"There's nothing the Griz can do to beat..."

[EverettGriz]

Both colter and Andrew need to acknowledge that bad take. They stated on numerous occasions that the cats were better at nearly every position, and there was a huge drop off in depth too. Well, 37-7 fellas. Bad take

Reading Stubers skyline article on the game the cats were this close to winning yesterday. All they needed was to not drop a sure touchdown, not miss a wide open receiver, hit both field goals and run out the clock in the first half - this extra 23 points would have allowed the cats to overcome a 30 point loss.
So close.

Ha! That was my take after reading that too. Almost as if the bubs doinked a 67 yard field goal off the upright that would have given them the win. I had to go back to the espn app twice during that article to confirm it really was the ass whoopin I witnessed

 

[Oldskoolgriz]

All I know is now the real season begins. None of this will matter if we can't get to Frisco and win the Natty. While winning the Big Sky is great and dominating the Cats was wonderful. It would feel much better if we face the Cats again at home and dominate them twice in one year and go on to win the NC. We got a long bye until we play in 2 weeks and according to Bobby, it seems like he gave the kids 2/3 days off. I hope we stay focused and heal up and stay healthy. Please God let none of our kids get sick or hurt. I truly believe we can run the table, if we stay focused and healthy.

 

[3-7-77]

I learned LONG AGO that when I was wrong, then admit it, make necessary changes, and refocus my efforts at becoming right, and credible.

He(Colter)admitted being wrong in his recent post. Now the real work begins for him. First, sweep NOTHING under the rug. It's already over-loaded. Now, he has to be a journalist. No excuses. None of that 'its not what we do' BS. He has to call out MSdUi for their coverup, which turned a couple misdemeanors into a real crime. The NCAA will have something to say about all this.

I don't think he has the will power to change. Leopards don't change their spots. He's already thrown the Griz under the bus, so he has already lost some of his potential market. Maybe that's the real reason for his pandering post, loss of market. Dwindling revenue? Going broke? Shutting him off is MY response him. Not for everybody. I'm not lobbying for anything, as he seems to be doing.

 

[Alaska Griz]

All I know is now the real season begins. None of this will matter if we can't get to Frisco and win the Natty. While winning the Big Sky is great and dominating the Cats was wonderful. It would feel much better if we face the Cats again at home and dominate them twice in one year and go on to win the NC. We got a long bye until we play in 2 weeks and according to Bobby, it seems like he gave the kids 2/3 days off. I hope we stay focused and heal up and stay healthy. Please God let none of our kids get sick or hurt. I truly believe we can run the table, if we stay focused and healthy.

I think we can run the table, and we just might, but it all still matters. Everything that has happened to this point.

 

[garizzalies]

They were right. And they were absolutely right that we were all throwing that stuff at the Cats about the DUI's because we didn't have a lot to come back with.

... We were overly focused on those charges because the Cats were rolling and we were scared. They weren't wrong, everyone just hated hearing it.

Nope. They were dead fucking wrong.

Who gives a shit what message boards are saying? How should that control anything, especially reporting the news? Journalists should not react to message board blather. Or even engage for that matter.

It was the biggest bubcat troll job ever. I can’t believe people try to excuse it. Hell, the dude himself still hasn’t addressed it. He may have sampled some crow for his horrible take on the field, but nothing for his stupid off the field take.

Worst part, he literally advertised it as covering the bub news of the dui stories but flipped it to a bash-The-Griz-hour.

Classic bait-n-switch trolling at its best.

He got all kinds of first time Griz fans to tune in, including my 82yro furious uncle who will skin him alive as soon as one of his tanning frames is free.

 

[kemajic]

I’m fine if people keep doubting them and saying that this is a one horse race involving only SDSU. This team thrives on that.

Montana is 8-0 vs. SDSU.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

They were right. And they were absolutely right that we were all throwing that stuff at the Cats about the DUI's because we didn't have a lot to come back with.

... We were overly focused on those charges because the Cats were rolling and we were scared. They weren't wrong, everyone just hated hearing it.

Nope. They were dead fucking wrong.

Who gives a shit what message boards are saying? How should that control anything, especially reporting the news? Journalists should not react to message board blather. Or even engage for that matter.

It was the biggest bubcat troll job ever. I can’t believe people try to excuse it. Hell, the dude himself still hasn’t addressed it. He may have sampled some crow for his horrible take on the field, but nothing for his stupid off the field take.

Worst part, he literally advertised it as covering the bub news of the dui stories but flipped it to a bash-The-Griz-hour.

Classic bait-n-switch trolling at its best.

He got all kinds of first time Griz fans to tune in, including my 82yro furious uncle who will skin him alive as soon as one of his tanning frames is free.

I feel like there is a bit of dissonance here, and maybe I am missing part of this. When I said "we," I was referring to Griz fans as a whole, not just this message board. I agree, a message board shouldn't drive the news. I am sure Colter was hearing the demand to talk about it a lot of places. I didn't see him advertise that he would talk about it anywhere but here, though, so if your 82 year old uncle tuned in for the first time, it was suggested from here.

Colter did address the issue. I was a bit annoyed at a couple of parts, mostly out of defensiveness, but how can anyone call him a "bubcat troll" when he is an actual Griz fan? He doesn't say it on air, but anybody who knows anything about him understands that. He got his start at the school paper. I've heard him more than once address having a very positive history with Hauck.

Dude was wrong about his take and came here and admitted it. So far that is the only journalist who has been ballsy enough to do so. Credit where credit is due.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

I really think everybody was in a low spot when that came out. I didn't hear it the same way so many did. They were right. And they were absolutely right that we were all throwing that stuff at the Cats about the DUI's because we didn't have a lot to come back with.

After this last weekend, will we be throwing the DUI's in their face, or their complete fall apart at Washington Griz? Easy choice. We were overly focused on those charges because the Cats were rolling and we were scared. They weren't wrong, everyone just hated hearing it.

Now I do think it is okay for people to call for ALL media outlets to ask harder questions about the drunk driving issue. But that is not in any way isolated to Colter. He just has the balls to show up here, so it is easier to yell at him for many.

I think Colter had to show up and acknowledge his ignorance or he would have looked like a complete jackass. It's not hard to eat crow on the internet.

Elrod, you're a solid poster with a big heart and alot of good thoughts, although you often encourage the trolls. I do want to nitpick something. I was, and am, very critical of MSU's handling of their DUI arrests even while picking the Griz to play in the NC this year. I just won a substantial chunk of money on the brawl so my confidence in this team hasn't wavered.

To suggest being critical of MSU's leadership because "we" are feeling low is a bit of a stretch imo. Yes there are some egrizers having meltdowns and trolls who relish and stoke any perceived negativity after one loss, but I am just as critical and confused now as ever. Seems they did a masterful job of sweeping everything under the rug, confuscating the whole thing because they felt they were a contender and needed to avoid any lapse.

The fact that cat people are NOW in earnest calling for both coordinators heads because of "on-field results" rather than their lack of upholding job duties and following the law says EVERYTHING. Thus far, the highlight of MSU's season has been to pull the veil over everyone's eyes, and ultimately escape doing the right thing. They got a freeby, swept-under the-rug season, and can now conveniently decide if they want to use the legal results or "onfield results" as justification for "letting go" at the end of the season. Just my thoughts. I think karma is coming for them.

First of all, thank you for the kind words, and I truly have been working on not encouraging the trolls.

Perhaps my take is wrong on that. Maybe I was just young and don't remember as well, but when the Cats were running an actual drug ring and someone was murdered, I don't recall anyone being nearly as constantly vocal about it as people have been now about the DUI's. Criticism is due for their administration, of course, and I have always said I was shocked that Cruzado managed to allow this to continue. But I will be honest, the more I thought about their take, the more it made some sense to me. I think the term "lover's mentality" offended many of us, but I think the overall point that Griz Nation was obsessing about it because our results on the field were looking so far behind MSU was a fair one. To that point, I would note that as our season improved and theirs diminished, we no longer see threads on here focusing on their DUI's.

As for so much of the rest, I agree with you. Karma is coming for them. They did successfully sweep it under the rug, and more journalists should have been talking about it. It is disappointing to me, though, that everyone is attacking Colter so viciously for months now when there has been no other reporter saying anything either. There has been no new news. They haven't even seemed to have an actual court date, because they got continuance till after the season it seems.

We have one journalist and website that comes here and interacts, and makes a strong effort to cover the team we love better than anyone else does. I'd just rather not light up a Colter/Skyline effigy in honor of our fandom. It feels like we are making the good the enemy of the perfect.

As a side note, if anybody wants to set up a fake media company and get me some credentials, I will ask Vigen whatever you want at press conferences.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Two quick notes, Elrod:

1. When the Cats ran the drug ring, I believe all involved were fired when it was discovered; and

2. Skyline claims to cover the BSC with more depth and passion (or whatever terms they use) than any other outlet, so I think that’s why some people expected more.

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

Two quick notes, Elrod:

1. When the Cats ran the drug ring, I believe all involved were fired when it was discovered; and

2. Skyline claims to cover the BSC with more depth and passion (or whatever terms they use) than any other outlet, so I think that’s why some people expected more.

I’m not sure that covering that kind of story is really in colters wheelhouse. He’s a sports journalist, and what you’re demanding from him is investigative work into an ongoing legal matter. I just think colters doing a great job of staying in his lane and covering sports, as he should. Why would he put his nose into something like that? If people want to lash out, take it out on lee enterprises who owns most of the newspapers in the state. Maybe they should be giving that story more attention. I just wish people would quit attacking a guy who is literally providing the best big sky and Griz content there is out there.

 

[garizzalies]

Nope. Not trying to pick on you but you are wrong again. See highlights below.

Your disconnect stems from you conflating two issues. Coulter had two separate hot-takes: one is labeled in this thread titled. The other was the “loser mentality” bull shit. He came on here like hundreds of others to walk back his garbage opinion regarding The Griz and their success on the field. Great. Like all the rest that jumped off the bandwagon, welcome back aboard.

But his other take? The off the field take about the loser mentality? He has not addressed that at all and seems to be doubling down again! Until he does, I won’t let him hide from it.

I am sure Colter was hearing the demand to talk about it a lot of places. By “it” are you talking about the newsworthy dui crap? If so, why did he bait and switch?


I didn't see him advertise that he would talk about it anywhere but here, though, so if your 82 year old uncle tuned in for the first time, it was suggested from here. No, wrong, the internet does not end with egriz, and the dude does advertise elsewhere. Why are you just making stuff up and guessing. You’re a better poster than that. Unc can’t type so he doesn’t do message boards but surprisingly he can hear great and loves pods

Colter did address the issue. No, he didn’t. He’s dodging the main issue. He commented about how wrong he was about The Griz on the field and how there was nothing The Griz could do to beat the good teams. Where did he try to walk back the loser comment?

but how can anyone call him a "bubcat troll" when he is an actual Griz fan? That’s what they all say! :lol: :lol:
A true Griz fan would never say the things he did, let alone publish such crap and not walk it back.

 

[garizzalies]

I’m not sure that covering that kind of story is really in colters wheelhouse. He’s a sports journalist, and what you’re demanding from him is investigative work into an ongoing legal matter. I just think colters doing a great job of staying in his lane and covering sports,

Then he should have never touched that tar baby. He didn’t stay in his lane. He said he was going to cover the news issues and when all these Griz fans tuned in for the first time, he flipped it. Why? That’s what a troll would do.

If it’s not in his wheelhouse, why say he’s going to cover it? Just so he can flip it? Wtf?

I’m trying to be open minded and give the guy a chance. In fact, I’ve given the dude a million chances to address the “loser mentality” comment and he won’t. He is either refusing to do so or doubling down. Both are shit.

The crazy part is, this is not a secret on the inside. The left-handed constipation look is real. BH has nicknames for the reporters he likes. Like “Tabes”. For people or entities he does not like, he has a grimace and won’t say their name (e.g. “our rivals” or “our neighbors to the East”.)

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Nope. Not trying to pick on you but you are wrong again. See highlights below.

Your disconnect stems from you conflating two issues. Coulter had two separate hot-takes: one is labeled in this thread titled. The other was the “loser mentality” bull shit. He came on here like hundreds of others to walk back his garbage opinion regarding The Griz and their success on the field. Great. Like all the rest that jumped off the bandwagon, welcome back aboard.

But his other take? The off the field take about the loser mentality? He has not addressed that at all and seems to be doubling down again! Until he does, I won’t let him hide from it.

I am sure Colter was hearing the demand to talk about it a lot of places. By “it” are you talking about the newsworthy dui crap? If so, why did he bait and switch?


I didn't see him advertise that he would talk about it anywhere but here, though, so if your 82 year old uncle tuned in for the first time, it was suggested from here. No, wrong, the internet does not end with egriz, and the dude does advertise elsewhere. Why are you just making stuff up and guessing. You’re a better poster than that. Unc can’t type so he doesn’t do message boards but surprisingly he can hear great and loves pods

Colter did address the issue. No, he didn’t. He’s dodging the main issue. He commented about how wrong he was about The Griz on the field and how there was nothing The Griz could do to beat the good teams. Where did he try to walk back the loser comment?

but how can anyone call him a "bubcat troll" when he is an actual Griz fan? That’s what they all say! :lol: :lol:
A true Griz fan would never say the things he did, let alone publish such crap and not walk it back.

First off, no problems here and I don't feel picked on. Disagree with me all you want. I'm an adult, and we can go back and forth all day without me getting heated at you, and I know from past experience that you are the same. No problems here, man. We good.

I'm just not as good at formatting as you are, so I'm not even going to try to do the same thing you did or I will spend an hour and make a mess. I'm going to use numerical bullets corresponding to each paragraph you responded with.

1) Fair enough. You have absolutely every right to press whoever you would like on it. I still kind of think he was right about Griz fans focusing so much on the DUI's because we didn't have so much to say about the results on the field during the offseason and in the first four games of the year. I also get why people got some real hackles up at the phrase "loser's mentality." If I had to guess, and I don't think I've ever spoken to Coulter, I'd bet he would probably like to use a different phrase.

2) You're totally right that he advertises elsewhere. I just didn't see him advertise specifically that he would tackle the DUI issue in an upcoming pod anywhere other than here. Maybe I missed it, but I genuinely did not see him do so anywhere else. At the same time, I'm not going to pretend I listen to every bit of content he provides. I can admit that I certainly cannot conclusively and undeniably say that he did not advertise it elsewhere.

3) I think we just missed each other on the point of me saying "he addressed it." I used "it" way too loosely, and left that open for interpretation. I was intending to say that he did address the DUI's on the podcast, and was trying to disagree with anyone who would say it was a "bait and switch." I thought he did address the coverage, why it has been limited, and the fact that nothing has actually happened.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I do get the feeling that if you are not an attorney, you are somewhat educated in that field. I say that because many of your responses have shown that you understand general court processes, continuances, and where many of these items would be found (even if Homey dropped the ball and took your Panda). A lot of people, including sports journalists like Coulter, just aren't that knowledgeable about it. I'd venture to guess he probably feels like he has to wait for an actual ruling to say much of anything. He also alluded on that podcast to not wanting to get sued for saying something happened that had not been proven in court.

I felt like he did address his coverage of the DUI issue in the podcast, though he did end up talking more about people's reaction to it than giving a play by play of what the cases were about. However, he did point out that those articles were already our there and he had said previously what he thought he could.

Lastly, I will say that I think he obviously made a PR mistake by inviting everyone on egriz to listen to a pod, and then said that we all had a loser's mentality. :lol: I'm not trying to say that was a smart thing to do in PR terms. I just still don't necessarily feel like he was entirely off the mark.

We should probably go back to celebrating, now. I doubt I can hang in a debate much longer. I usually just get by on my looks, so this is really taxing on me.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Two quick notes, Elrod:

1. When the Cats ran the drug ring, I believe all involved were fired when it was discovered; and

2. Skyline claims to cover the BSC with more depth and passion (or whatever terms they use) than any other outlet, so I think that’s why some people expected more.

I’m not sure that covering that kind of story is really in colters wheelhouse. He’s a sports journalist, and what you’re demanding from him is investigative work into an ongoing legal matter. I just think colters doing a great job of staying in his lane and covering sports, as he should. Why would he put his nose into something like that. If people want to lash out, take it out on lee enterprises who owns most of the newspapers in the state. Maybe they should be giving that story more attention. I just wish people would quit attacking a guy who is literally providing the best big sky and Griz content there is out there.

I’m not demanding anything. I’ve complimented him and defended him in the past. In this specific instance, I think it was a mistake for him to say he was going to address the arrests of athletic coaches and reaction by the athletic department with a special guest, and then talk about Griz fans having a loser mentality for the majority of it. Thats all.

I think I remember them discussing whether Griz fans would care as much if they were still dominating the Cats. Well, we just absolutely obliterated them and guess what, I care the exact same amount about a department giving coaches raises when they’re out on bail for their third DUI as I did last Friday.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Two quick notes, Elrod:

1. When the Cats ran the drug ring, I believe all involved were fired when it was discovered; and

2. Skyline claims to cover the BSC with more depth and passion (or whatever terms they use) than any other outlet, so I think that’s why some people expected more.

God, when the two funniest people here disagree with me, I clearly need to learn to shut up. One of the best lessons my dad ever taught me is that the best way to win an argument is to get everybody laughing at your opponent. I have a feeling I'm on thin ice here, when it comes to you and Garizzlies.

1) True. That is a fair point. But even after that, I don't remember Griz fans feeling the need to rub Cats noses in it to make a point. We were too busy still saying we were a way better team than them. But, as I emphasized, my memory may just be off. I was young and had been buying too much cocaine from Bobcats players, at the time.

2) I get it. I think you and I just really disagree on whether or not Coulter's defense is acceptable when he says that he analyzes the sports rather than does any investigative reporting. I view Coulter as much more of a Todd Mcshay/Scoop Jackson type of reporter than I look for him to be uncovering investigative stories like a Ronan Farrow or Krakaur (I know, fuck him) who is looking to do investigative journalism. There are not a lot of reporters that do all of the above, and Skyline doesn't employ enough people to truly do both well. They picked their lane, and I guess I'm just less bothered by other people than them sticking to it.

Personally, I am much more offended that the local Montana news stations not covering it OUTSIDE of sports coverage. This really is a story, in my opinion, beyond standard sports reporting.

But, again, I recognize that if you two are just telling me I am wrong, I should probably do some reconsidering. Or maybe I am just kind of a homer because I really, really like having Skyline sports around for what they are. I'm good with their coverage, and maybe I'm just in the minority.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

I’m not sure that covering that kind of story is really in colters wheelhouse. He’s a sports journalist, and what you’re demanding from him is investigative work into an ongoing legal matter. I just think colters doing a great job of staying in his lane and covering sports, as he should. Why would he put his nose into something like that. If people want to lash out, take it out on lee enterprises who owns most of the newspapers in the state. Maybe they should be giving that story more attention. I just wish people would quit attacking a guy who is literally providing the best big sky and Griz content there is out there.

I’m not demanding anything. I’ve complimented him and defended him in the past. In this specific instance, I think it was a mistake for him to say he was going to address the arrests of athletic coaches and reaction by the athletic department with a special guest, and then talk about Griz fans having a loser mentality for the majority of it. Thats all.

I think we can all meet in the middle there. It was obviously not a good PR move to specifically invite Griz fans to listen to the show, and then switch gears and spend so much of it analyzing griz fans' mentality. Cheers on that.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I’m not demanding anything. I’ve complimented him and defended him in the past. In this specific instance, I think it was a mistake for him to say he was going to address the arrests of athletic coaches and reaction by the athletic department with a special guest, and then talk about Griz fans having a loser mentality for the majority of it. Thats all.

I think we can all meet in the middle there. It was obviously not a good PR move to specifically invite Griz fans to listen to the show, and then switch gears and spend so much of it analyzing griz fans' mentality. Cheers on that.

Yep, that’s all I’m saying. I’m not expecting him to do a 60 minutes style piece on it, because that’s not what he is. But, when he did say he was going to dive into it on the next episode, and instead then discussed what he and the guest discussed, I think the fella should expect just a tad bit of criticism.

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

This crap is not with this thread was intended for. Please shut up or take it somewhere else.

 

[griz4life]

I think MSU did an excellent job selling the press on the bobcats chances of not only winning a conference title and the battle of the brawl, but also a national championship.

And not just the Skyline guys. I rolled into Missoula on Friday night just in time to catch Sean Rainey and his broadcast crew pontificating the big game. I'm not going to relitigate the show, but let's just say it would have been easier to pry Patty Hearst from the Symbionese Liberation Army than to get Rainey's Bozeman counterparts to contemplate MSU not being a team of destiny.

Frisco bank robbers to the core.

I understand being skeptical of the Griz. I do. That loss to NAU was the worst showing by a Montana team that I can remember in since the 1980s. It wasn't the score. It was the effort, which was terrible. I thought they were done, too. But you can't look at team heading into the last game of the season with a single loss and wins over highly ranked teams, let alone a team the gave up 31 points in its last five games, and write it off.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

This crap is not with this thread was intended for. Please shut up or take it somewhere else.

Pardon me, Mom, but didn’t the OP deal with sports reporters’ takes that aged like milk? Which reminds me, if you’re planning on going to the store later, can you please get some lunchables and Mountain Dew for me and my buds? We’re gonna try to play a full season of Madden at the sleepover. It’s ok if they stay over, right? Oh, and if you get peanut butter, get smooth.