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the season's disappointments

citygriz

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mcgillis: as measured against our expectations? definitely. i think some of us thought we were getting a star drop-down from a major conference, but in fact, mcgillis was a sixth-man on one of the worst teams in the history of the pac-10. for us he averaged about eight points a game, shot 38% from the field and never did have the sort of breakout game he had at cal when he played for oregon state. sure, he hustled, but he also committed some dumb fouls you wouldn't expect from a veteran player. i think next year his best role might be to go back to sixth man, a spark off the bench.

staudacher: the vaunted three point shooter hit 45% of his treys non-con, but only 37% in conference. his scoring average of almost eight points a game non-conference dropped to about six in conference. in the pre-season guide, tinkle said of staudacher: "i think ryan is ready for a break-out year." didn't happen. i think next year, johnson moves to two, cherry takes over the point, and staudacher becomes a role player.

qvale: again, tinkle on qvale pre-season: ""we are very excited to have brian in our program. he has a big upside and can really have a big hand in leading our program in the right direction. the center spot will be a real plus for us." result? qvale averaged 18 minutes a game, less than half, and averged about five and a half points. i continue to be impressed with qvale's potential, but so far that's about what it remains--potential.

elgin-taylor: not what you want from your starting point guard, to miss a good chunk of the season for disciplinary reasons (of whatever kind.)

hasquet: averaged dropped from about 13 points a game last year to 11 non-conference, 10.1 conference, this year. is there anybody who thinks his senior year fulfilled the potential he showed as a freshman?

banny: a non-contributor. said in the media guide he wants to play professional basketball. needs to master amateur basketball first.

of these players, i see only qvale as a potential starter next year. qvale has upside, but i think both mcgillis and stauds have proven they simply aren't going to take us very far, even at their best, and need to make their contributions from the bench.
 
hasquet: averaged dropped from about 13 points a game last year to 11 non-conference, 10.1 conference, this year. is there anybody who thinks his senior year fulfilled the potential he showed as a freshman?

City....trust me on this one.... Tinkle phased out Jordan's offensive production by never running one play for him all season and continually telling him to be patient and the offense will come to him.... Tink's promised AJ an unlimited green light to jack up shots to help get him here..... Jordan did a great job of rollin with it rather than fighting the coach and upsetting whatever team chemistry that we had...... so don't put it all on Jordan for not fulfilling his potential..... he flirted with a couple triple doubles this year... played hard on D and was the ONLY guy on our team who rebounded with consistency......IMO Jordan was just as valuable to this team as AJ was..... both had great seasons..... Jordan is going down as a top 10 player in UM history... his number justify that... but yes your right by saying more was expected of Jordan.... but don't put it all on him.... Tink's had a lot to do with Jordan's lack of offensive production....

As for the rest of your assessments I believe they are accurate.... I still have a lot of faith in Jack being the player we all think he can be.... he had a solid year... I think he put a lot of pressure on himself and was pressing.... I look forward to a more relaxed and far more productive Senior year for Jack.....

Qvale.... I think next year is going to be HUGE for him... if he doesn't show up in 09' - 10' he will be flirting with be labeled as one of the biggest busts the griz have ever had.....

Selvig has some huge shoes to fill... he will be inheriting Jordan's roll.... but I believe he can do it....

Again I can't stress enough that Tinkle figures out how to use the great talent he has assembled.... I hope that we can at least run one play next season... that isn't to much to ask.... and again I will say that I am extremely excited to watch our talented freshman play.... we will be a very very young but very very talented team..... that being said... youth needs great coaching...... should be a interesting year next year
 
I was generally disappointed with the contribution (but not the effort) from our bigs. When it came to points in the paint , rebounding, and second chance points our bigs were inconsistant. This current system doesn't seem to utilize our bigs very well. Under LK Straight was incredible, but really faded under Tinks.
 
I think Sharp exceeded my expectations. Often over matched Kyle never gave up. Thank you Kyle for 4 solid years and your outstanding attitude.
 
Evizzerate said:
I think Sharp exceeded my expectations. Often over matched Kyle never gave up. Thank you Kyle for 4 solid years and your outstanding attitude.

AJ and Kyle Sharp, plus the defense were this years positives. Everyone else pretty much dissappointed me.
 
Baller1 said:
hasquet: averaged dropped from about 13 points a game last year to 11 non-conference, 10.1 conference, this year. is there anybody who thinks his senior year fulfilled the potential he showed as a freshman?

City....trust me on this one.... Tinkle phased out Jordan's offensive production by never running one play for him all season and continually telling him to be patient and the offense will come to him.... Tink's promised AJ an unlimited green light to jack up shots to help get him here..... Jordan did a great job of rollin with it rather than fighting the coach and upsetting whatever team chemistry that we had...... so don't put it all on Jordan for not fulfilling his potential..... he flirted with a couple triple doubles this year... played hard on D and was the ONLY guy on our team who rebounded with consistency......IMO Jordan was just as valuable to this team as AJ was..... both had great seasons..... Jordan is going down as a top 10 player in UM history... his number justify that... but yes your right by saying more was expected of Jordan.... but don't put it all on him.... Tink's had a lot to do with Jordan's lack of offensive production....

As for the rest of your assessments I believe they are accurate.... I still have a lot of faith in Jack being the player we all think he can be.... he had a solid year... I think he put a lot of pressure on himself and was pressing.... I look forward to a more relaxed and far more productive Senior year for Jack.....

Qvale.... I think next year is going to be HUGE for him... if he doesn't show up in 09' - 10' he will be flirting with be labeled as one of the biggest busts the griz have ever had.....

Selvig has some huge shoes to fill... he will be inheriting Jordan's roll.... but I believe he can do it....

Again I can't stress enough that Tinkle figures out how to use the great talent he has assembled.... I hope that we can at least run one play next season... that isn't to much to ask.... and again I will say that I am extremely excited to watch our talented freshman play.... we will be a very very young but very very talented team..... that being said... youth needs great coaching...... should be a interesting year next year

Hasquet is not a top 10 player in Griz history, maybe top 50, but definitely not top 10. I was most dissapointed with the overall toughness of the team....they got manhandled by MSU.
 
I agree with most of your observations, city.

The one things I'm not sure I agree with you about is Qvale. I love the kid, but I'm not sure he's the answer in the paint. I'd rather have quickness than size.

I agree that Jack might be more effective off the bench. He didn't show what I know he's capable of. Hopefully he'll put it together next season.

Hasquet could have been a Grizzly legend. Unlike other commentators in this thread, I think Hasquet's biggest problem was Hasquet. I just don't think he gave 100%. Again, he was a fine player, and I was happy to see him in maroon and silver, but I wanted to see him get fifteen boards per game, rather than wander the perimeter. And you can partially blame Tinkle for that, but there were some games where I watched Hasquet very closely, and guys went right around him for rebounds because they wanted it more. I want guys on the floor next season who want it more.

I saw good things out of Selvig this season. I think if gets a little stronger in the off-season, he'll be a force.

But I think we'll need contributions from both true freshmen and redshirt freshmen next year to take this team to a higher level. Bring 'em on.
 
I need to also give some props to Kyle Sharp. There was a kid who battled hard every minute. I'd take a Kyle Sharp on my team any day of the week.
 
I also need to give props to Kyle Sharp. Many players would have quit if they received as few minutes as he did over the years. Him and Guardipee remind me a lot of each other for how they could fill an entire stat line in three minutes.
 
Evizzerate said:
I think Sharp exceeded my expectations. Often over matched Kyle never gave up. Thank you Kyle for 4 solid years and your outstanding attitude.
All the bigs gave their all. Kyle in particular. However just like Straight before him Kyle would have been much more impressive under LK. Our bigs are not utilized well in this system. Jordo as well as Kyle (who's potential we just had a glimpse of) would have had much better numbers on any other team in the BSC.
 
ci-tay's lack of his previously prodigious output of fictional but highly entertaining rants and raves about various issues surrounding griz athletics.

argh!'s lack of just about everything.

greedie's idiocies didn't disappoint, however. they were there time after time after time, no matter what the circumstance. thank you, greedie.
 
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