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Time to end it

OmegaGRIZ said:
AZGrizFan said:
Fat Bruno said:
AZGrizFan said:
I'm sorry I stole your girlfriend in high school, dude. She wasn't that good, though. So you should probably thank me.

Oh, I do thank you, dewd ... apparently she gave you the syphilis that ate your tiny brain ... I was smart enough not to touch her.

Yep. It's confirmed. Your genes definitely came from the shallow end of the pool.
His pool is empty, typical douche trying to force things on other people.

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Dat's funny ... another guy complaining about the dissemination of information that threatens his weak, little mind and it's childish preoccupations. See, I can't pass legislation all by myself. If there is legislation -- and it certainly should be forthcoming very soon in order to prevent this kind of child abuse -- then, it will be because the preponderance of our society demands it. You can then blubber about it in maudlin nostalgia while remembering the good old days with your beer drinking, pseudo-macho, fellow baboons down at the sports bar where all the tvs are tuned to anything but football. Hey, btw, I'm like really flattered that you accepted the name I gave you.
 
Yes, it is time to make it all flag football, from the small fries to the NFL. But in the mean time we need to extend UFC fights till death. You can't touch a quarter back on the helmet, but you can kick, punch, elbow, and or knee them to the bare head in UFC. You don't hear them complaining.
 
MTOutsider said:
You can't touch a quarter back on the helmet, but you can kick, punch, elbow, and or knee them to the bare head in UFC. You don't hear them complaining.
Well, the thread was about 8-13 year old kids, not adult males who were already brain-damaged
 
SoldierGriz said:
GrizGuy said:
SoldierGriz said:
And so the complete emasculation of men will continue.

You know - America used to produce men. Men who played football in leather helmets. They won World Wars and made America great.

We are moving toward gender-integrated professional flag football.


No, we're not. Jeeze, let's see if we can have an adult discussion about a legit issue. A real man doesn't need to literally destroy his brain to prove his manliness. For chrissakes, it's worth a discussion at least. If nobody cared about the young people playing the game, we wouldn't get research and potential equipment improvements like this story indicates are being pursued: http://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailtracy/2016/02/04/nfl-cte-football-concussions-injuries-helmet-vicis-zero1-super-bowl/#3e9e7ab759c5

I have no problem with this issue. I applaud the equipment advances. Our military is leading the way on much of this advancement to prevent TBI. I just question what we are doing to the young men in our softened society. Trust me ---I have led young men for dozens of years. Let's just say....they are not getting tougher. We value this "manliness" you speak of far less today than in the past.

Since this is a football discussion...I'll bow out of this conversation as frankly my point is not germane to the OP.
Genuine "toughness" or "manliness" is not measured by their ability to use a gun, wave a flag, or sit by and let permanent brain damage hurt themselves and their kids. If you think kids today are not as tough as you were, I can take you to some pretty good schools in Calif, Pennsylvania or South Carolina that would say otherwise and they produce champion football players, basket ball players, too, both men and women, and they do without exposing themselves to mindless violence on the field or floor. Maybe, things are different where you are.
 
UMGriz75 said:
MTOutsider said:
You can't touch a quarter back on the helmet, but you can kick, punch, elbow, and or knee them to the bare head in UFC. You don't hear them complaining.
Well, the thread was about 8-13 year old kids, not adult males who were already brain-damaged
We don't hate you or Fattso so don't lash out!

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GrizLA said:
SoldierGriz said:
GrizGuy said:
SoldierGriz said:
And so the complete emasculation of men will continue.

You know - America used to produce men. Men who played football in leather helmets. They won World Wars and made America great.

We are moving toward gender-integrated professional flag football.


No, we're not. Jeeze, let's see if we can have an adult discussion about a legit issue. A real man doesn't need to literally destroy his brain to prove his manliness. For chrissakes, it's worth a discussion at least. If nobody cared about the young people playing the game, we wouldn't get research and potential equipment improvements like this story indicates are being pursued: http://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailtracy/2016/02/04/nfl-cte-football-concussions-injuries-helmet-vicis-zero1-super-bowl/#3e9e7ab759c5

I have no problem with this issue. I applaud the equipment advances. Our military is leading the way on much of this advancement to prevent TBI. I just question what we are doing to the young men in our softened society. Trust me ---I have led young men for dozens of years. Let's just say....they are not getting tougher. We value this "manliness" you speak of far less today than in the past.

Since this is a football discussion...I'll bow out of this conversation as frankly my point is not germane to the OP.
Genuine "toughness" or "manliness" is not measured by their ability to use a gun, wave a flag, or sit by and let permanent brain damage hurt themselves and their kids. If you think kids today are not as tough as you were, I can take you to some pretty good schools in Calif, Pennsylvania or South Carolina that would say otherwise and they produce champion football players, basket ball players, too, both men and women, and they do without exposing themselves to mindless violence on the field or floor. Maybe, things are different where you are.
Yes guns are most definitely manly, but I gather there is a reason you can't get it.

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Best shot I ever saw was a woman ... and a very unmanly one ... Allentown is named after her. Used to run into her the first day of duck season on a little reservoir between Kickin' Horse and Lake NinnyPippy. That's before I grew up and out of all that "manliness" and quit killing ducks, a warrior which flies thousands of miles through the Autumn skies in ferocious weather and a species, even the females of which, have more balls than any homo sapien scattergunner.
 
OmegaGRIZ said:
UMGriz75 said:
MTOutsider said:
You can't touch a quarter back on the helmet, but you can kick, punch, elbow, and or knee them to the bare head in UFC. You don't hear them complaining.
Well, the thread was about 8-13 year old kids, not adult males who were already brain-damaged
We don't hate you or Fattso so don't lash out!

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The Alpha and Omega are met;
All between is ash.
 
Fat Bruno said:
AZGrizFan said:
Fat Bruno said:
UMGriz75 said:
Well, at the risk of entering into something on egriz that likely cannot be civil, no matter what ...

It's been a long time ago in our sport, nearly 25 years, but there was a concern about concussions in children. We established a study, including pediatric neurologists, sport specialists, the neuropathology specialist at that time from the NIH, and officials with deep knowledge of the sport and rule implications based on long experience in the sport.

These are questions we felt we had to answer.

1) Was there an inherent risk?
2) Were children more susceptible to the risk?
3) Was that risk such that as parents became more aware and educated, that they would view the sport negatively and reduce the participation pool?
4) Was the risk of lower juniors participation a risk to the ability to field competitive collegiate teams nationally and internationally?
5) If there was a risk, could it be minimized by changes in the rules and still preserve the fundamental purpose of the sport (the "Central Test")?
6) What should those rule changes be?
7) Would the rule changes be effective and reassure parents?
8) Could we keep the sport growing at the junior level by demonstrating competent evaluation and response to parental concerns, and preserve and grow the athlete pool at the collegiate level?
9) Did we change the rules?

The answers were "yes," except for #6, in which we spent the better part of 18 months devising the changes. Everyone was happy, and the kids were safer.

Much like the "targeting" rule change in football, none of the changes impacted the inherent purpose or practice of the sport; but they reassured parents, and did make the sport safer for the kids. Mission accomplished.

Obviously, the mission was not accomplished as this study demonstrates, nor did it ever accomplish even close to the necessary diminution of concussions. The problem with these kinds of partially successful measures is that they just give a false sense of security and encourage another generation of damaged minds. And those damaged minds run into the tens of thousands given how many kids play foot ball. Of course, the last place you're going to get a rational or objective discussion of this issue is on a fan board.

Which fits right in with YOUR agenda, since the last thing YOU appear to want is a rational or objective discussion. You immediately shit on anyone who's opinion differs from your own with insults, put downs and personal attacks. Frankly, I wonder how you're still here posting and not banned.

Yeah, because we're going to get a rational discussion from some infantile head case who thinks it's ok to damage 8 year old kid's brains as long as no one is "holding a gun to their head!!!!! Sorry, buddy, but I have to admit that I don't attempt to hold rational discussions with people that demented. Yours was not an opinion; it was a disgusting blurt from a defensive fan who cares about nothing but his piss soaked arm chair, his beer and his smudged copy of Football for Dummies.

Thanks for not letting me down, asswipe. I was beginning to wonder if you'd gotten banned.
 
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