The reason Bobby wants out

[FCS Go!]

So what kind of connections/network does VD have? Hauck came in with a pile of connections that he has continued to build on to attract recruits and asst. coaches. What current NFL/FBS/AQ-BCS coaches has VD worked with? Where do Carrol's recruits come from? Do they have a decent footprint in CA, OR & WA?

 

[grizindabox]

If BH moves on, I do not like MVD or any current assistant for the gig.

 

[kemajic]

Van Dienst is the perfect choice for the small thinkers on here who consider NAIA games to be "big games." For the rest of us, Pflugrad is a far better choice.

Actually, small thinkers are those who don't know how to spell Van Diest. :lol: :lol:

I guess under your rules, Brian Kelly would still be at Grand Valley State coaching DII "big games" instead of Notre Dame. Winning coaches can coach at any level. Van Diest took a damaged football program where only 22 players showed up for his first spring practice and turned Carroll into an immediate national powerhouse at the NAIA level. He was also an assistant at the FBS level prior to Carroll.

The guy can coach! He knows how to engage in the chess match with the opposing coaches during a game.

I've watched a couple of those chess matches the last two years. Hardly Division I stuff. Comparing a 30 year old Brian Kelly at a DII power house to a 60 year old Van Diest at an NAIA is like comparing an iPod to a turntable. The younger Van Diest was on the Larry Donavan staff at UM; how good was that?

 

[lotsa]

This forum has debated the Van Diest issue each year. The differences of opinion from those who are actually familiar with the guy, his capabilities and results and those who arent is pivotal. He has been an assistant at Wyoming (twice), Northwestern, U. Mass. and Montana before taking a dead program and winning 5 national championships in seven years (losing twice in very close semi final games.) He has been the coach of the year national on a number of occsions and his coaching contacts and loyalties are deep and national. He has been a winner at Wyoming, U Mass. and even at Northwesern. He is also the defensive coordinator at Carroll for a team that has unbelievable stats. On top of it all he is a special guy who works his teams and they still love him, has recruited the northwest succesfully since the seventies and the parents and fans have total respect for him. He could be a lot of places and could have had a lot of jobs (including at least two in the Big Sky) but has chosen to stay at Carroll for other important reasons that speak volumes about him. Lets quit dissing the guy without any basis and support whoever based on legitimate reasons. There is no question he would win big and end his stay here respected with the best we have ever had. The question is if he would come and if we are smart enough to try and get him.

 

[GrizLA]

Right guys, let's find a coach with no ambition who is totally satisfied with where he is. That will surely keep the Griz at the top of FCS. :roll:

We seem to have that in the women's basketball team...steady, predictable, solid.....boring.

 

[LakGriz]

If you're looking for a successful young coach, the guy, DeBoer, at U of Sioux Falls (which has beaten Carroll for the NAIA) is 67-3 over about 5 years.

Kelly? He played with UM about the head job while still at Grand Valley State, to get more money out of them, before moving on to Central Michigan, which was like home turf at that time. Geez, he might have come to Montana (not really -- we were out of his home turf).

 

[TheBud]

Winning coaches can coach at any level.

Sorry. It doesn't work that way. The last 2 "winning coaches" that Notre Dame got didn't do too well.

How have the last 2 done since they left the Griz HC position?

 

[TheBud]

First, you have to discount some of that purported UNLV salary for a higher cost of living in Vegas.

David2,

You are far off again, on another subject. Stick with what you know. This ain't one of them.

Clue: The cost of living is lower in Vegas than Missoula.

 

[argh!]

The fact Portland State didn't give him a serious look ought to tell YOU something "the rest of us" already know.

that portland state doesn't do a good job in selecting head coaches?

 

[justanotherfan]

This forum has debated the Van Diest issue each year. The differences of opinion from those who are actually familiar with the guy, his capabilities and results and those who arent is pivotal. He has been an assistant at Wyoming (twice), Northwestern, U. Mass. and Montana before taking a dead program and winning 5 national championships in seven years (losing twice in very close semi final games.) He has been the coach of the year national on a number of occsions and his coaching contacts and loyalties are deep and national. He has been a winner at Wyoming, U Mass. and even at Northwesern. He is also the defensive coordinator at Carroll for a team that has unbelievable stats. On top of it all he is a special guy who works his teams and they still love him, has recruited the northwest succesfully since the seventies and the parents and fans have total respect for him. He could be a lot of places and could have had a lot of jobs (including at least two in the Big Sky) but has chosen to stay at Carroll for other important reasons that speak volumes about him. Lets quit dissing the guy without any basis and support whoever based on legitimate reasons. There is no question he would win big and end his stay here respected with the best we have ever had. The question is if he would come and if we are smart enough to try and get him.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

For the record, MVD is 57 years old and Brian Kelly is 48...someone posting on this post must have taken his math class at MSU.

 

[batrack]

Nova's coach has been there for over 25 years. Penn State's coach has been there for over 30 years. What is wrong with settling into a profession that pays more than the governor earns...or more than most pysicians earn while living in one of the better communities west of the Mississippi?

I have nothing against ambition but let's win a string of NC's before we jump ship. Bobby's winner but just can't grasp the big one and until that happens I'm not certain he can crown himself "best of show" in the coaching arena. Hope he stays.

Hauck had a better year than the Govenor.

 

[batrack]

This forum has debated the Van Diest issue each year. The differences of opinion from those who are actually familiar with the guy, his capabilities and results and those who arent is pivotal. He has been an assistant at Wyoming (twice), Northwestern, U. Mass. and Montana before taking a dead program and winning 5 national championships in seven years (losing twice in very close semi final games.) He has been the coach of the year national on a number of occsions and his coaching contacts and loyalties are deep and national. He has been a winner at Wyoming, U Mass. and even at Northwesern. He is also the defensive coordinator at Carroll for a team that has unbelievable stats. On top of it all he is a special guy who works his teams and they still love him, has recruited the northwest succesfully since the seventies and the parents and fans have total respect for him. He could be a lot of places and could have had a lot of jobs (including at least two in the Big Sky) but has chosen to stay at Carroll for other important reasons that speak volumes about him. Lets quit dissing the guy without any basis and support whoever based on legitimate reasons. There is no question he would win big and end his stay here respected with the best we have ever had. The question is if he would come and if we are smart enough to try and get him.

Let me get this straight, Hauck gets chewed up for for not coming up with any 2nd half adjustments to Nova running it donw out throats (not his fault, defense played like girls). The same thing happened to Carrol in there semifinal game, the difference was it passing instead of run. He must not know how to make adjustments at halftime. So crap we dont need him.

 

[Downwiththefoe]

The fact is that a taxpayer-supported institution in a conservative state like Montana is never going to be able to pay its football coach a salary that is comparable to some of the Division One (FBS) programs.

Our program should be attractive to a younger coach who wants to prove himself and eventually move on. What's wrong with that??

If Bobby Hauck makes a decision for himself and his family to move on, I have nothing but respect for his decision and appreciation for what he has given to the Grizzly program. What's his record 80-17??

The state budget in Helena is cratering ---with each report worse than the last. Come on over here and try to explain to the social liberals and, for that matter , the conservatives, that we need to pay 2 million or so to keep a football coach in Missoula. They will hoot you out of the room.

So why doesn't Griz Nation and the GSA just get 20K member *(Season Ticket Holders)s to pony up an extra $50 per year per seat...and there is a Cool 1 Million dollars to pay for any coach and staff at our level of football, there would not be a close second - I mean any coach we want or realistically desire?

We could match UNLV pay - just come up with the difference over and above the State limits.!!!! - I offered the idea and $1000 a year to that fund...I think a lot of people would if approached.


Just sayin'


If Griz Nation wants it...then let's do it!!

lots of options and ways...do I need to take this over or what??

:lol:

I gotta job, but I will pony up one way or the otehr one amount or another.

I think a $50 per ticket surcharge is a no brainer.

There is a simple easy way to

 

[maroon]

This forum has debated the Van Diest issue each year. The differences of opinion from those who are actually familiar with the guy, his capabilities and results and those who arent is pivotal. He has been an assistant at Wyoming (twice), Northwestern, U. Mass. and Montana before taking a dead program and winning 5 national championships in seven years (losing twice in very close semi final games.) He has been the coach of the year national on a number of occsions and his coaching contacts and loyalties are deep and national. He has been a winner at Wyoming, U Mass. and even at Northwesern. He is also the defensive coordinator at Carroll for a team that has unbelievable stats. On top of it all he is a special guy who works his teams and they still love him, has recruited the northwest succesfully since the seventies and the parents and fans have total respect for him. He could be a lot of places and could have had a lot of jobs (including at least two in the Big Sky) but has chosen to stay at Carroll for other important reasons that speak volumes about him. Lets quit dissing the guy without any basis and support whoever based on legitimate reasons. There is no question he would win big and end his stay here respected with the best we have ever had. The question is if he would come and if we are smart enough to try and get him.

Let me get this straight, Hauck gets chewed up for for not coming up with any 2nd half adjustments to Nova running it donw out throats (not his fault, defense played like girls). The same thing happened to Carrol in there semifinal game, the difference was it passing instead of run. He must not know how to make adjustments at halftime. So crap we dont need him.

Carroll was down 14 points to Lindenwood at half-time. They tied it at 35 all only to lose in the last minute.

 

[Georgia Griz]

It's nothing to do with the fans and the demands we put on him. He loves the fans and has stated so many times though he thinks little of eGriz.

In 7 years Hauck has watched Kelly go from GVSU to CMU to Cinncinatti to Notre Dame. From $130,000, to $200,000 to $700,000 to $1,500,000.

Hauck has stayed at Montana for 7 years and seen a raise from $110,000 to $145,000 base salary.

Numbers are approximate but I think fairly close. Anyway you get the point. He can't ever progress his career here where there is little incentive to advance to a higher level and the pay is capped by the state. He has zero incentive to stay here. He would be a 60 year old coach making $220,000 base salary in 17 years.

I'm not so sure that we should mention Bobby and Brian Kelly in the same breath. There is a reason Kelly has moved through the ranks so fast.

 

[AZGrizFan]

220,000 is such a terrible wage for coaching football

If you could triple your salary, would you?

 

[mtgriz]

From Wiki:

Kelly joined the Grand Valley State University staff in 1987 as a graduate assistant and defensive backs coach for Coach Tom Beck and became the defensive coordinator and recruiting coordinator in 1989. Coach Kelly took over as head coach in 1991. In his final three seasons the Lakers went 41-2, at one point winning 20 consecutive games. The Lakers went 14-0 in 2002 en route to their first national title and went 14-1 in 2003 when they claimed their second National Championship. Kelly was named the AFCA Division II Coach of the Year after each of these championship years.

In his 13 years as head coach at Grand Valley the Lakers won five conference titles and made six Division II Playoff appearances. Grand Valley State never finished lower than third in the Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletics Conference under Kelly.

The 2001 team set 77 NCAA, GLIAC, and school records, including setting the all-time Division II scoring record, averaging 58.4 points per game.

His record in 13 years at Grand Valley State University was 118-35-2

If Bobby stays another 5 years or so with similar success he will have very similar bona fides to Kelly's when Kelly stepped up to a mid-level FBS program at C. Michigan. While he may get the chance to leave this year, staying awhile longer does not preclude a Kelly-like ascension 5 or 6 years from now. In other words, professionally speaking, it is not necessarily time for Hauck to poop or get off the pot. Even if he's offered, I'm not convinced it's a no brainer to accept.

 

[ronbo]

Hauck did his assistant work at UCLA, Colorado, and Washington. Kelly did it all at GVSU. Kelly left for CMU at the age of 43, Hauck is 45.

 

[Grizzly4Life]

So why doesn't Griz Nation and the GSA just get 20K member *(Season Ticket Holders)s to pony up an extra $50 per year per seat...and there is a Cool 1 Million dollars to pay for any coach and staff at our level of football, there would not be a close second - I mean any coach we want or realistically desire?

We could match UNLV pay - just come up with the difference over and above the State limits.!!!! - I offered the idea and $1000 a year to that fund...I think a lot of people would if approached.


If Griz Nation wants it...then let's do it!!

I gotta job, but I will pony up one way or the other one amount or another.

I think a $50 per ticket surcharge is a no brainer.

There is a simple easy way to

Downwith, what do you think would happen if the GSA made every seat in the stadium a GSA seat and added a fee to each one? Would there be a total isht storm or just a minor blow up?

I already pay a GSA fee but I am curious to see what others think.

 

[GrizLA]

So why doesn't Griz Nation and the GSA just get 20K member *(Season Ticket Holders)s to pony up an extra $50 per year per seat...and there is a Cool 1 Million dollars to pay for any coach and staff at our level of football, there would not be a close second - I mean any coach we want or realistically desire?

We could match UNLV pay - just come up with the difference over and above the State limits.!!!! - I offered the idea and $1000 a year to that fund...I think a lot of people would if approached.


If Griz Nation wants it...then let's do it!!

I gotta job, but I will pony up one way or the other one amount or another.

I think a $50 per ticket surcharge is a no brainer.

There is a simple easy way to

Downwith, what do you think would happen if the GSA made every seat in the stadium a GSA seat and added a fee to each one? Would there be a total isht storm or just a minor blow up?

I already pay a GSA fee but I am curious to see what others think.

In a small state like Montana, whose universities are already cutting back, it is next to criminal to pay the football coach more than a good professor...