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Thoughts on Recruiting

citygriz

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The problem historically with recruiting at Montana is that while we can recruit a top-flight player every now and then--a Micheal Ray Richardson, Larry Krystkowiak or Derrick Pope--it's hard to put together back-to-back or even better back-to-back-to-back years, where every class is solid, and we wind up with a deep championship-caliber team. The year Micheal Ray was a senior, he was a virtual one-man gang, John Stroeder and little else. Ditto Krystkowiak's tenure, during which we had mediocre guard play. And while Wayne Tinkle, another premier big was on the way, the gap between him and Krystkowiak--freshman to senior--was too great for us to have a real solid big-man tandem. Tinks didn't emerge until Krysko was gone. That's why I'm looking at "groupings" of recruiting classes and why I'm so positive about DeCuire. Here is the way I would rank the all-time best groupings in the history of our program--that is, guys who were not only in the program together, but solid contributors to the team.

#1: Qvale, Selvig, Cherry, Jamaar. Three trips to the NCAA tournament--New Mexico, Wisconsin, Syracuse--and one grand thumping of UCLA at Pauley. (Remember, we were denied a fourth NCAA appearance by some terrible homer refs at Northern Colorado.) With these four guys on the floor at one time, they may have been the all-time best team ever at Montana.

#2: The Fabulous Frosh, plus Russ Sheriff. Ray Howard, Al Dunham and Zip Rhoades came in in one class, followed the next year by big-man Sheriff out of Helena. Howard's career--and this group--was devastated by a career-ending knee injury, one today that would be fixed good-as-new, so they never performed up to their gaudy potential. Yet for time, this was one of the all-time great recruiting coups at Montana, as pulled off by the legendary Jiggs Dahlberg.

#3: The current DeCuire regime. Year after next, at the same time, Montana will have three three-star recruits on the floor at the same time--Pridgett, Oguine, Rorie. If Alphonso Anderson, a four-star recruit joins, that will be a class of unprecedented potential at Montana. When is the last time a coach at Montana in a two-year span has brought in three three-star recruits? My only hesitation ranking them higher is, we do not yet have that three-star big man, as we had in the groups listed above. But the funny thing is, Montana has had little trouble producing good, even homegrown big men--Krystkowiak, Selvig, Engellant, Howard, Sheriff, not to mention out-of-staters Tinkle and Qvale. We might have two on the team already, if Krslovic continues to improve, and Boehning develops.

Great times to be a Griz basketball fan.
 
Very well put. Tough to compare to that first group you mentioned (Qvale, Selvig, Cherry, Jamaar). Guards have chance to be as good as that group. Any bigs in the 2016 and 2017 classes that we are close on?
 
Fortunately, the players we know who are, or will be GRIZ are all solid scorers. All we need from any future post players are great rebounding and defense, with some paint scoring.

I am hoping we get 1 of these guys in the next class.
http://verbalcommits.com/players/dontay-bassett
http://verbalcommits.com/players/timothy-soares
 
Pulling Bassett would be fantastic! #1 player on my wishlist. He took at least 1 visit with Sayeed so hopefully he's in his ear helping Decuire recruit him!
 
Surprised you missed the mid to late 70s gang. I'm doing this off the top of my head so maybe not totally accurate. Eric Hays, Ken MacKenzie, Michael Ray, the other Richardson (was it MJ?), and Lee somebody.

And Pope had some nice guards with Glass and Selvig if I recall
 
ordigger said:
Surprised you missed the mid to late 70s gang. I'm doing this off the top of my head so maybe not totally accurate. Eric Hays, Ken MacKenzie, Michael Ray, the other Richardson (was it MJ?), and Lee somebody.

And Pope had some nice guards with Glass and Selvig if I recall

Micheal John
Lee Johnson (had to forefit 11 games- was AI)
 
ordigger said:
Surprised you missed the mid to late 70s gang. I'm doing this off the top of my head so maybe not totally accurate. Eric Hays, Ken MacKenzie, Michael Ray, the other Richardson (was it MJ?), and Lee somebody.

And Pope had some nice guards with Glass and Selvig if I recall

You are absolutely right, Ordigger, I missed probably the most glorious game in our history, and totally forgot about one of the best big men ever, Ken MacKenzie.

Still, I would make the point, that while MacKenzie was a senior, Micheal Ray was a freshman--four years apart, and in that game against UCLA, Micheal Ray did not score. Think of what we might have done if Micheal Ray had been a junior or even a sophomore to pair with MacKenize in that game. And while both those guys are hall-of-famers, the guys in between were only average players--Peck, Michael John Richardson, why even Eric Hayes was a good-not-great player who had the game of his life at exactly the right moment. You would not have found any other three-star recruits on that team.
 
citay said:
ordigger said:
Surprised you missed the mid to late 70s gang. I'm doing this off the top of my head so maybe not totally accurate. Eric Hays, Ken MacKenzie, Michael Ray, the other Richardson (was it MJ?), and Lee somebody.

And Pope had some nice guards with Glass and Selvig if I recall

You are absolutely right, Ordigger, I missed probably the most glorious game in our history, and totally forgot about one of the best big men ever, Ken MacKenzie.

Still, I would make the point, that while MacKenzie was a senior, Micheal Ray was a freshman--four years apart, and in that game against UCLA, Micheal Ray did not score. Think of what we might have done if Micheal Ray had been a junior or even a sophomore to pair with MacKenize in that game. And while both those guys are hall-of-famers, the guys in between were only average players--Peck, Michael John Richardson, why even Eric Hayes was a good-not-great player who had the game of his life at exactly the right moment. You would not have found any other three-star recruits on that team.

I think MRR had 2 points in the UCLA game
 
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