The Way to Beat NDSU

[krammer]

Their LBs are built for speed, they're smaller and lighter and it looks like they rotate a bit more than we usually see. Gives those backers a good advantage in the passing game.

So are you saying that are as fast or faster than Henderson, Jones, or Jannsen?

lets not forget that ndsu has two three year starters at safety, who can tackle and play the pass.....they will not be fooled....in short, we must play an almost perfect game in order to win....we must be pragmatic with our view of this game... that said, that's why we play the game as they say.....go griz !

 

[Htowngriz]

Screens and slants don't work, our linebackers are too quick. Attack the corners with deep throws and hope your qb has enough time to find the open man.

Sorry to bust your bubble but your LB's are not faster than our WR's. So if you are telling me that your LB's can cover our receivers on the slant, I will take that match up all day long.

Linebackers do a great job covering the middle. Carlton Littlejohn is one of the best in FCS, Beck is in his 4th year and Thornton has come on after switching from QB. Bison do have problems with a QB that has time in the pocket and can run, like what happened in the Iowa St game. The coaches adjusted and shut down the Clones for 34 unanswered points. Johnson is one of those QB's that can beat the Bison with his legs. That's my concern.

I assume Safety Heagle #20, will be spying on Johnson. He had 20 tackles against Georgia Southern in the playoffs three years back, on the same task.

Maybe people do not understand the slant. The point of the route is to throw it to the receiver in the space before he gets to the LB or just behind the LB, hitting the WR in stride. Getting a good gain or leading to a missed tackle for a big gain.

I don't know what the exact answer is for getting a win, but counting on NDSU's defense missing tackles sure as hell ain't it.

 

[BisonMav]

Maybe people do not understand the slant. The point of the route is to throw it to the receiver in the space before he gets to the LB or just behind the LB, hitting the WR in stride. Getting a good gain or leading to a missed tackle for a big gain.

The 3 linebackers are the strength of the defense, 51 tackles, 5 for losses, 3 sacks, 8 pass deflections, 8 pass breakups.

 

[BisonMav]

Keys to the game, Bison perspective:

Link

The cut-and-dried key to the game
Posted on September 17, 2014 by Jeff Kolpack

I’m not going to need the Father of Football to dissect the key to this game: rushing the football. That’s it.

Specifically for NDSU, stopping the Grizzlies’ running game is probably priority A and there’s no need to look further than the Montana stats this season. Wyoming shut the Griz down to just 42 yards rushing forcing quarterback Jordan Johnson to the air. He completed 24 of 45 for 185 yards and the Cowboys took a 17-12 win.

Last week, the Griz ground game got going against South Dakota to the tune of over 200 yards. It meant Johnson only had to attempt 27 passes with 16 completions. Statistically anyway, it’s apparent that Johnson’s comfort zone in the passing department does not match that of Eastern Washington’s Vernon Adams, who would think nothing of putting up 50 attempts per game. Johnson’s game is all about controlling the offense and putting his guys in the right spots. It’s called balance.

If it sounds familiar to NDSU fans, it should. It’s what Brock Jensen did so well, especially his last couple of years. Jensen’s passing stats weren’t eye popping, but the almighty statistic of games won was. So if Johnson needs 25 passing attempts or less, it could be a good day for the Grizzlies. If he’s winging it 40 to 50 times, it could be a good day for the Bison.

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[ranco]

spot on

 

[first11]

...ask the Ducks if they can fill in for us, uni's not as flashy but they will feel right at home with a house full of crappy mustard colored t shirts!

 

[AllWeatherFan]

If NDSU would just do us the favor of turning it over 4-5 times, we'd have a pretty good shot.

Of course, they rarely do that, which is why the score predictions thread looks the way it does.

 

[uofmman1122]

Keys to the game, Bison perspective:

Link

The cut-and-dried key to the game
Posted on September 17, 2014 by Jeff Kolpack

I’m not going to need the Father of Football to dissect the key to this game: rushing the football. That’s it.

Specifically for NDSU, stopping the Grizzlies’ running game is probably priority A and there’s no need to look further than the Montana stats this season. Wyoming shut the Griz down to just 42 yards rushing forcing quarterback Jordan Johnson to the air. He completed 24 of 45 for 185 yards and the Cowboys took a 17-12 win.

Last week, the Griz ground game got going against South Dakota to the tune of over 200 yards. It meant Johnson only had to attempt 27 passes with 16 completions. Statistically anyway, it’s apparent that Johnson’s comfort zone in the passing department does not match that of Eastern Washington’s Vernon Adams, who would think nothing of putting up 50 attempts per game. Johnson’s game is all about controlling the offense and putting his guys in the right spots. It’s called balance.

If it sounds familiar to NDSU fans, it should. It’s what Brock Jensen did so well, especially his last couple of years. Jensen’s passing stats weren’t eye popping, but the almighty statistic of games won was. So if Johnson needs 25 passing attempts or less, it could be a good day for the Grizzlies. If he’s winging it 40 to 50 times, it could be a good day for the Bison.

- See more at: http://bisonmedia.areavoices.com/?p=90874#sthash.xdMTQ5KZ.511ngfKT.dpuf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is excellent analysis.

 

[Griz!ron]

NDSU keeps it simple and allows the players and coaches to make minors adjustments. Thus the emphasis is on execution rather than scheme.

From the sport network today:
"We don't try to reinvent the wheel on defense," Klieman said. "For starters, we don't try to come up with a bunch of different blitz schemes, a bunch of different coverages on a week-to-week basis. We adjust a few things so some of the adjustments we make in-game from a coaches standpoint aren't drastic changes.

"And I guess the other thing is, you just have to credit our players, especially those kids that have played a lot of football games. They just continue to see the stuff whether it's on the film throughout the week (or) what they're seeing from the first quarter through the second quarter and early third quarter, they do a great job of communicating amongst themselves whether it's on the field or on the sideline of what they're seeing. Everybody is trying to get on the same page, and I think that's the whole key to being successful."

That leads me to think that a key to the game, especially during the second half, is to keep the adjustments NDSU is making from being the correct choices. This armchair coach would come in with an entirely different offensive plan for the second half. Maybe start off the half in the hurry up, even if the game is close or we are slightly ahead. And then move to the power game in the fourth quarter.

 

[CAS4127]

Maybe people do not understand the slant. The point of the route is to throw it to the receiver in the space before he gets to the LB or just behind the LB, hitting the WR in stride. Getting a good gain or leading to a missed tackle for a big gain.

Here is my question: Is the slant one of your everyday passes? If not, trouble (as in interceptions) could result if timing (behind WR) or ball location (ove throw) are off at all.

Also, and I say this a a former LB for NDSU, there is not WR or TE that wants to be hit by #20 Heagle in stride/full speed. I know everyone thinks that their Safety is the biggest hitter of all time. Well, I am hear to tell you that Heagle brings a load, and I am sure your WR and TE's are well aware of him.

 

[JayLarson]

The Griz have got to have plays that gain at least 3 yards on every first down play to have a chance, which I believe means lots of short passes on first down. Spread it out and try and make some space for guys to make plays, hopefully the guys can break some tackles, and get our best players the ball, Van, Henderson, Jamal Jones, and hope that Canada can get some solid rushing yards. And stay away from trying trick plays, I am assuming that NDSU is not fooled too often.

 

[zengriz]

...like you beat anyone...
...smackem' in the mouth...
...harder than they smack you...

... ...

 

[jodcon]

We're fucked.

We will have negative rushing yards on the day, all short passes will be picked by lightning fast linebackers, all long passes will be triple covered no matter how many guys are in the pattern.

Our only chance to score is a turnover deep in Bison territory resulting in a short FG try, which we will probably miss.

Probably should just watch the Cat/Eagle game instead.

 

[Umista]

Hell man this is the most "down" thread we have put on the board!

I am looking at the gun closet thinking I should simply shoot myself and be done with it!

No chance? &&&&&&&& No chance?

This is a joke, right??????

 

[Htowngriz]

If NDSU would just do us the favor of turning it over 4-5 times, we'd have a pretty good shot.

Of course, they rarely do that, which is why the score predictions thread looks the way it does.

They have two more turnovers than we do so far, and if we can somehow keep that up, I like our chances.

 

[Grizbeer]

Here is my question: Is the slant one of your everyday passes?

Griz invented the slant pass.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Hell man this is the most "down" thread we have put on the board!

I am looking at the gun closet thinking I should simply shoot myself and be done with it!

No chance? &&&&&&&& No chance?

This is a joke, right??????

No, in a study done over a lot of college games if a team is a 25 point underdog you have a 3.97% chance of winning. The Versus app gives you 4%.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCFB2akLh4s[/youtube]

 

[Htowngriz]

Hell man this is the most "down" thread we have put on the board!

I am looking at the gun closet thinking I should simply shoot myself and be done with it!

No chance? &&&&&&&& No chance?

This is a joke, right??????

No, in a study done over a lot of college games if a team is a 25 point underdog you have a 3.97% chance of winning. The Versus app gives you 4%.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCFB2akLh4s[/youtube]

That's ASSuming a team actually DESERVES to be a 25 point dog.

And the Versus app can S my D.

 

[bisonboone11]

Hell man this is the most "down" thread we have put on the board!

I am looking at the gun closet thinking I should simply shoot myself and be done with it!

No chance? &&&&&&&& No chance?

This is a joke, right??????

No, in a study done over a lot of college games if a team is a 25 point underdog you have a 3.97% chance of winning. The Versus app gives you 4%.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCFB2akLh4s[/youtube]

That's ASSuming a team actually DESERVES to be a 25 point dog.

And the Versus app can S my D.

I don't think the stats that he was looking at were making any assumptions. They were simply looking at the lines out of Vegas. My understanding (based on what I read from his link on AGS) was that Phil Steele compiled all of the lines out of vegas over a 15 year time period and looked at the actual results of the games. Based on those results, teams that were 24.5 to 31 point underdogs won 3.97% of the time. Obviously some of those teams may not have deserved to be 24.5 to 31 point underdogs, like you mentioned, but that didn't seem to be factored in.

Personally, I am very surprised that the lines came out at 25 points to start. I think it will be a lot closer than that.

 

[Umista]

Now I see it. 25 point dogs under. Makes good sense. So if we lose by 17, we actually win won..... wow!
I am staying alive to watch this debacle. Now I REALLY like our chances.

No shootin till da game be over wid!