Times Have Changed

[CDAGRIZ]

I swear I bought mine in July for 35.00. I don't have them in front of me to confirm.

 

[George Ferguson]

The Griz will easily lead the FCS in attendance this season. With App. State gone, it WON'T even be close. Griz were neck and neck with App State for tops in attendance in 2013 and 2012 as well. PRETTY TOUGH to accurately say things are down when UM has averaged 24,000 plus since the last expansion. Oh and No. 4 is laughable.

 

[tnt]

Don't forget the $6.75 ticket fee.............

 

[Grizzlies1982]

The headline in today's Missoulian says "Tickets Remain for Griz Homecoming Game". Not long ago Homecoming was a difficult ticket. I think it is a combination of several things, in no particular order:
1) Tickets have gotten expensive, especially for out of town fans that need to rent a hotel, gas, etc.
2) People have taken winning for granted.
3) The game day experience has gotten stale.
4) The HC has no personality to energize the fan base.
5) Some have lost their passion after the Pflu/O'Day debacle.
6) Games are no longer "the" place for the casual/social fans.
7) The conference has many new teams that fans don't care about.

I'm not worried about any large drop off but it can be boiled down to just two points.
Problems:
1) It's a fact ticket prices are ridiculously high. We're reaching point of diminishing returns.
2) Griz haven't been dominant under Pflu/Mick so bandwagon fans are also thinning out compared to a few years ago.

Solutions:
1) Consistent winning keeps the seats filled (even with ridiculous prices).
2) An administration that stops trying to kill and eat the damn golden goose would make those fans not feel like they've been hosed when they opt to travel to Missoula and watch the Griz.

There, I have resolve all these perceived problems. :ugeek:

 

[EverettGriz]

It'll be a sell out. Aside from scattered single seats, all that's available are a very few seats in 115. But yeah 60.00 is slowing a few folks down. It is UNC

Are tickets really $60? Christ...I can get NFL tickets for that.

Tickets are anywhere between $53.75 - $60.00 according to griztix.com. Too bad they didn't make the USD night game homecoming, because then at least I can see a reason to charge $60 to attend a night game against a good opponent. Not so much for N. Colorado... but still, it's Homecoming, so it is what it is.

That really blows me away....and I was complaining when I paid $40 to see the Wyoming game this year. I guess I would assume that for a quality FCS team like Montana, the tickets would be in the $30-$35 range. Goes to show that it has been a long time since I have seen a game at WA-Griz....starting to think that is a good thing.

A game at Wa Griz is worth twice as much. Minimum

 

[tnt]

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I'm not worried about any large drop off but it can be boiled down to just two points.
Problems:
1) It's a fact ticket prices are ridiculously high. We're reaching point of diminishing returns.
2) Griz haven't been dominant under Pflu/Mick so bandwagon fans are also thinning out compared to a few years ago.

Solutions:
1) Consistent winning keeps the seats filled (even with ridiculous prices).
2) An administration that stops trying to kill and eat the damn golden goose would make those fans not feel like they've been hosed when they opt to travel to Missoula and watch the Griz.

There, I have resolve all these perceived problems. :ugeek:

Not quite. The late games are killing business for the Bar Restaurant night businesses and according to at least a couple of Inn Keepers bringing fewer out of town folks those weekends because of the now two night stay........... Especially the late afternoon games. They aren't going to be quite so anxious to pay their griz-tax

 

[get'em_griz]

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I'm not worried about any large drop off but it can be boiled down to just two points.
Problems:
1) It's a fact ticket prices are ridiculously high. We're reaching point of diminishing returns.
2) Griz haven't been dominant under Pflu/Mick so bandwagon fans are also thinning out compared to a few years ago.

Solutions:
1) Consistent winning keeps the seats filled (even with ridiculous prices).
2) An administration that stops trying to kill and eat the damn golden goose would make those fans not feel like they've been hosed when they opt to travel to Missoula and watch the Griz.

There, I have resolve all these perceived problems. :ugeek:

Not quite. The late games are killing business for the Bar Restaurant night businesses and according to at least a couple of Inn Keepers bringing fewer out of town folks those weekends because of the now two night stay........... Especially the late afternoon games. They aren't going to be quite so anxious to pay their griz-tax

The whole "late games are killing business..." Claim is bs, especially for the bars downtown.

 

[PlayerRep]

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I'm not worried about any large drop off but it can be boiled down to just two points.
Problems:
1) It's a fact ticket prices are ridiculously high. We're reaching point of diminishing returns.
2) Griz haven't been dominant under Pflu/Mick so bandwagon fans are also thinning out compared to a few years ago.

Solutions:
1) Consistent winning keeps the seats filled (even with ridiculous prices).
2) An administration that stops trying to kill and eat the damn golden goose would make those fans not feel like they've been hosed when they opt to travel to Missoula and watch the Griz.

There, I have resolve all these perceived problems. :ugeek:

Not quite. The late games are killing business for the Bar Restaurant night businesses and according to at least a couple of Inn Keepers bringing fewer out of town folks those weekends because of the now two night stay........... Especially the late afternoon games. They aren't going to be quite so anxious to pay their griz-tax

The whole "late games are killing business..." Claim is bs, especially for the bars downtown.

Night games and twilight games completely kill the restaurants. Night game also hurt the bars, as the older crowd doesn't go out after the game, or for more than a drink, and the younger crowd doesn't have as many hours to drink heavily.

 

[Dozy]

8) MSU is Montana's team and UM is irrelevant.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

Good lord this board has gotten melodramatic, even for egriz standards. You guys do realize that recruits read this board? Just hope all of them understand that most of you don't know what your talking about...

We still have the best game day experiences in the FCS. We still have one of the premier FCS programs in the country. You guys really have no idea how lucky we are to have the football program that we have. There is always room for improvement, but people seem to just want to whine and cry about the negative.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

8) MSU is Montana's team and UM is irrelevant.

I wonder if Wazzu fans talk shit on USC's message board . . .

 

[mtgriz]

Pretty standard approach to schedule an odds on winnable opponent for HC. Especially when your team draws well regardless. You could knock me over with a feather if NDSU is our HC game next year.

 

[GrizzleMoose]

The headline in today's Missoulian says "Tickets Remain for Griz Homecoming Game". Not long ago Homecoming was a difficult ticket. I think it is a combination of several things, in no particular order:
1) Tickets have gotten expensive, especially for out of town fans that need to rent a hotel, gas, etc.
2) People have taken winning for granted.
3) The game day experience has gotten stale.
4) The HC has no personality to energize the fan base.
5) Some have lost their passion after the Pflu/O'Day debacle.
6) Games are no longer "the" place for the casual/social fans.
7) The conference has many new teams that fans don't care about.

8) The game is against UNC :? :?

The last game when the new stadium record was broken was against South Dakota. Not sure what your point is as I don't see how this opponent is much different, unless joe Glenn brought in a couple thousand himself. I think having it as a night game helped attendance as it gave people the chance to make it to the game, including myself. I have young boys playing football on Saturday mornings which make it impossible for me to make early afternoon games but would be there for night games. Sorry if it doesn't bring in all the money that local businesses want/need but night games are much more manageable for a lot of people.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The headline in today's Missoulian says "Tickets Remain for Griz Homecoming Game". Not long ago Homecoming was a difficult ticket. I think it is a combination of several things, in no particular order:
1) Tickets have gotten expensive, especially for out of town fans that need to rent a hotel, gas, etc.
2) People have taken winning for granted.
3) The game day experience has gotten stale.
4) The HC has no personality to energize the fan base.
5) Some have lost their passion after the Pflu/O'Day debacle.
6) Games are no longer "the" place for the casual/social fans.
7) The conference has many new teams that fans don't care about.

8) The game is against UNC :? :?

The last game when the new stadium record was broken was against South Dakota. Not sure what your point is as I don't see how this opponent is much different, unless joe Glenn brought in a couple thousand himself. I think having it as a night game helped attendance as it gave people the chance to make it to the game, including myself. I have young boys playing football on Saturday mornings which make it impossible for me to make early afternoon games but would be there for night games. Sorry if it doesn't bring in all the money that local businesses want/need but night games are much more manageable for a lot of people.

I agree. That said, you should lock your doors and be on the lookout for the Front Street Pour Boyz. New Consigliere on board, I'm told.

 

[KingsValleyGriz]

Times have changed indeed. I live within 3 hours of 3 Pac12 schools and have been to games at each. Ticket prices are higher and even for the cup cake games the crowds are great. UM has lost direction over the past decade or more.

The days of UM dominating the BSC are all but gone. Why is that?

Other programs in the BSC or FCS used to look at Griz football as the apex of FCS football. Those days are almost gone. We have EWU to the west with crap facilities and they have been able to out recruit, out coach and out play UM.

Maybe Missoula has just become to liberal and run by to many liberals that do not realize a good football program can be the face of the university.

The powers in FCS football have shifted to upstarts and recent FCS move up programs from DII. Old powers like GSU and App State, Umass have moved on.

Griz fans expect far more than what has and is being produced. We have gone from days of knowing we would wipe the field with our foes, to wondering if we can win.

Griz football is expected to win week in and week out. Loosing or playing nail bitter games against SUU and UNC do not appease our fan base. How long will fans put up with that?

I was ok with our loss to WYO. I wanted the Griz to win certainly. The loss to NDSU was hard as it clearly showed the power shift. UM used to be NDSU. Teams came to Missoula to play the vaunted Griz. Teams arrive now confident they can win or come damn close.


UM falters even more if they do not get back to there roots or do not look to greater asperations to build on.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Times have changed indeed. I live within 3 hours of 3 Pac12 schools and have been to games at each. Ticket prices are higher and even for the cup cake games the crowds are great. UM has lost direction over the past decade or more.

The days of UM dominating the BSC are all but gone. Why is that?

Other programs in the BSC or FCS used to look at Griz football as the apex of FCS football. Those days are almost gone. We have EWU to the west with crap facilities and they have been able to out recruit, out coach and out play UM.

Maybe Missoula has just become to liberal and run by to many liberals that do not realize a good football program can be the face of the university.

The powers in FCS football have shifted to upstarts and recent FCS move up programs from DII. Old powers like GSU and App State, Umass have moved on.

Griz fans expect far more than what has and is being produced. We have gone from days of knowing we would wipe the field with our foes, to wondering if we can win.

Griz football is expected to win week in and week out. Loosing or playing nail bitter games against SUU and UNC do not appease our fan base. How long will fans put up with that?

I was ok with our loss to WYO. I wanted the Griz to win certainly. The loss to NDSU was hard as it clearly showed the power shift. UM used to be NDSU. Teams came to Missoula to play the vaunted Griz. Teams arrive now confident they can win or come damn close.


UM falters even more if they do not get back to there roots or do not look to greater asperations to build on.

If you do not progress you regress and watch others pass you by. UM use to be the only game in the area. Everyone else has upped their game giving recruits more options

Had this conversation with an ex player yesterday. If you are a top receiver where would you go to in the BSC? EWU right now.

There use to be the "it" factor. I see it in pool where a great player is given games by lesser players. The lesser player wouldn't miss the same shots against a better player. Call it pressure, I call it "it". The griz lost that. What happened after Tyson lost his first fight, the same thing.. Coastal Carolina last year is a great example. Teams use to roll over with the mystique of the Griz and wash-griz stadium.

The question is. Did the Griz get complacent?

Once you lose momentum it is hard to get it back. Every year that last National Championship gets further away and more meaningless especially if a recruit is too young to remember it

 

[get'em_griz]

I think that WA-Grizzly still has that mystique to it, but it certainly is magnified greatly when there have been dominating Montana teams playing in it. You could have the best stadium in the world, but unless a team is good/great enough to wipe out teams, then that mystique certainly won't be much of a factor.

 

[kemajic]

8) MSU is Montana's team and UM is irrelevant.

Unlike you, most did not miss last year's UM beatdown of MSU in their house. MSU last won against UM in Bozeman in 2005. Their trail of tears fans would not describe UM as irrelevant. Relevant teams win playoff games; check the MSU history on this. While EWU's porous D was exposed last week in Bozeman; it won't be its last exposure.

 

[Grizbeer]

There use to be the "it" factor. I see it in pool where a great player is given games by lesser players. The lesser player wouldn't miss the same shots against a better player. Call it pressure, I call it "it". The griz lost that. What happened after Tyson lost his first fight, the same thing.. Coastal Carolina last year is a great example. Teams use to roll over with the mystique of the Griz and wash-griz stadium.

The question is. Did the Griz get complacent?

Once you lose momentum it is hard to get it back. Every year that last National Championship gets further away and more meaningless especially if a recruit is too young to remember it

It is pretty silly to think the 1st round loss to Coastal Carolina was some sort of aberration, or reflects a new down-trend in UM football. Griz also lost 1st round playoff games at WA-Griz in 1993, 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, and needed a miracle comeback in 2009.

Odd fact #1, the Griz have only won a 1st round playoff game in an odd year 5 times (89, 95, 01, 09, 11). Griz are 5-5 in first round games in odd numbered years.

Odd fact #2, aside from the miracle comeback win in 2009 the Griz have only beaten teams from the Southland Conference in the first round of the playoffs since 2000.

The WA-Griz mystique in the playoffs appears to only apply to teams from the SLC in the first round.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

There use to be the "it" factor. I see it in pool where a great player is given games by lesser players. The lesser player wouldn't miss the same shots against a better player. Call it pressure, I call it "it". The griz lost that. What happened after Tyson lost his first fight, the same thing.. Coastal Carolina last year is a great example. Teams use to roll over with the mystique of the Griz and wash-griz stadium.

The question is. Did the Griz get complacent?

Once you lose momentum it is hard to get it back. Every year that last National Championship gets further away and more meaningless especially if a recruit is too young to remember it

It is pretty silly to think the 1st round loss to Coastal Carolina was some sort of aberration, or reflects a new down-trend in UM football. Griz also lost 1st round playoff games at WA-Griz in 1993, 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, and needed a miracle comeback in 2009.

Odd fact #1, the Griz have only won a 1st round playoff game in an odd year 5 times (89, 95, 01, 09, 11). Griz are 5-5 in first round games in odd numbered years.

Odd fact #2, aside from the miracle comeback win in 2009 the Griz have only beaten teams from the Southland Conference in the first round of the playoffs since 2000.

The WA-Griz mystique in the playoffs appears to only apply to teams from the SLC in the first round.

It was an example of losing "it" and Coastal Carolina was an example of a fair weather team coming into loud and cold not folding which others have done, like you mentioned