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"They don't deserve it"

havgrizfan said:
Well said Brint. You're always on the money.

Secondly, it's playoff BERTH. If people are gonna bash their own favorite team about not deserving the playoffs, at least spell it right. Geez. No one is giving BIRTH. lol.

Thirdly, "deserve" or in this case "not deserve" doesn't have anything to do with it. As I stated before, the Griz may still not get in with a win over the Cats, in fact, I think it will be exactly like 2010. They'll be the last one out. BUT, they will be the most heavily discussed bubble team in the room, and it won't even be close.

Lastly, I firmly believe that a very selct few posters, not many, but a select few, equate not making the playoffs to the head coach being fired and that's why they pull for the Griz to not make the playoffs. Again, it's very few, but those few have always tipped their hand at that.
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The most discussed bubble team? You say that as if it is significant. Please explain.
 
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Good stuff BW. You almost always present your opinions in such an articulate way that even if you disagree, you have to respect the opinion. You might want to go into politics.
 
G-BEARS said:
Every team's players work just as hard essentially, putting in the hours, work, etc. If we get in there is a good chance it will be based on money that we bring in to the NCAA. Hence, that we don't deserve it. Because it may leave a team of more deserving kids out of the playoffs. Get off your high horse.
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Yeah... and those teams have their own fans to root for them. I choose to root for our players to have the opportunity to compete in the playoffs. I continue to believe that they are capable of beating anyone. Not a "high horse" statement. It's a personal belief and its as or more fair to be critical of other fans and their whiny attitudes than it is being critical of players and coaches performance.

The frustration is the fans that say the players suck, question their motivation, and are rooting for them not to make the playoffs (some even are rooting we lose to the cats). Rooting for them not to make the playoffs, because they as fans are afraid they will lose badly or think that it would increase the possibility of a coaching changes.
 
BWahlberg said:
But "we" as fans are unqualified to state what this team does and doesn't deserve.
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I admire the un-selfconscious declaration followed by stating what this team does, in fact, "deserve." It is a nice cognitive dissonance.

I did not pay much attention to the discussions involving playoffs, in large part because I read them as being interpretations of NCAA rules and the selection process. Being on an NCAA committee at the moment, and hating every minute of it, reading yet another set of rules was just not high on my list.

However, my take-away from the brief reads was that the various posters arguing about it were arguing about whether a particular record and history "deserved" a playoff spot under the rules and how those rules are variously applied, and, for instance, that a team generating a high revenue for hosting a playoff game might receive a preferential treatment compensating for a poorer season record.

I don't recall that anyone argued that "this team" or "these players" did not "deserve" post-season play.

Did anyone actually say that?
 
I did say that the Griz didn't deserve it. I think they will get in, but I don't think they should. If they are one of the top 4 teams in the BSC, and they take 4 out of the conference, they deserve it. If they finish 4th or 5th, and they take 3, then the Griz didn't deserve it.

I don't think it is right to jump a team in a conference, for another team further down the conference rankings. Right now, we are 8th in the conference. If some teams lose, we move up to 4th-5th? Northern Colorado and NAU both beat us. I am not sure how you justify leaving some of those teams above us out.

This isn't anything about the effort of the players, or the players themselves. I know quite a few of them, and they are all good kids. It isn't anything about getting Stitt fired. I have been a supporter. I hope he proves everyone wrong.

It is about the collective results of the year. I think if they do put UM in, it is a nod to the history, not a nod to the results this year. And if they do get in, I hope they prove everyone like me wrong, and shove it up everyone's ass.

So I will be that fan. I'm OK with it. And FTC!!!
 
BWahlberg said:
Big week this week, we've got Griz-Cat in what certainly is the last game of the season for the cats and what might be / could be / probably will be the last game for the Griz. As posted in multiple other threads the Griz have a shot if they win and finish at 7-4. I've made compelling arguments for the Griz (as have others) and I've read compelling arguments against as well.

But the most frustrating thing I've seen over and over is the suggestion that if the Griz beat the cats "they don't deserve" a playoff birth from fans and from one local paper sports writer (not AJ).

"They don't deserve it" is maybe one of the dumbest generalizations a fan could make of this team. What actual realm of understanding would a fan be able to make the judgement call on what this team deserves? We go to the games, we pay for our tickets, we watch on TV, some of us piss and moan (while others sugar-coat) on egriz.

But "we" as fans are unqualified to state what this team does and doesn't deserve.

We haven't put in near the commitment of these players and these coaches. Think about what all they've done to get to this point, especially the seniors who have been on quite a journey, most having seen 3 coaching/system changes. We didn't get up at 5am in the winter/spring for conditioning, go through spring ball, go through a summer program, fall camp, and then 11 weeks so far of a regular season in the same fashion this team has. We've got it easy.

Personally, I hope we crush the cats, I hope we get some luck with other games around the FCS, and I hope we can see this team continue to play football in 2016. I'm a fan, I want the best for this program, and I hope they can keep it going. This team has a goal to get to the playoffs, and despite how tricky that goal may seem, I hope they can still achieve it.

Go Griz
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Good post, Brint.
 
I like the idea and intention of the original post. I guess the question boils down to are they a top 24 team? Based on all variables and assignment if in fact they meet that threshold then they should be selected for the playoffs. They should pick the teams that would make the playoffs the most competitive. The team needs to play the Griz/cat game as if it is the determining factor. Hope they are fired up and open a can of whoop ass Saturday. 4 in a row baby :thumb:
 
I don't think anyone meant the players don't deserve it in the way the OP portrays it. Just another long drawn out way to kiss their ass and act like a super fan.
 
A lot of knee jerk reactions after losing to Northern Colorado, a 4 or more TD win over the Cats will have us saying we should get in. The players deserve it more than anyone if the committee so decides. If we do get in we are all going to be stoked for playoff football, and maybe somehow we put it together and get some wins. That's the shame of it all, this team has not played their best game yet this year. 7 and 4 should actually get us in, but the 4 losses were all in conference, and that is where we have gotten to say we don't deserve a spot. If anyone deserves a spot it's the fans, for continuing to lead the nation in attendance, Washington Grizzly deserves the playoffs!
 
I do hope we get in--the players, coaches and Griz Nation know that means beating The Shi##y Kitties on Saturday, hopefully convincingly, decisively by more than say 2 TD's, and the team will have done it's part. They will have controlled the part of the playoff equation that they can control, and then it is up to the selection committee.

GrizPack does, however, make a cogent, articulate argument on why we shouldn't get into the playoffs, complete with the wish that the team and coaches prove him wrong--I have no problem with that line of thinking, either.

Hopefully, the players follow that old football cliché and proverb this Saturday--everyone does his 1/11th--and we'll have a big win over The Shi##y Kitties to celebrate Saturday night !!!

If we win Saturday, I say we have earned our spot in the playoffs--hopefully the selection committee agrees !!!
 
Brother Bear said:
The Griz have won 6 games, potential for 7 this Saturday.

Sep 03, 2016 SAINT FRANCIS W 41-31
Sep 10, 2016 at #3 UNI W 20-14
* Oct 01, 2016 #24 SOUTHERN UTAH W 43-20
Oct 08, 2016 MISS. VALLEY STATE W 67-7
* Oct 15, 2016 SACRAMENTO STATE W 68-7
* Nov 05, 2016 IDAHO STATE W 62-44 6-3-0 3-3-0 3:34

Saint Francis is ranked in the top 25 and is a playoff bound football team. I think that is a meaningful win. Griz are 3-0 in the non-conference. Griz won on September 10th @ the number 3 team in the country! A superbly meaningful win and game. Griz beat the #24 team in the country on Oct. 1st at that time. At home the Griz have absolutely turned the scoreboard into a pinball machine. The Griz have been ranked in the top 25 in every FCS poll this entire year, being as high as #6. In the Saragrin rankings, the griz are in the best 24 teams of the FCS. If you look at playoff selection criteria, the Griz meet the criteria and are currently squarly on the bubble. What I don't get is how people say Griz don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Have you seriously watched FCS football besides the Big Sky Conference and games not involving the Griz? Have you looked at the other teams on the bubble and their resumes? Teams on the bubble are on the bubble for a reason... they darn screwed up a few times during the regular season.

One interesting stat, the Griz seem to play 2x better when at least 11,000 people are in the stands watching the game live :)
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Wow. Just stop. You guys gotta just step back from the keyboard, sit out a few plays. That win list above is pretty shitty, and short. Just accept it. You've lost more Goddamn conference games than you've won for Chrissakes... and there's only one game left. Ya, I'm fully aware that my Cats aren't very good this year so shut it. But please don't pretend like you're a NC caliber team.
 
All in the context of "deserve". If you pull up historical threads I bet you will find some when they were going to expand the field from 16 and then to 24. Posters were saying it was a travesty as the FCS was going more towards the BCS and letting "undeserving" teams in the playoffs. Teams that played in subpar conferences that were not very good yet giving them an autobid and leaving teams out from stronger conferences. Letting teams in that just had to get to 7 D1 wins to qualify to get in and this would water down the playoffs....maybe people are frustrated that Montana is now one of those schools that needs a break to get in the playoffs where 10 years ago that would have been unheard of....not saying that is what is going on
 
poorgriz said:
Brother Bear said:
The Griz have won 6 games, potential for 7 this Saturday.

Sep 03, 2016 SAINT FRANCIS W 41-31
Sep 10, 2016 at #3 UNI W 20-14
* Oct 01, 2016 #24 SOUTHERN UTAH W 43-20
Oct 08, 2016 MISS. VALLEY STATE W 67-7
* Oct 15, 2016 SACRAMENTO STATE W 68-7
* Nov 05, 2016 IDAHO STATE W 62-44 6-3-0 3-3-0 3:34

Saint Francis is ranked in the top 25 and is a playoff bound football team. I think that is a meaningful win. Griz are 3-0 in the non-conference. Griz won on September 10th @ the number 3 team in the country! A superbly meaningful win and game. Griz beat the #24 team in the country on Oct. 1st at that time. At home the Griz have absolutely turned the scoreboard into a pinball machine. The Griz have been ranked in the top 25 in every FCS poll this entire year, being as high as #6. In the Saragrin rankings, the griz are in the best 24 teams of the FCS. If you look at playoff selection criteria, the Griz meet the criteria and are currently squarly on the bubble. What I don't get is how people say Griz don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Have you seriously watched FCS football besides the Big Sky Conference and games not involving the Griz? Have you looked at the other teams on the bubble and their resumes? Teams on the bubble are on the bubble for a reason... they darn screwed up a few times during the regular season.

One interesting stat, the Griz seem to play 2x better when at least 11,000 people are in the stands watching the game live :)
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Wow. Just stop. You guys gotta just step back from the keyboard, sit out a few plays. That win list above is pretty shitty, and short. Just accept it. You've lost more Goddamn conference games than you've won for Chrissakes... and there's only one game left. Ya, I'm fully aware that my Cats aren't very good this year so shut it. But please don't pretend like you're a NC caliber team.
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Just because when the Cats make the playoffs, your fanbase goes overboard and thinks they are competing for a national championship, doesn't mean this guy is saying it. I think he is trying to argue that we're a playoff calibre team, very different.
 
While it is no secret that I believe there are circumstances where a team can conceivably buy their way into the playoffs, I never once stated that I believed that this was the only way this year's Griz team would get in. If that was somehow inferred then the inference is incorrect.

In point of fact I do believe that when all things are considered the Griz, with a win this week do prove themselves one of the best 24 teams in the country and I would hope that regardless of what anyone else does, the committee feels the same way. I do think that both the St. Francis win and the Northern Iowa win help to solidify this position.

The most important result here in the late going is not what will happen this weekend but rather NAU's loss this past weekend, which knocked them out of consideration.
 
After the loss to UNC, I honestly thought, the GRIZ playoff chances were gone. Fortunately, there are 24 teams, and I really don't see 24 better teams than the GRIZ. It would be interesting for the auto bid teams to be polled. Which of these bubble team would you prefer not to play in the playoffs? My guess would be, the GRIZ would be listed quite often. They are a damn good 4 loss team. They are likely the most talented 4 loss, or even 3 loss team that will be in the playoffs.

Seeded teams will not want to see a very motivated GRIZ team in the playoffs. 4 losses or not, they are capable of beating any team in the playoffs.

As for the "they don't deserve it" mentality. Keep in mind, a 7-4 season is not too acceptable by many GRIZ fans, or even any coach. I am sure, Coach Stitt, the players, and his staff all would agree that 7-4 is not acceptable in GRIZ terms. However, that doesn't mean that they are not deserving to be in the playoffs. It depends on which set of criteria a fan uses. I could make an argument either way regarding this year's GRIZ team. However, I tend to see things has half full verses half empty.

I truly hope the GRIZ will be in the playoffs.
 
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