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throwing away our future with Smithwick-Hann

Breastcheck needs to play at QB so we all can get in the arm-chair coaching business and give him a plus or minus rating. Until we see him play in a game we will never know what he can do. To me he looks great in practice but that does not count. I think Coach Harbaugh saw some great things in this kid to offer him a walk on at Stanford. Harbaugh is perhaps the best coach around. How will we know until he plays? I remember Dave Dickinson going in after an injury and he was lights out great. He did surprise coach Reed in how well he played. Same with Marvin Turk and many others that have walked through the Grizzly program and turned out super.

With all of our coaches being new at their respective positions it is hard to get a take on our players and how the coach wants to play them. Example is Joey Counts.....If I had my way he would get at least 10 carries against the cats if not more. I put Naccarato on one outside receiver with Ellis Henderson on the other side Gratton over the middle and call three passing plays in a row, toss to one of them every time as they won't be covered by msu's weak link backfield. On occasion put Trent in for a bluff and let him run or hand off. He might even find Bryce Carver wide open and he could toss him a gift!

We need a fake kick-off OR a fake punt OR a fake field goal try OR we need to take a chance on fourth and two and try to run for it! With Kemp back we will also need him on a fake pass or a real toss down the field to a tight end or RB.

It has been stated we do not have our final man at QB and I agree. But we have what we have and we must go with them and each can do some damn good things. Beating the over-rated scats will be a good thing as very few expect us to do just that.

Recruits? We have done quite well for a program with three new head coaches and the current one temporary. Soon I hope we get a head coach that is solid in what the hell he wants and makes the other coaches do as he directs. BUT until then we have what we have. A team and group of kids that have talent and will get much better in spite of the coaching situation and the presidential situation and the NCAA etc.

Thinking about our situation I think it may turn out to be a good thing in the long run. I am an inpatient human and I want wins to come right now. It is unknown at this point if we come back next season but we sure have the kids to make us go all the way.
 
Player....good news to hear recruiting has been going well. In my view, the Griz success in the past 20 years has been a result of good recruiting and depth of talent as compared to many other FCS schools. Now, it seems as if we have some catching up to do.
 
Spanky said:
Player....good news to hear recruiting has been going well. In my view, the Griz success in the past 20 years has been a result of good recruiting and depth of talent as compared to many other FCS schools. Now, it seems as if we have some catching up to do.
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Any other commitments beyond the 5 that have been reported.
 
SSH did look pretty rough yesterday. Some pretty ugly pass attempts. Even game with ISU he had some pretty lame duck throws. At this point even with SSH being slow he does better over all than TM does. Personally with a bi-week before the Brawl I would be giving AB some reps with the 1's. I think all stops should be pulled out for this last game. We need to do all we can to avoid a loosing season. Maybe SSH starts the game but if he struggles again why the hell not play AB.
A question for next year. If we have TM, SSH, AB, BG who wins the starting job? TM not a great passer. SSH not the fastest or mobile guy. AB ? have not seem much game action other than mop up. AB seems to have better wheels than SSH does however. BG ? Rookie, can he pass well against Div I talent and does he have speed?
If we are stuck with these coaches for next year I think they should format an offense that might better fit the talent we have. If we have NO QB that can run the spread then go to something that will work. Heck if that means a pro set with BG slinging it and Counts, Canada company in the spilt or I fine. Coach to strengths we have.
The spread is fun to watch when you have the personell and depth to run it ala Oregon. We are not Oregon!
 
Sorry another thought. We have a bi-week let Scats prepaid for what they have seen all season and then come in with a totally different offense to throw them off. Sort of like what Hauck did at Idaho a few years back.
 
OrgonGriz said:
Sorry another thought. We have a bi-week let Scats prepaid for what they have seen all season and then come in with a totally different offense to throw them off. Sort of like what Hauck did at Idaho a few years back.
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Triple option :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
OrgonGriz said:
Sorry another thought. We have a bi-week let Scats prepaid for what they have seen all season and then come in with a totally different offense to throw them off. Sort of like what Hauck did at Idaho a few years back.
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The GRIZ are plenty good to just line up and beat the cats straight up.
 
I don't think Brzeczek will set foot on the field at WaGriz again this season. To me, it just doesn't make much sense for him to do so. The rest of the offense is not accustomed to his timing/cadence/etc. -- and they are, more or less, used to both SSH and McK. Throwing a third QB, who, for all practical purposes, hasn't played all season, into the mix would be a mistake -- JMHO.
Come next spring, everything should start over from scratch, with all the QBs competing equally. Then we'd see how it all shakes out. However, with this coaching staff, I wonder if doing something like that, which seems so simple and reasonable, will happen....
 
'68griz said:
I don't think Brzeczek will set foot on the field at WaGriz again this season. To me, it just doesn't make much sense for him to do so. The rest of the offense is not accustomed to his timing/cadence/etc. -- and they are, more or less, used to both SSH and McK. Throwing a third QB, who, for all practical purposes, hasn't played all season, into the mix would be a mistake -- JMHO.
Come next spring, everything should start over from scratch, with all the QBs competing equally. Then we'd see how it all shakes out. However, with this coaching staff, I wonder if doing something like that, which seems so simple and reasonable, will happen....
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Including a new offense...
 
So what if we're not Oregon? There is no reason we can't run our offense in the Big Sky Conference. Our offense has not been the problem this season. Did anybody watch the Eastern Washington game?

Does anybody think we would have lost to ISU or Weber with McKinney at quarterback?

Does anybody think the win against Weber was more impressive than the Northern Colorado win?
 
Certainly both QB's have struggled at times, but I'm for starting TM who is a much better runner and can make something out of nothing (like JJ did last year). I also think TM has more upside since he is more athletic, and as a redshirt freshman can hopefullly learn to read defenses better and become a more accurate passer if given the opportunity. S-H is not going to become a better runner, although hopefully he too can learn to read defenses better and throw more accurately.
 
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
We would have lost to Weber if McKinney was QB...........
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No one knows less about football on here than me, well Grizo might by his own admission, but I believe the above remark is correct. TM does not throw the ball very well so I think Weber would have concentrated more on stopping the rush. SSH passing ability (and not saying he is a great passer, but better than TM) kept the Weber defense honest.

Ok, PR now come along and tell me I'm 100% wrong. 8-)
 
kurtismichael said:
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
We would have lost to Weber if McKinney was QB...........
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No one knows less about football on here than me, well Grizo might by his own admission, but I believe the above remark is correct. TM does not throw the ball very well so I think Weber would have concentrated more on stopping the rush. SSH passing ability (and not saying he is a great passer, but better than TM) kept the Weber defense honest.

Ok, PR now come along and tell me I'm 100% wrong. 8-)
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S-H was off in the first half, and played better in the second half, especially on the late TD drive. It occurred to me that the coaches might insert McKinney fairly early in the first half, at least for several series. Given the lack of taking advantage of good plays by the defense and STs in the first half, we might have won bigger and more easily had McKinney been inserted.
 
OrgonGriz said:
SSH did look pretty rough yesterday. Some pretty ugly pass attempts. Even game with ISU he had some pretty lame duck throws. At this point even with SSH being slow he does better over all than TM does. Personally with a bi-week before the Brawl I would be giving AB some reps with the 1's. I think all stops should be pulled out for this last game. We need to do all we can to avoid a loosing season. Maybe SSH starts the game but if he struggles again why the hell not play AB.
A question for next year. If we have TM, SSH, AB, BG who wins the starting job? TM not a great passer. SSH not the fastest or mobile guy. AB ? have not seem much game action other than mop up. AB seems to have better wheels than SSH does however. BG ? Rookie, can he pass well against Div I talent and does he have speed?
If we are stuck with these coaches for next year I think they should format an offense that might better fit the talent we have. If we have NO QB that can run the spread then go to something that will work. Heck if that means a pro set with BG slinging it and Counts, Canada company in the spilt or I fine. Coach to strengths we have.
The spread is fun to watch when you have the personell and depth to run it ala Oregon. We are not Oregon!
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this is the most logical post....with gustufson and swh on the come, and our real strenths are receivers and o/l, why not throw the ball 60 times a game....the spread is popular, but winning is more popular...
 
krammer said:
OrgonGriz said:
SSH did look pretty rough yesterday. Some pretty ugly pass attempts. Even game with ISU he had some pretty lame duck throws. At this point even with SSH being slow he does better over all than TM does. Personally with a bi-week before the Brawl I would be giving AB some reps with the 1's. I think all stops should be pulled out for this last game. We need to do all we can to avoid a loosing season. Maybe SSH starts the game but if he struggles again why the hell not play AB.
A question for next year. If we have TM, SSH, AB, BG who wins the starting job? TM not a great passer. SSH not the fastest or mobile guy. AB ? have not seem much game action other than mop up. AB seems to have better wheels than SSH does however. BG ? Rookie, can he pass well against Div I talent and does he have speed?
If we are stuck with these coaches for next year I think they should format an offense that might better fit the talent we have. If we have NO QB that can run the spread then go to something that will work. Heck if that means a pro set with BG slinging it and Counts, Canada company in the spilt or I fine. Coach to strengths we have.
The spread is fun to watch when you have the personell and depth to run it ala Oregon. We are not Oregon!
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this is the most logical post....with gustufson and swh on the come, and our real strenths are receivers and o/l, why not throw the ball 60 times a game....the spread is popular, but winning is more popular...
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Could it be we have a lot more talent at RB and can rely on the running game than our WR's and passing?
Personally, after JJ is cleared of charges, I hope he will be at the helm 2 more years. :thumb:
 
We need a good QB. That is the general agreement among the experts on board.

Who Whoo and Whoom?

That tall guy Guf from Billings could be the guy.

Breast-check could be the man and I would like to see him play. Why did he lose his second position? Over three plays? Remember he was the #2 QB at the start of the season and he had zero idea of our offense. I tend to think he could be "the guy" Hell just his name sounds like breast check makes me like the guy. Every time he is in and throws I can breast check the gal next to me.......hmmm one on each side of me. Yeah, that did it, I am for Breast check......he da man!
 
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