tinks has won exactly as many BSC championships in his 1 year here, as Monty did in however long he was here. Zero.

And to the best of my memory, Monty was the coach during a lot of the "good old days" that people talk about so longingly.

I guess if you loved the 70's and 80's Griz basketball, then winning the BSC must not be a requirement for a good year.

Granted, the atmosphere in that time was completely different, and in my opinion, one of the best in the nation. I am not comparing the atmosphere.

I am just saying that we seem to be holding Tinkle to a higher standard in his first year than we did to Monty when he followed Jud. And that time period was considered one of the high points of Grizzly basketball.

 

[Grizbacker1]

I wonder how Mike Montgomery would fare with today's Griz fans. After all, Tinks has won exactly as many BSC championships in his 1 year here, as Monty did in however long he was here. Zero.

And to the best of my memory, Monty was the coach during a lot of the "good old days" that people talk about so longingly.

I guess if you loved the 70's and 80's Griz basketball, then winning the BSC must not be a requirement for a good year.

Granted, the atmosphere in that time was completely different, and in my opinion, one of the best in the nation. I am not comparing the atmosphere.

I am just saying that we seem to be holding Tinkle to a higher standard in his first year than we did to Monty when he followed Jud. And that time period was considered one of the high points of Grizzly basketball.

Great post, and anyone who was around when Monty wa at the hel knows he padded his schedule big time to assure 20 win seasons. The non conference schedule never prepared his teams for BSC play, which is one reason they never won it. Monty learned from it and did a great job at Stanford.

 

[late_addition]

Like him (WT) or not, I'm tired of people saying "wait'll he gets his own guys in there". Tinkle was a top assistant in this program for many years. Guess what?...these ARE his players!!!

I'm just a fan who wants to see what this guy can do, but to say that these aren't his players is ridiculous. I'm betting the majority of the impact players on the Griz roster were recruited by and signed by WT.

Upside? Played and coached a lot of years and players seem to like him.

Downside? Just doesn't seem real organized. By this I mean his substitution pattern never really consistant, no real calculated ass chewings on officials, plays out of timeouts, inbounds plays?

Watching LK, you could sense his outbursts (especially at officials) were a lot of times planned. Also, he had great in-game adjustments that always seemed to produce good results.

Just a fan's thoughts after a disappointing season.

 

[Ballhog]

One of the things that separates mediocre programs from the
great ones is expectations. I have seen this in Highschool and in
college. If the Hoops community at the school doesn't demand
excellance it gets mediocrity.
Montana is a great venue. Good arena, good town, great school.
The right coach can accomplish great things here. e.g. Larry K and
co. Defeated a number of D1 schools that made it to the dance,
upset Nevada-a great coup for Big Sky.
Wayne T. will get 3yrs; yes he is a great person and like Larry a
home town Griz. Some fans are happy-all is happy, we did great
this year, Monty is cool, happy, happy-we are good?
Critical analysts would say-Griz had 9 of 11 players back, good
recruits. If anyone should have handled the new situation it should
have been Wayne. He recruited Strait, Hasquet, Martin under Kennedy. I believe that the reason he didn't do better this
year is because he was OJR the last few yrs. I hope that he succeeds. But unless he changes I believe he is doomed. Of course
if everone is happy,happy,happy then all is well.
Funny how things are diffferent at a nearby school with only about4,000
students and a so-so venue. Expectations!
P.S. Strait turned them down in favor of the Griz. Happy,happy, happy. :crazyeyes:

 

[Bronco]

Maybe give the guy a little longer before we put the 4-sale signs in his yard.


http://www.montanakaimin.com/index.php/sports/sports_article/griz_basketball_looks_forward_to_next_year_after_difficult_loss/

The team’s two leading scorers, Strait and Hasquet, will be returning and with another year under his belt, Rundles should improve on his freshman campaign.
“I think everyone’s looking ahead to next year,” Strait said. “We got a real talented group of guys coming back.”

 

[griz8791]

One of the things that separates mediocre programs from the great ones is expectations. I have seen this in Highschool and in college. If the Hoops community at the school doesn't demand excellance it gets mediocrity.

So in other words, if I'm not ready to run Tinkle out of here right now, I must think mediocrity is OK, and if I don't think mediocrity is OK, I have to agree to run him out now? I think that's a false dilemma.