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The real details in the "unsealed document" - shocking
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crackgina said:tnt said:Wrong on so many levels. You are trying to masquerade as an unbiased poster but your bias and lies are showing. The Honor Court has been in the UTU agreement since at least 1987 and I know because I was the student complaint officer for ASUM for three years. You are full of shit, plain and simple. The Dean is NOT supposed to make a determination of guilt or innocence, but rather the Dean is to run the Court objectively. The members of the Court are to hear evidence and decide the merits. The Dean in this case, according to a Federal Judge, did things that shocked him and violated due process, yet you have no problem with it. Mr. Couture unmasked?
The judge wasn't so incensed that he wasn't willing for the entire procedure to be played out.
The only way ANYTHING gets to the conduct court is if following the pre-hearing conference the designated Ofiicer (staff member) and Dean's administrative solution is rejected by the accused. There is no reason for a "court" if the dean thinks the accused is innocent.
In the real world, its not much different a "real judge" can run an impartial trial. But he has decided well before that has ever happened whether or not there exists enough "evidence" to result in a conviction.... (or their is no trial)
Couture is a dinosaur living in the world before 1987 when the "dean" was king of the domain and could work directly with students.
Sorry you don't like reality. But you have your horse and carts sadly mixed up. The process is moving forward. JJ is far from gone. Its too bad all this concern for due process, if truly avoided, hasn't been pointed to the some 300 students a year going through Coutures office instead of save for a single football player. Biased or not I don't believ he has a vote? And certainly didn't have much effect on the "Gang rape" outcome and he clearly had an opinion on that one.
What you all seem to be missing is that the attorneys in a major pissing contest had no part of the Hearing. They aren't allowed to. That didn't stop DP. nor did it stop Arofonsky from getting involved. It doesn't appear to me that the board knew about any of it beyond scuttlebutt.
GrizPony
Well-known member
The standard for an injunction is extremely high, whether a Judge is "incensed" is irrelevant to that determination or do you believe that to be the actual standard of proof required for an injunction? Additionally, it is completely different in the "real world", of which you seem to have no understanding, because the jurors make the decision without the judge frolicking in with his arm around the complainant. If you think that doesn't impact member's decisions then God help you. The 300 students BEFORE JJ's case didn't have the standard of "clear and convincing evidence" changed on them right before the hearing so they had a little more due process now didn't they? I would be just as upset if they changed that standard on ANY student. Your bias against football/JJ is so great that you are willing to excuse any un-Constitutional blunder as long as you get the result you want. (And don't pretend you don't have an agenda anymore because your true colors are on display). Also, quit using the term "gang rape" because your holy tribunal declared there wasn't one that occurred, right?
GrizPony
Well-known member
tnt said:crackgina said:tnt said:Wrong on so many levels. You are trying to masquerade as an unbiased poster but your bias and lies are showing. The Honor Court has been in the UTU agreement since at least 1987 and I know because I was the student complaint officer for ASUM for three years. You are full of shit, plain and simple. The Dean is NOT supposed to make a determination of guilt or innocence, but rather the Dean is to run the Court objectively. The members of the Court are to hear evidence and decide the merits. The Dean in this case, according to a Federal Judge, did things that shocked him and violated due process, yet you have no problem with it. Mr. Couture unmasked?
The judge wasn't so incensed that he wasn't willing for the entire procedure to be played out.
The only way ANYTHING gets to the conduct court is if following the pre-hearing conference the designated Ofiicer (staff member) and Dean's administrative solution is rejected by the accused. There is no reason for a "court" if the dean thinks the accused is innocent.
In the real world, its not much different a "real judge" can run an impartial trial. But he has decided well before that has ever happened whether or not there exists enough "evidence" to result in a conviction.... (or their is no trial)
Couture is a dinosaur living in the world before 1987 when the "dean" was king of the domain and could work directly with students.
Sorry you don't like reality. But you have your horse and carts sadly mixed up. The process is moving forward. JJ is far from gone. Its too bad all this concern for due process, if truly avoided, hasn't been pointed to the some 300 students a year going through Coutures office instead of save for a single football player. Biased or not I don't believ he has a vote? And certainly didn't have much effect on the "Gang rape" outcome and he clearly had an opinion on that one.
What you all seem to be missing is that the attorneys in a major pissing contest had no part of the Hearing. They aren't allowed to. That didn't stop DP. nor did it stop Arofonsky from getting involved. It doesn't appear to me that the board knew about any of it beyond scuttlebutt.
Just out of curiosity, how was it that you, of all people, know what Couture's pre-judged opinion was regarding the "gang rape"? :?
crackgina said:
That one? I was hoping you might have read the Dear Colleague letter. Beyond that I would have hoped you have had sense enough to know if Couture saw in excess of 300 students a year at least some of them after the first of the year. That and had I realized it was you, I wouldn't have bothered with the second one. You haven't done or said much that wasn't a cut and paste from someone else. Sometimes it fits sometimes it doesn't. I can assure you, you have not a clue what I think. A few here can engage in some conversation/discussion. Others miss it all.
tnt said:
The Dear Colleague letter doesn't say to lower the standard during an ongoing proceeding, nor does it say that the rights of the accused and due process should not be respected. What are you citing in the Dear Colleague letter? I've read the entire letter. It's long. I bet you haven't.
WaGriz4life
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Exactly. TNT's continuous bullshit he spews is getting tiring.Boozer said:
Good to hear from you Boozer. You gotta start posting more. Can't wait to out party you and kick your ass in Bags at Goosetown :thumb: '
ilovethecats says The Haufbrau is a pizza parlour we can't miss out on in Anaconda. He is the one legit Bobcat on this board who I can trust
WaGriz4life said:Exactly. TNT's continuous bullshit he spews is getting tiring.Boozer said:
Good to hear from you Boozer. You gotta start posting more. Can't wait to out party you and kick your ass in Bags at Goosetown :thumb: '
ilovethecats says The Haufbrau is a pizza parlour we can't miss out on in Anaconda. He is the one legit Bobcat on this board who I can trust
He's correct about the Haufbrau. Or at least it USED to be that way....haven't been there in several years.
WaGriz4life said:Exactly. TNT's continuous bullshit he spews is getting tiring.Boozer said:
Good to hear from you Boozer. You gotta start posting more. Can't wait to out party you and kick your ass in Bags at Goosetown :thumb: '
ilovethecats says The Haufbrau is a pizza parlour we can't miss out on in Anaconda. He is the one legit Bobcat on this board who I can trust
If that means I don't have to be on your team then I'm all for it. Been dragging me down for years.
AZGrizFan said:WaGriz4life said:Exactly. TNT's continuous bullshit he spews is getting tiring.Boozer said:
Good to hear from you Boozer. You gotta start posting more. Can't wait to out party you and kick your ass in Bags at Goosetown :thumb: '
ilovethecats says The Haufbrau is a pizza parlour we can't miss out on in Anaconda. He is the one legit Bobcat on this board who I can trust
He's correct about the Haufbrau. Or at least it USED to be that way....haven't been there in several years.
It's still good my man, I promise.
Raider, where are you from...meaning where did you grow up?
Raider said:AZGrizFan said:WaGriz4life said:Exactly. TNT's continuous bullshit he spews is getting tiring.Boozer said:
Good to hear from you Boozer. You gotta start posting more. Can't wait to out party you and kick your ass in Bags at Goosetown :thumb: '
ilovethecats says The Haufbrau is a pizza parlour we can't miss out on in Anaconda. He is the one legit Bobcat on this board who I can trust
He's correct about the Haufbrau. Or at least it USED to be that way....haven't been there in several years.
It's still good my man, I promise.
Sister has a cabin at Georgetown. Maybe I'll swing by for a pie next time we're up there. :thumb:
