Third Quarter No-Shows Cause Griz to Lose Momentum

[mtgrizrule]

So, over history of WaGRIZ, opposing coaches, opposing players, commentators, analysts, media have admitted that GRIZ NATION is a huge factor. Every GRIZ coach has mentioned the importance of having fans in the stadium for as much of the game as possible. Opposing teams choose to defer to having the ball until the 2nd half, why is that? They know damn well the crowd will NOT be as much of a factor for the 1st 6 minutes of the 2nd half!!!

Nobody here is saying the reason the GRIZ lose is strictly because of the fans. The team, coaches, players, etc acknowledge this because, it is a difference maker. The more we can do, the better!!! We fans jump coaches for not utilizing the best players and situations. Yet our own fan base, does not understand, or respect how important our fans can be, and how fans can positively influence games for the GRIZ!!!

Can we not show our team a little more appreciation and challenge ourselves to be the best fanbase we possibly can be? I don't get how some on here can bitch about the team, coaches, players, etc not doing a number of things, yet those same people cannot commit to our teams more? I guess, to those people, it is a 1 way street. It's okay, acceptable, and respectable for them to have expectations of greatness and best efforts of the team, but the team cannot have expectations of the fans???

#yesthefansdomakeadifference, #doyourshare

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Spot on! It’s why it’s called HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE!

5 false starts in the first half, several more gone unnoticed by the officials, and multiple personal fouls.... and Davis QB even said that the crowd caused them problems the entire first half. They were rattled.

All it takes is 6 minutes of a half-empty stadium in the second half to let opponents get in sync, and many fans don’t understand that. We should be making it hell for opponents all 60 minutes.

Well stated. :thumb: Why pay what one does for a ticket or tickets, if they are using it to socialize? Why even buy a ticket or tickets, if that is a main priority? It sure in the hell would make more sense to just tailgate, and not attend the game at all. The longer fans are away for the 2nd half the less advantage home field advantage is. It does give opponents to gain or take back momentum for however long it may be for.

 

[poorgriz]

So, over history of WaGRIZ, opposing coaches, opposing players, commentators, analysts, media have admitted that GRIZ NATION is a huge factor. Every GRIZ coach has mentioned the importance of having fans in the stadium for as much of the game as possible. Opposing teams choose to defer to having the ball until the 2nd half, why is that? They know damn well the crowd will NOT be as much of a factor for the 1st 6 minutes of the 2nd half!!!

Nobody here is saying the reason the GRIZ lose is strictly because of the fans. The team, coaches, players, etc acknowledge this because, it is a difference maker. The more we can do, the better!!! We fans jump coaches for not utilizing the best players and situations. Yet our own fan base, does not understand, or respect how important our fans can be, and how fans can positively influence games for the GRIZ!!!

Can we not show our team a little more appreciation and challenge ourselves to be the best fanbase we possibly can be? I don't get how some on here can bitch about the team, coaches, players, etc not doing a number of things, yet those same people cannot commit to our teams more? I guess, to those people, it is a 1 way street. It's okay, acceptable, and respectable for them to have expectations of greatness and best efforts of the team, but the team cannot have expectations of the fans???

#yesthefansdomakeadifference, #doyourshare

"God Dammit Hauck, Sneed, OLine, etc..... I'm going to finish slamming these beers and do a few more shots of fireball here but I'm not hearing a lot of cheering going on in there. When I waddle my fat ass back into that stadium at the start of the 4th quarter the griz better fuckn be winning!!!"

That is how most FCS Football followers assume how things go on Saturdays in Missoula in the fall.

 

[PlayerRep]

So, over history of WaGRIZ, opposing coaches, opposing players, commentators, analysts, media have admitted that GRIZ NATION is a huge factor. Every GRIZ coach has mentioned the importance of having fans in the stadium for as much of the game as possible. Opposing teams choose to defer to having the ball until the 2nd half, why is that? They know damn well the crowd will NOT be as much of a factor for the 1st 6 minutes of the 2nd half!!!

Nobody here is saying the reason the GRIZ lose is strictly because of the fans. The team, coaches, players, etc acknowledge this because, it is a difference maker. The more we can do, the better!!! We fans jump coaches for not utilizing the best players and situations. Yet our own fan base, does not understand, or respect how important our fans can be, and how fans can positively influence games for the GRIZ!!!

Can we not show our team a little more appreciation and challenge ourselves to be the best fanbase we possibly can be? I don't get how some on here can bitch about the team, coaches, players, etc not doing a number of things, yet those same people cannot commit to our teams more? I guess, to those people, it is a 1 way street. It's okay, acceptable, and respectable for them to have expectations of greatness and best efforts of the team, but the team cannot have expectations of the fans???

#yesthefansdomakeadifference, #doyourshare

Good post, and true.

I don't care if fans don't come back in the 3d.

However, I sure hope they aren't the ones bitching about losing momentum and games in the second half. Also, I think the naysayers should be reccogizing that the the lack of crowd and noise in the 3d quarter can be "a" factor (not "the" factor). Yesterday, I believe it was "a" factor. One of a number of factors. Davis got back on its feet, stopped making penalties, and got its confidence back as the 3d quarter went on. Davis did not come out in the 3d quarter, with its A game all back. They were still finding their way, in my view. The Griz needed every arrow in their quiver to keep them momentum and hold off Davis. One arrow was missing.

 

[PlayerRep]

The momentum.

UM plays well in the first half, leading 21-3 at half. Davis is very bothered by the crowd, getting multiple false starts, etc. Davis seems to be losing its cool later the first half, with mistakes and multiple late hit penalties. However, Davis has no turnovers, and ends the game with no turnovers.

What halftime adjustments should make, with UM up 21-3 and having held Davis to 113 yards of TO, is my recollection?

Davis gets kickoff to start the second half. UM forces a quick punt by Davis on its first drive. UM offense has 6 plays for 33 yards. Williams has nice 31 yard punt to the Davis 5, fair catch.

Davis has nice 12-play drive, but gets only a 41 yard FG at 7:22. Davis has false start and personal foul on drive, but Buss follows it up with a 15 yard personal foul. Davis starting to wake up, but UM holding and not falling apart.

UM drives 10-41, and at 4th and 1, UM goes for it and Lee doesn't get it, at 3:22. His only rush of the game. UM tries to do a quick play, but ref holds up play at ball, and then comes out going right through backfield. In retrospect, UM probably should have stopped the quick play at that point (no surprise left), and figured out a better play.

This was a huge momentum shift. Just huge.

Davis runs a trick receiver pass for 56 yards, by far its longest pass of the day. Davis scores 3 plays later, in 1:05 and at 2:17. I told my wife to watch out for Davis to come at us hard. The Davis confidence is now way up and they are ready to roll, even tho UM still up 21-13.

UM goes 3 and out. I think this is when UM went for a longer pass on first down, incomplete. Williams punt goes 38 and is fair caught. Would have been nice to have a big punt there.

At quarter, Davis is fired up. I commented to my wife that the Griz seemed not to have great excitement and confidence, as they gathered at the sidelines. They probably felt Davis picking up steam and now fully confident.

Davis goes 10 for 63, to tie the game. Makes 2-pt conversion. Davis is starting to take control of the game and clearly has the momentum.

Davis scores quickly in 3-82, on 56 yard run. Catches UM in a blitz from outside, and runner has big hole and only 1 person to beat in the secondary. Davis up 28-21 at 10:59 to go in game.

Sneed sacked on 3d down, and Davis recovers fumbles at UM 14. Sneed hit as he throws as backer gets around lineman quickly from Sneed's right as he looks left. Not Sneed's fault.

Davis scores quickly. 35-21. 9:13.

Sneed throws bad pick in flat on first play, after Calhoun false start. Davis scores quickly. 42-21.

Thought Humphrey should have gotten into the game at this point.

Davis had 11 penalties in first half, and 3 in the second half. UM had 5 for the game.

I felt sick for the team.

Congrats to Davis.

So, am I right in thinking that none of the naysayers are capable of commenting on this post?

Or, do they just want to think what they think, and ignore what happened?

Maybe I missed this, but did anyone but me comment on Sneed's run where he jumped over the defender at mid-field? Is his pick when UM was down 42-21 with 7 minutes to go more newsworthy, or more part of their agenda? The pick got mentioned a dozen or two times.

 

[Griz Time]

So, over history of WaGRIZ, opposing coaches, opposing players, commentators, analysts, media have admitted that GRIZ NATION is a huge factor. Every GRIZ coach has mentioned the importance of having fans in the stadium for as much of the game as possible. Opposing teams choose to defer to having the ball until the 2nd half, why is that? They know damn well the crowd will NOT be as much of a factor for the 1st 6 minutes of the 2nd half!!!

Nobody here is saying the reason the GRIZ lose is strictly because of the fans. The team, coaches, players, etc acknowledge this because, it is a difference maker. The more we can do, the better!!! We fans jump coaches for not utilizing the best players and situations. Yet our own fan base, does not understand, or respect how important our fans can be, and how fans can positively influence games for the GRIZ!!!

Can we not show our team a little more appreciation and challenge ourselves to be the best fanbase we possibly can be? I don't get how some on here can bitch about the team, coaches, players, etc not doing a number of things, yet those same people cannot commit to our teams more? I guess, to those people, it is a 1 way street. It's okay, acceptable, and respectable for them to have expectations of greatness and best efforts of the team, but the team cannot have expectations of the fans???

#yesthefansdomakeadifference, #doyourshare

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Spot on! It’s why it’s called HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE!

5 false starts in the first half, several more gone unnoticed by the officials, and multiple personal fouls.... and Davis QB even said that the crowd caused them problems the entire first half. They were rattled.

All it takes is 6 minutes of a half-empty stadium in the second half to let opponents get in sync, and many fans don’t understand that. We should be making it hell for opponents all 60 minutes.

Um, no. Period.
About as equivalent as loud and cold.

 

[PlayerRep]

So, over history of WaGRIZ, opposing coaches, opposing players, commentators, analysts, media have admitted that GRIZ NATION is a huge factor. Every GRIZ coach has mentioned the importance of having fans in the stadium for as much of the game as possible. Opposing teams choose to defer to having the ball until the 2nd half, why is that? They know damn well the crowd will NOT be as much of a factor for the 1st 6 minutes of the 2nd half!!!

Nobody here is saying the reason the GRIZ lose is strictly because of the fans. The team, coaches, players, etc acknowledge this because, it is a difference maker. The more we can do, the better!!! We fans jump coaches for not utilizing the best players and situations. Yet our own fan base, does not understand, or respect how important our fans can be, and how fans can positively influence games for the GRIZ!!!

Can we not show our team a little more appreciation and challenge ourselves to be the best fanbase we possibly can be? I don't get how some on here can bitch about the team, coaches, players, etc not doing a number of things, yet those same people cannot commit to our teams more? I guess, to those people, it is a 1 way street. It's okay, acceptable, and respectable for them to have expectations of greatness and best efforts of the team, but the team cannot have expectations of the fans???

#yesthefansdomakeadifference, #doyourshare

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Spot on! It’s why it’s called HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE!

5 false starts in the first half, several more gone unnoticed by the officials, and multiple personal fouls.... and Davis QB even said that the crowd caused them problems the entire first half. They were rattled.

All it takes is 6 minutes of a half-empty stadium in the second half to let opponents get in sync, and many fans don’t understand that. We should be making it hell for opponents all 60 minutes.

Um, no. Period.
About as equivalent as loud and cold.

Um, no, to your post. Were you there? Do you not understand the game of football? Good post, get em.

 

[kemajic]

Or maybe it’s time to give some credit to UC Davis for grasping the momentum and taking it to the Griz? In spite of a very hostile environment for a visiting team, the Aggies showed what kind of team they are .

And the MT Grizzlies showed the kind of team they are. An offense with such an anemic line is never going to do a lot. Once UCD figured out the mis-directions in today's playbook and adjusted, they couldn't be fooled any more.

The momentum was lost, when the Griz offense could no longer protect the ball. UCD got a turnover, and turned it into points. Then, they did the same thing two more times. After a clean first half, the turnovers were the momentum shift. You can't blame the lack of crowd noise for giveaways like that. If anything, those suck as much wind out of the crowd as it does the bench.

No, the momentum had turned before UM turnovers in the second half. Of course, the turnovers hurt, but they came well after the momentum shifted to Davis.

The point of the momentum shift was with Buss's PF in the second UCD posession of the second half. We held them cold the first possession and was holding them again until the gift. Then off they went.

 

[PlayerRep]

Or maybe it’s time to give some credit to UC Davis for grasping the momentum and taking it to the Griz? In spite of a very hostile environment for a visiting team, the Aggies showed what kind of team they are .

And the MT Grizzlies showed the kind of team they are. An offense with such an anemic line is never going to do a lot. Once UCD figured out the mis-directions in today's playbook and adjusted, they couldn't be fooled any more.

The momentum was lost, when the Griz offense could no longer protect the ball. UCD got a turnover, and turned it into points. Then, they did the same thing two more times. After a clean first half, the turnovers were the momentum shift. You can't blame the lack of crowd noise for giveaways like that. If anything, those suck as much wind out of the crowd as it does the bench.

No, the momentum had turned before UM turnovers in the second half. Of course, the turnovers hurt, but they came well after the momentum shifted to Davis.

The point of the momentum shift was with Buss's PF in the second UCD posession of the second half. We held them cold the first possession and was holding them again until the gift. Then off they went.

See the 4th para in my summary.

 

[Griz Time]

So, over history of WaGRIZ, opposing coaches, opposing players, commentators, analysts, media have admitted that GRIZ NATION is a huge factor. Every GRIZ coach has mentioned the importance of having fans in the stadium for as much of the game as possible. Opposing teams choose to defer to having the ball until the 2nd half, why is that? They know damn well the crowd will NOT be as much of a factor for the 1st 6 minutes of the 2nd half!!!

Nobody here is saying the reason the GRIZ lose is strictly because of the fans. The team, coaches, players, etc acknowledge this because, it is a difference maker. The more we can do, the better!!! We fans jump coaches for not utilizing the best players and situations. Yet our own fan base, does not understand, or respect how important our fans can be, and how fans can positively influence games for the GRIZ!!!

Can we not show our team a little more appreciation and challenge ourselves to be the best fanbase we possibly can be? I don't get how some on here can bitch about the team, coaches, players, etc not doing a number of things, yet those same people cannot commit to our teams more? I guess, to those people, it is a 1 way street. It's okay, acceptable, and respectable for them to have expectations of greatness and best efforts of the team, but the team cannot have expectations of the fans???

#yesthefansdomakeadifference, #doyourshare

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Spot on! It’s why it’s called HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE!

5 false starts in the first half, several more gone unnoticed by the officials, and multiple personal fouls.... and Davis QB even said that the crowd caused them problems the entire first half. They were rattled.

All it takes is 6 minutes of a half-empty stadium in the second half to let opponents get in sync, and many fans don’t understand that. We should be making it hell for opponents all 60 minutes.

Um, no. Period.
About as equivalent as loud and cold.

Um, no, to your post. Were you there? Do you not understand the game of football? Good post, get em.

Been happening since the 90's rep. Looks the same as western Illinois.

 

[PlayerRep]

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Spot on! It’s why it’s called HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE!

5 false starts in the first half, several more gone unnoticed by the officials, and multiple personal fouls.... and Davis QB even said that the crowd caused them problems the entire first half. They were rattled.

All it takes is 6 minutes of a half-empty stadium in the second half to let opponents get in sync, and many fans don’t understand that. We should be making it hell for opponents all 60 minutes.

Um, no. Period.
About as equivalent as loud and cold.

Um, no, to your post. Were you there? Do you not understand the game of football? Good post, get em.

Been happening since the 90's rep. Looks the same as western Illinois.

I know it happens. However, do you understand that it can and does have an impact on some games?

Again, were you at the game?

 

[Griz Time]

I do. Used to get frustrated about it. No different than many stadiums, really.
Team has more problems than a mid 3rd q empty stadium.

 

[GrizLA]

I do. Used to get frustrated about it. No different than many stadiums, really.
Team has more problems than a mid 3rd q empty stadium.

True. And, the Griz best return to winning form or that loud and cold stadium will be a lot less crowded and loud, and if the team depends upon the noise to win, that could be a real pisser.

 

[kemajic]

Season ticket sales for 2019 are positioned to take a hit without a strong three game finish against teams with a combined 8-16 record.

 

[PlayerRep]

I thought some of you had been saying that losses wouldn't hurt attendance if UM struggled a bit if/when moving to FBS.

I don't disagree with the comments on next year's attendance, but don't know either.

 

[retiredpopo]

Season ticket sales for 2019 are positioned to take a hit without a strong three game finish against teams with a combined 8-16 record.

We just need to add more seats and raise the prices that will get attendance up.

 

[Griz2k]

For those that believe this is a non-issue, does the phrase "take the crowd out of the game" mean anything to you? You hear it in every major sport. Do you believe that players do not feed off the crowd's energy?

 

[PlayerRep]

For those that believe this is a non-issue, does the phrase "take the crowd out of the game" mean anything to you? You hear it in every major sport. Do you believe that players do not feed off the crowd's energy?

Good point. I'm changing the thread title to: "Bad Fans Lose Game for Griz: Believe Alcohol Is More Important than Winning"

 

[Griz2k]

For those that believe this is a non-issue, does the phrase "take the crowd out of the game" mean anything to you? You hear it in every major sport. Do you believe that players do not feed off the crowd's energy?

Good point. I'm changing the thread title to: "Bad Fans Lose Game for Griz: Believe Alcohol Is More Important than Winning"

:lol:

 

[jodcon]

All I know is when Stitt and Jensen were running this show it didn't matter when we came back, if ever...there wouldn't be 46 more points on the scoreboard for the visitors. Hauck needs to adjust his thinking...this isn't Sam Boyd where there's nothing to do at halftime except stand in the dirt and sweat. This is real football Robert.

 

[argh!]

The momentum.

UM plays well in the first half, leading 21-3 at half. Davis is very bothered by the crowd, getting multiple false starts, etc. Davis seems to be losing its cool later the first half, with mistakes and multiple late hit penalties. However, Davis has no turnovers, and ends the game with no turnovers.

What halftime adjustments should make, with UM up 21-3 and having held Davis to 113 yards of TO, is my recollection?

Davis gets kickoff to start the second half. UM forces a quick punt by Davis on its first drive. UM offense has 6 plays for 33 yards. Williams has nice 31 yard punt to the Davis 5, fair catch.

Davis has nice 12-play drive, but gets only a 41 yard FG at 7:22. Davis has false start and personal foul on drive, but Buss follows it up with a 15 yard personal foul. Davis starting to wake up, but UM holding and not falling apart.

UM drives 10-41, and at 4th and 1, UM goes for it and Lee doesn't get it, at 3:22. His only rush of the game. UM tries to do a quick play, but ref holds up play at ball, and then comes out going right through backfield. In retrospect, UM probably should have stopped the quick play at that point (no surprise left), and figured out a better play.

This was a huge momentum shift. Just huge.

Davis runs a trick receiver pass for 56 yards, by far its longest pass of the day. Davis scores 3 plays later, in 1:05 and at 2:17. I told my wife to watch out for Davis to come at us hard. The Davis confidence is now way up and they are ready to roll, even tho UM still up 21-13.

UM goes 3 and out. I think this is when UM went for a longer pass on first down, incomplete. Williams punt goes 38 and is fair caught. Would have been nice to have a big punt there.

At quarter, Davis is fired up. I commented to my wife that the Griz seemed not to have great excitement and confidence, as they gathered at the sidelines. They probably felt Davis picking up steam and now fully confident.

Davis goes 10 for 63, to tie the game. Makes 2-pt conversion. Davis is starting to take control of the game and clearly has the momentum.

Davis scores quickly in 3-82, on 56 yard run. Catches UM in a blitz from outside, and runner has big hole and only 1 person to beat in the secondary. Davis up 28-21 at 10:59 to go in game.

Sneed sacked on 3d down, and Davis recovers fumbles at UM 14. Sneed hit as he throws as backer gets around lineman quickly from Sneed's right as he looks left. Not Sneed's fault.

Davis scores quickly. 35-21. 9:13.

Sneed throws bad pick in flat on first play, after Calhoun false start. Davis scores quickly. 42-21.

Thought Humphrey should have gotten into the game at this point.

Davis had 11 penalties in first half, and 3 in the second half. UM had 5 for the game.

I felt sick for the team.

Congrats to Davis.

So, am I right in thinking that none of the naysayers are capable of commenting on this post?

Or, do they just want to think what they think, and ignore what happened?

Maybe I missed this, but did anyone but me comment on Sneed's run where he jumped over the defender at mid-field? Is his pick when UM was down 42-21 with 7 minutes to go more newsworthy, or more part of their agenda? The pick got mentioned a dozen or two times.

merry halloween, greenie:


regarding halftime adjustments, since things were going well, i think a coach would talk to the team about the adjustments uc davis might make, and how to respond.

surprise/catch them off guard moment on the 4th down play was eliminated by officials holding the ball, and the griz had a smaller, fresh off a long stay on the bench guy in at running back. would've been smarter to slow it down and run a play with more thought behind it at that point.

not much to be done about the trick play.

regarding the start of the 4th quarter, about the only guy with a real chance to get the team more into it is the coach. call them together and try to get everyone to buy in to the idea that they will win.

regarding the long run, perhaps better play calling by the defensive coordinator would have helped.

regarding the sack/fumble, didn't sneed scramble some before? given the pressure uc davis was getting, maybe the griz should have had someone who can pass the ball the ball quickly as a qb? sneed seems to me "to take an extra second to aim" his passes, so has a slow release. presume the time taken to "aim" is because of poor accuracy when not doing so.

calhoun false start on it's own was a little disheartening, because it was at a key moment, and calhoun had been a big plus on offense in the game. his presence certainly had made the offensive line look more like they aren't as bad as most of egriz, along with bobby (apparently) proclaims. i believe he had 16 rushes for 73 yards in his limited time playing.

regarding changing qbs, that is always a tough question, and one would think the coach should know best. haven't seen evidence it was a good or bad move to keep sneed at qb.

as for the uc davis penalties in the first half, i think at least a couple, and probably more, were at least in part due to them responding to what looked to me like cheap play by the griz, i.e. the leg twist and robby hauck's shoving a uc davis guy's face mask upwards after a play.