The real details in the "unsealed document" - shocking

[indian-outlaw]

Keep in mind that a judge threw this out when it was presented there is another side certainly.

Actually no he didn't, he threw it out at the defendant and Paoli's request.

I am confused, did Paosi request that his own lawsuit be dismissed?

Yes he did - as the report reads and the documents cite.

And my guess why; look at what we're talking about. How else would the side of the defendant come to light? Build a case, put it in court, get it dismissed by request of the defendant, and make the documents public. Now all of the rumor that's been swirling is out in a public manner.

Got it! Makes sense to me now thanks for that Brint.

 

[BWahlberg]

Actually no he didn't, he threw it out at the defendant and Paoli's request.

I am confused, did Paosi request that his own lawsuit be dismissed?

Yes he did - as the report reads and the documents cite.

And my guess why; look at what we're talking about. How else would the side of the defendant come to light? Build a case, put it in court, get it dismissed by request of the defendant, and make the documents public. Now all of the rumor that's been swirling is out in a public manner.

Got it! Makes sense to me now thanks for that Brint.

You bet - it's really the only way I can make sense of it, and that's just a guess on my part as well. It seems to fit though, because otherwise based on these claims - the defendant most certainly has a case, I would doubt this would be thrown out otherwise.

 

[griz4life]

Keep in mind that a judge threw this out when it was presented there is another side certainly.

Actually no he didn't, he threw it out at the defendant and Paoli's request.

I am confused, did Paosi request that his own lawsuit be dismissed?

Yes he did - as the report reads and the documents cite.

And my guess why; look at what we're talking about. How else would the side of the defendant come to light? Build a case, put it in court, get it dismissed by request of the defendant, and make the documents public. Now all of the rumor that's been swirling is out in a public manner.

True. None of this sees the light of day without the federal filing. If it's up to the leadership of the University of Montana, Mr. Doe never gets a fair hearing and is expelled without the public being the wiser. Creepy.

 

[WaGriz4life]

Creepy to say the least. This is so embarassing

 

[griz4life]

This just in (seriously): The Montana Board of Regents have settled on a new name for the College of Great Falls. Way to go, guys. Your leadership is amazing :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[BWahlberg]

I can't imagine with this kind of information now public that the board of regents would just rubber-stamp such a decision.

They have to be aware that in doing so it would result in a massive and costly lawsuit.

 

[WaGriz4life]

:laugh: City College at Montana State University-Billings

http://montanacollegenow.com/post/23744556932/montana-university-systems-board-of-regents-approve" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[tampa_griz]

Wow. Just wow. At first it's kind of easy to dismiss what is charged here because it comes from the accused's attorney. But then you have to remember when the judge said that the treatment and fairness being given to the defendant is "offensive". That's a strong word.

 

[BWahlberg]

Wow. Just wow. At first it's kind of easy to dismiss what is charged here because it comes from the accused's attorney. But then you have to remember when the judge said that the treatment and fairness being given to the defendant is "offensive". That's a strong word.

Big time, you've got a presumably non-biased party saying that in this case, that says something about the process. And I'd presume that judge has also seen/read "the other side" as well.

 

[indian-outlaw]

I can't imagine with this kind of information now public that the board of regents would just rubber-stamp such a decision.

They have to be aware that in doing so it would result in a massive and costly lawsuit.

As I said earlier Clay Christian is waiting to see if the DA files charges if they don't he will almost certainly not rubber stamp the UM’s disciplinary proceedings.

 

[grizpaws]

Yes he did - as the report reads and the documents cite.

And my guess why; look at what we're talking about. How else would the side of the defendant come to light? Build a case, put it in court, get it dismissed by request of the defendant, and make the documents public. Now all of the rumor that's been swirling is out in a public manner.

Paoli was seeking an injunction to try to get the federal court to intervene in the UM disciplinary proceedings and stop them. That is really hard to do because Mr. Doe has access to review after those proceedings are complete and courts are reluctant to piece-meal hear what are essentially appeal issues. So Judge Christenson denied the motion for an injunction saying he wouldn't stop the UM process, but also saying that his decision did not mean Mr. Doe couldn't seek review when the UM process was complete and that he was disturbed by UM's apparent denial of a fair process to Mr. Doe. Since the complaint was filed to stop the process and the motion for injunction was denied, Paoli chose to voluntarily dismiss the complaint (but Mr. Doe can refile). As others have already pointed out, Paoli also got Mr. Doe's side of things out into the open.

 

[BWahlberg]

I can't imagine with this kind of information now public that the board of regents would just rubber-stamp such a decision.

They have to be aware that in doing so it would result in a massive and costly lawsuit.

As I said earlier Clay Christian is waiting to see if the DA files charges if they don't he will almost certainly not rubber stamp the UM’s disciplinary proceedings.

That makes sense - if the DA sees enough evidence to file against the defendant, then there you go. The DA will have actually conducted their investigation properly and not in the fashion that Coture did.

 

[tampa_griz]

Wow. Just wow. At first it's kind of easy to dismiss what is charged here because it comes from the accused's attorney. But then you have to remember when the judge said that the treatment and fairness being given to the defendant is "offensive". That's a strong word.

Big time, you've got a presumably non-biased party saying that in this case, that says something about the process. And I'd presume that judge has also seen/read "the other side" as well.

And it's not even that he just said "mistakes were made" or "you did this the wrong way".....nope. It was offensive.

And pray tell, how in the hell did the Missoulian not print the fact that the accused's attorney ask that his own damn lawsuit be dismissed? That's a huge nugget of information to leave out I must say.

Thanks for doubling as a journalist Brint. You're better than they are! :thumb:

 

[griz4life]

Yes he did - as the report reads and the documents cite.

And my guess why; look at what we're talking about. How else would the side of the defendant come to light? Build a case, put it in court, get it dismissed by request of the defendant, and make the documents public. Now all of the rumor that's been swirling is out in a public manner.

Paoli was seeking an injunction to try to get the federal court to intervene in the UM disciplinary proceedings and stop them. That is really hard to do because Mr. Doe has access to review after those proceedings are complete and courts are reluctant to piece-meal hear what are essentially appeal issues. So Judge Christenson denied the motion for an injunction saying he wouldn't stop the UM process, but also saying that his decision did not mean Mr. Doe couldn't seek review when the UM process was complete and that he was disturbed by UM's apparent denial of a fair process to Mr. Doe. Since the complaint was filed to stop the process and the motion for injunction was denied, Paoli chose to voluntarily dismiss the complaint (but Mr. Doe can refile). As others have already pointed out, Paoli also got Mr. Doe's side of things out into the open.

That's not my quote, Grizpaw.

 

[grizpaws]

Griz4life: Sorry, I just used the "quote" function. Not sure why it put your name in.

 

[Tokyogriz]

We all know who this involves and it doesnt suprise me that UM has gone the other direction attacking male students with the current hysteria around sports and sex assaults.

The current/or previous 6 months of the UM situation was NEVER about real justice or getting to a truthful resolution of any accusations.

Thanks Royce. Your such a great leader.

Half this board is more worried about perceptions than actual truth. Humanity always operates at its best when it runs around attacking people based on perceptions doesnt it.

 

[SouthDakotaGrizzly]

After reading through that, and seeing how he's been treated by UM, it's really kind of hard to believe that JJ still wants to be here. Innocent or not, Couture was obviously out for blood.

 

[GrizMusician]

This is SO sad...

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[griz4life]

After reading through that, and seeing how he's been treated by UM, it's really kind of hard to believe that JJ still wants to be here. Innocent or not, Couture was obviously out for blood.

Sure, but what are JJ's options? He's signed a contract to play football for the University of Montana in exchange for a scholarship. If he just leaves, he'll probably never play again, not with this unresolved crap hanging over his head. If he never plays again, he's sure to lose his promise of a free college education-- that 's worth quite a bit these days.

It's easy to say Couture was out for blood, but I don't know many freelancing administrators at the University of Montana, or any other U for that matter. I seriously doubt Couture was on that long of a leash in February when this crap-ball started rolling down hill. Considering that his role in giving the Saudi student accused of rape a head start leaving town, I'll bet the dean of students wasn't calling his own shots.

 

[OldtiredGRiz]

I can't get that document to open. When I click the link, i get to the Missoulian headline, but there is no document to go with it. Any suggestions on opening it?