The Stitt extension question

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by Griz Man » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:42 pm

Facts, just the facts. Fair and balanced.
"Just the facts" would include mentioning that Colorado School of Mines only has majors in engineering and science and is incredibly rigorous even for an engineering college. There is no major that doesn't involve math through differential equations. How do you think that affects your roster when you're playing against other schools where students don't have to take any math?

UHHH........maybe the players you can recruit are smarter than you?????????? And of course that the mastery of differential equations isn't really related to special teams performance.

 

[Maxim]

Let me get this straight...... a Div. II coach with barely over a 0.500 record and repeats that kind of record here is "a major drawing factor"? I assure you that his name is not recognized by any high school kid outside of Montana. We ain't talkin' Urban Meyer here. May be the funniest post I have read lately.

Stitt was 108-62 (64 percent) at mines
Don Reed career 154-127 (54 percent)
Bobby Hauck career 95-67 (58 percent)
Joe Glenn career 200-134 (59 percent)
Mick Delaney 29-25 career
Mick Dennehy 68-62 career

So you think it is meaningful to compare Stitt records vs. DII competition vs. Read, Hauck, Glenn, Dennehy records vs. FBS competition. Lame, to help your narrative. Let's compare apples to apples and compare FCS records, which is the level at which we play. And we will spell Don Read's name correctly....

Stitt 19-13 (0.594) 1-1 vs. MSU
Read 85-36 (0.702) 10-0 vs. MSU
Hauck 80-17 (0.825) 5-2 vs. MSU
Glenn 51-40 (0.560) 2-1 vs. MSU
Delaney 24-14 (0.632) 2-1 vs. MSU
Dennehy 39-12 (0.765) 4-0 vs. MSU

Facts, just the facts. Fair and balanced.

"Just the facts" would include mentioning that Colorado School of Mines only has majors in engineering and science and is incredibly rigorous even for an engineering college. There is no major that doesn't involve math through differential equations. How do you think that affects your roster when you're playing against other schools where students don't have to take any math?

Doesn't seem to be hurting Notre Dame this year or Stanford the last few years.

 

[indian-outlaw]

Let me get this straight...... a Div. II coach with barely over a 0.500 record and repeats that kind of record here is "a major drawing factor"? I assure you that his name is not recognized by any high school kid outside of Montana. We ain't talkin' Urban Meyer here. May be the funniest post I have read lately.

Stitt was 108-62 (64 percent) at mines
Don Reed career 154-127 (54 percent)
Bobby Hauck career 95-67 (58 percent)
Joe Glenn career 200-134 (59 percent)
Mick Delaney 29-25 career
Mick Dennehy 68-62 career

So you think it is meaningful to compare Stitt records vs. DII competition vs. Read, Hauck, Glenn, Dennehy records vs. FBS competition. Lame, to help your narrative. Let's compare apples to apples and compare FCS records, which is the level at which we play. And we will spell Don Read's name correctly....

Stitt 19-13 (0.594) 1-1 vs. MSU
Read 85-36 (0.702) 10-0 vs. MSU
Hauck 80-17 (0.825) 5-2 vs. MSU
Glenn 51-40 (0.560) 2-1 vs. MSU
Delaney 24-14 (0.632) 2-1 vs. MSU
Dennehy 39-12 (0.765) 4-0 vs. MSU

Facts, just the facts. Fair and balanced.

"Just the facts" would include mentioning that Colorado School of Mines only has majors in engineering and science and is incredibly rigorous even for an engineering college. There is no major that doesn't involve math through differential equations. How do you think that affects your roster when you're playing against other schools where students don't have to take any math?

That is a double edge sword and not always a bad thing. You forget to mention that it is a recruiting advantage in some cases, plus the players can understand complex offenses and schemes in a hurry. Tyrone Willingham had tremendous success at Stanford but tanked at Washington as a case in point. Recruiting football players to a school that has rigorous academic standards can be a plus. Take a look at UC Davis vs Sac State. UCD has owned them over the years and they have a way harder road academically. I for one do not buy the fact that Stitt was at a disadvantage at mines. He was a bad hire for the UM unless your satisfied with a career .55 career winning percentage.

 

[indian-outlaw]

Stitt was 108-62 (64 percent) at mines
Don Reed career 154-127 (54 percent)
Bobby Hauck career 95-67 (58 percent)
Joe Glenn career 200-134 (59 percent)
Mick Delaney 29-25 career
Mick Dennehy 68-62 career

So you think it is meaningful to compare Stitt records vs. DII competition vs. Read, Hauck, Glenn, Dennehy records vs. FBS competition. Lame, to help your narrative. Let's compare apples to apples and compare FCS records, which is the level at which we play. And we will spell Don Read's name correctly....

Stitt 19-13 (0.594) 1-1 vs. MSU
Read 85-36 (0.702) 10-0 vs. MSU
Hauck 80-17 (0.825) 5-2 vs. MSU
Glenn 51-40 (0.560) 2-1 vs. MSU
Delaney 24-14 (0.632) 2-1 vs. MSU
Dennehy 39-12 (0.765) 4-0 vs. MSU

Facts, just the facts. Fair and balanced.

"Just the facts" would include mentioning that Colorado School of Mines only has majors in engineering and science and is incredibly rigorous even for an engineering college. There is no major that doesn't involve math through differential equations. How do you think that affects your roster when you're playing against other schools where students don't have to take any math?

Doesn't seem to be hurting Notre Dame this year or Stanford the last few years.

Notre dame is not on par with Stanford as far as academic credentials... Not even close.

 

[Maxim]

So you think it is meaningful to compare Stitt records vs. DII competition vs. Read, Hauck, Glenn, Dennehy records vs. FBS competition. Lame, to help your narrative. Let's compare apples to apples and compare FCS records, which is the level at which we play. And we will spell Don Read's name correctly....

Stitt 19-13 (0.594) 1-1 vs. MSU
Read 85-36 (0.702) 10-0 vs. MSU
Hauck 80-17 (0.825) 5-2 vs. MSU
Glenn 51-40 (0.560) 2-1 vs. MSU
Delaney 24-14 (0.632) 2-1 vs. MSU
Dennehy 39-12 (0.765) 4-0 vs. MSU

Facts, just the facts. Fair and balanced.

"Just the facts" would include mentioning that Colorado School of Mines only has majors in engineering and science and is incredibly rigorous even for an engineering college. There is no major that doesn't involve math through differential equations. How do you think that affects your roster when you're playing against other schools where students don't have to take any math?

Doesn't seem to be hurting Notre Dame this year or Stanford the last few years.

Notre dame is not on par with Stanford as far as academic credentials... Not even close.

Actual it is closer than you think. While Standford only has a 5% acceptance rate, Notre Dame is 19%, the average is 76%. However students on average had pretty much the same ACT and SAT score for those two Universities and Notre Dame undergrad is around 4000 students.

 

[spsyk]

Let me get this straight...... a Div. II coach with barely over a 0.500 record and repeats that kind of record here is "a major drawing factor"? I assure you that his name is not recognized by any high school kid outside of Montana. We ain't talkin' Urban Meyer here. May be the funniest post I have read lately.

Stitt was 108-62 (64 percent) at mines
Don Reed career 154-127 (54 percent)
Bobby Hauck career 95-67 (58 percent)
Joe Glenn career 200-134 (59 percent)
Mick Delaney 29-25 career
Mick Dennehy 68-62 career

So you think it is meaningful to compare Stitt records vs. DII competition vs. Read, Hauck, Glenn, Dennehy records vs. FBS competition. Lame, to help your narrative. Let's compare apples to apples and compare FCS records, which is the level at which we play. And we will spell Don Read's name correctly....

Stitt 19-13 (0.594) 1-1 vs. MSU
Read 85-36 (0.702) 10-0 vs. MSU
Hauck 80-17 (0.825) 5-2 vs. MSU
Glenn 51-40 (0.560) 2-1 vs. MSU
Delaney 24-14 (0.632) 2-1 vs. MSU
Dennehy 39-12 (0.765) 4-0 vs. MSU

Facts, just the facts. Fair and balanced.

"Just the facts" would include mentioning that Colorado School of Mines only has majors in engineering and science and is incredibly rigorous even for an engineering college. There is no major that doesn't involve math through differential equations. How do you think that affects your roster when you're playing against other schools where students don't have to take any math?

Is this the fact that for fifteen years coach Stitt, could only produce a mediocre football program, because the only athletes he could recruit were Brainiacs that couldn’t play football.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Stitt was 108-62 (64 percent) at mines
Don Reed career 154-127 (54 percent)
Bobby Hauck career 95-67 (58 percent)
Joe Glenn career 200-134 (59 percent)
Mick Delaney 29-25 career
Mick Dennehy 68-62 career

So you think it is meaningful to compare Stitt records vs. DII competition vs. Read, Hauck, Glenn, Dennehy records vs. FBS competition. Lame, to help your narrative. Let's compare apples to apples and compare FCS records, which is the level at which we play. And we will spell Don Read's name correctly....

Stitt 19-13 (0.594) 1-1 vs. MSU
Read 85-36 (0.702) 10-0 vs. MSU
Hauck 80-17 (0.825) 5-2 vs. MSU
Glenn 51-40 (0.560) 2-1 vs. MSU
Delaney 24-14 (0.632) 2-1 vs. MSU
Dennehy 39-12 (0.765) 4-0 vs. MSU

Facts, just the facts. Fair and balanced.

"Just the facts" would include mentioning that Colorado School of Mines only has majors in engineering and science and is incredibly rigorous even for an engineering college. There is no major that doesn't involve math through differential equations. How do you think that affects your roster when you're playing against other schools where students don't have to take any math?

Is this the fact that for fifteen years coach Stitt, could only produce a mediocre football program, because the only athletes he could recruit were Brainiacs that couldn’t play football.

So you only lacked the brainiac part of the equation? I kid, I kid.

 

[whitefishbear]

I think the AD should either be all-out or all-in on extending Coach Stitt's contract. All-out, his contract is not renewed and a new head coach is hired. All-in, his contract is extended for the maximum allowed, 3 years. Extending for just one year just kicks the can down the road, and signals to the coach, his staff, and recruits that there is little confidence in the coach having future success. How many recruits will reconsider their commitments? For those saying 'extend for 1 year with the agreement that he bring in a new D-Coordinator', what coach with other options will agree to come aboard knowing that he will possibly be at UM just 1 year?

You make a good point. So I have to vote for the former.

Agreed. Lame duck coaches with a one-year contract extension will not expend the energy to recruit, nor will recruits want to sign not knowing who the new coach will be. Engstrom and Haslam blew it when Delaney was asked to come off the golf course and be the interim coach for one year. That we the perfect opportunity to announce a new head coach before that season was over, and recruits would know in advance of signing who they would be playing for. Instead, the dumb-asses gave Mick two more years to help put the nails in the coffin for what we have today.

 

[whitefishbear]

So you think it is meaningful to compare Stitt records vs. DII competition vs. Read, Hauck, Glenn, Dennehy records vs. FBS competition. Lame, to help your narrative. Let's compare apples to apples and compare FCS records, which is the level at which we play. And we will spell Don Read's name correctly....

Stitt 19-13 (0.594) 1-1 vs. MSU
Read 85-36 (0.702) 10-0 vs. MSU
Hauck 80-17 (0.825) 5-2 vs. MSU
Glenn 51-40 (0.560) 2-1 vs. MSU
Delaney 24-14 (0.632) 2-1 vs. MSU
Dennehy 39-12 (0.765) 4-0 vs. MSU

Facts, just the facts. Fair and balanced.

Wow, that is interesting stuff. Every single coach on that list is better than the griz overall .54 winning percentage that the griz have overall. We have had a lot of good coaches in the last 30 years.

The Glenn record is spoiled by his four years at USD. At Montana he was 39-6 in his three years. He lost his first game and three of his last four. In between he went 38-2; the two losses were to FBS Hawaii and NC GA Southern. That is consistency.

How did Glenn not do well at UW or USD? He was awesome at UM and UNC.

You might want to check out the FCS national rankings. South Dakota is ranked #7 in the nation, with Glenn's recruits filling the starting roster.

 

[kemajic]

I think the AD should either be all-out or all-in on extending Coach Stitt's contract. All-out, his contract is not renewed and a new head coach is hired. All-in, his contract is extended for the maximum allowed, 3 years. Extending for just one year just kicks the can down the road, and signals to the coach, his staff, and recruits that there is little confidence in the coach having future success. How many recruits will reconsider their commitments? For those saying 'extend for 1 year with the agreement that he bring in a new D-Coordinator', what coach with other options will agree to come aboard knowing that he will possibly be at UM just 1 year?

You make a good point. So I have to vote for the former.

Agreed. Lame duck coaches with a one-year contract extension will not expend the energy to recruit, nor will recruits want to sign not knowing who the new coach will be. Engstrom and Haslam blew it when Delaney was asked to come off the golf course and be the interim coach for one year. That we the perfect opportunity to announce a new head coach before that season was over, and recruits would know in advance of signing who they would be playing for. Instead, the dumb-asses gave Mick two more years to help put the nails in the coffin for what we have today.

Recall that Hauck had 7 one-year contracts; it didn't seem to hurt his recruiting.

 

[krammer]

the answer to the threads question is simple to me....make play offs, contract extended, no playoffs, no extension.......whether it is 7-4 or 8-3.....i believe that is the high water mark that our a.d. has made clear to stitt sometime ago, because that is what the job requires at montana...be it is right or wrong.

 

[whitefishbear]

I think the AD should either be all-out or all-in on extending Coach Stitt's contract. All-out, his contract is not renewed and a new head coach is hired. All-in, his contract is extended for the maximum allowed, 3 years. Extending for just one year just kicks the can down the road, and signals to the coach, his staff, and recruits that there is little confidence in the coach having future success. How many recruits will reconsider their commitments? For those saying 'extend for 1 year with the agreement that he bring in a new D-Coordinator', what coach with other options will agree to come aboard knowing that he will possibly be at UM just 1 year?

You make a good point. So I have to vote for the former.

Agreed. Lame duck coaches with a one-year contract extension will not expend the energy to recruit, nor will recruits want to sign not knowing who the new coach will be. Engstrom and Haslam blew it when Delaney was asked to come off the golf course and be the interim coach for one year. That we the perfect opportunity to announce a new head coach before that season was over, and recruits would know in advance of signing who they would be playing for. Instead, the dumb-asses gave Mick two more years to help put the nails in the coffin for what we have today.

Recall that Hauck had 7 one-year contracts; it didn't seem to hurt his recruiting.

Ahhh, but that is because we only gave one-year contracts then, so that fact was known by the recruits and their families. Now we give 3-year contracts, so a current head guy getting only a one-year extension sticks out like Gloria Steinem at a Donald Trump rally.

 

[krammer]

You make a good point. So I have to vote for the former.

Agreed. Lame duck coaches with a one-year contract extension will not expend the energy to recruit, nor will recruits want to sign not knowing who the new coach will be. Engstrom and Haslam blew it when Delaney was asked to come off the golf course and be the interim coach for one year. That we the perfect opportunity to announce a new head coach before that season was over, and recruits would know in advance of signing who they would be playing for. Instead, the dumb-asses gave Mick two more years to help put the nails in the coffin for what we have today.

Recall that Hauck had 7 one-year contracts; it didn't seem to hurt his recruiting.

Ahhh, but that is because we only gave one-year contracts then, so that fact was known by the recruits and their families. Now we give 3-year contracts, so a current head guy getting only a one-year extension sticks out like Gloria Steinem at a Donald Trump rally.

thats funny right there.... :thumb:

 

[Griz Man]

Stitt was 108-62 (64 percent) at mines
Don Reed career 154-127 (54 percent)
Bobby Hauck career 95-67 (58 percent)
Joe Glenn career 200-134 (59 percent)
Mick Delaney 29-25 career
Mick Dennehy 68-62 career

So you think it is meaningful to compare Stitt records vs. DII competition vs. Read, Hauck, Glenn, Dennehy records vs. FBS competition. Lame, to help your narrative. Let's compare apples to apples and compare FCS records, which is the level at which we play. And we will spell Don Read's name correctly....

Stitt 19-13 (0.594) 1-1 vs. MSU
Read 85-36 (0.702) 10-0 vs. MSU
Hauck 80-17 (0.825) 5-2 vs. MSU
Glenn 51-40 (0.560) 2-1 vs. MSU
Delaney 24-14 (0.632) 2-1 vs. MSU
Dennehy 39-12 (0.765) 4-0 vs. MSU

Facts, just the facts. Fair and balanced.

"Just the facts" would include mentioning that Colorado School of Mines only has majors in engineering and science and is incredibly rigorous even for an engineering college. There is no major that doesn't involve math through differential equations. How do you think that affects your roster when you're playing against other schools where students don't have to take any math?

Doesn't seem to be hurting Notre Dame this year or Stanford the last few years.

Notre Dame and Stanford have majors such as sociology and arts that don't require math. A lot of athletes cannot do calculus, much less differential equations. I'm sure they were heady players, but I'd have to assume that Stitt had inferior athletes in a lot of those RMAC games.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Been gone for a few days. Thought this was going to be a dick measuring thread?

 

[GoldenEagle]

This UM alumnus and EAGS fan will be pleased when Stitt gets his contract extended. I hope he coaches at UM until he retires.

 

[kemajic]

This UM alumnus and EAGS fan will be pleased when Stitt gets his contract extended. I hope he coaches at UM until he retires.

Bobcat Nation is on the same chord.

 

[argh!]

Stitt was 108-62 (64 percent) at mines
Don Reed career 154-127 (54 percent)
Bobby Hauck career 95-67 (58 percent)
Joe Glenn career 200-134 (59 percent)
Mick Delaney 29-25 career
Mick Dennehy 68-62 career

So you think it is meaningful to compare Stitt records vs. DII competition vs. Read, Hauck, Glenn, Dennehy records vs. FBS competition. Lame, to help your narrative. Let's compare apples to apples and compare FCS records, which is the level at which we play. And we will spell Don Read's name correctly....

Stitt 19-13 (0.594) 1-1 vs. MSU
Read 85-36 (0.702) 10-0 vs. MSU
Hauck 80-17 (0.825) 5-2 vs. MSU
Glenn 51-40 (0.560) 2-1 vs. MSU
Delaney 24-14 (0.632) 2-1 vs. MSU
Dennehy 39-12 (0.765) 4-0 vs. MSU

Facts, just the facts. Fair and balanced.

"Just the facts" would include mentioning that Colorado School of Mines only has majors in engineering and science and is incredibly rigorous even for an engineering college. There is no major that doesn't involve math through differential equations. How do you think that affects your roster when you're playing against other schools where students don't have to take any math?

Doesn't seem to be hurting Notre Dame this year or Stanford the last few years.

notre dame's standards aren't particularly high, anyway (for a rich private school). plus, i'm pretty sure both are more flexible about admissions with athletes. you don't have to get accepted first, then get a scholarship offer. it goes the other way around, and some (not all) of the athletes on scholarship at stanford probably wouldn't have been accepted otherwise. i don't think it works that way at mines.

 

[Spanky]

A member of my family was recruited by Notre Dame. Standards were high as I recall.

 

[whitefishbear]

This UM alumnus and EAGS fan will be pleased when Stitt gets his contract extended. I hope he coaches at UM until he retires.

Let me get this straight.... you are a UM graduate, but are a fan of EWU, and not Montana. May I ask you why?