The Problem with Ivy Athletics, and Reason not in Playoffs

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Of course :thumb:

 

[GrizLA]

The Ivy League is considered "plan B" by most Stanford rejects.

Average SAT scores for the 75th percentile of the entering class are higher than Stanford at Harvard (60), Princeton (60), Yale (50), Columbia (30) and Dartmouth (20)--and slightly lower at Brown and Penn. Cornell doesn't seem to have Writing stats, so can't compare.

Stanford rejects more high scoring students, even those with perfect records in favor of holistic admission policies....the Ivy League is considered "plan B" and Dartmouth, Brown and Penn are 'safe" schools. Sorry.

 

[Eriul]

The Ivy League is considered "plan B" by most Stanford rejects.

Average SAT scores for the 75th percentile of the entering class are higher than Stanford at Harvard (60), Princeton (60), Yale (50), Columbia (30) and Dartmouth (20)--and slightly lower at Brown and Penn. Cornell doesn't seem to have Writing stats, so can't compare.

Stanford rejects more high scoring students, even those with perfect records in favor of holistic admission policies....the Ivy League is considered "plan B" and Dartmouth, Brown and Penn are 'safe" schools. Sorry.

I dunno much about Stanford admissions besides their MBA program which I applied for recently. I was rejected in the first round of admissions with a GMAT score above their average(which is highest in the nation.) As far as MBA's go, Stanford is the golden standard. Everywhere else is B school. As far as other stuff, idk.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

The Ivy League is considered "plan B" by most Stanford rejects.

Average SAT scores for the 75th percentile of the entering class are higher than Stanford at Harvard (60), Princeton (60), Yale (50), Columbia (30) and Dartmouth (20)--and slightly lower at Brown and Penn. Cornell doesn't seem to have Writing stats, so can't compare.

Stanford rejects more high scoring students, even those with perfect records in favor of holistic admission policies....the Ivy League is considered "plan B" and Dartmouth, Brown and Penn are 'safe" schools. Sorry.

I dunno much about Stanford admissions besides their MBA program which I applied for recently. I was rejected in the first round of admissions with a GMAT score above their average(which is highest in the nation.) As far as MBA's go, Stanford is the golden standard. Everywhere else is B school. As far as other stuff, idk.

You gotta remember too, it's The Bay Area. Yes, I know all the " coldest winter I've ever experienced was a summer in SF" talk but it isn't the Northeast. Let's face it. A lot of people want to go there. Palo Alto is a nice place.

 

[PlayerRep]

The Ivy League is considered "plan B" by most Stanford rejects.

Average SAT scores for the 75th percentile of the entering class are higher than Stanford at Harvard (60), Princeton (60), Yale (50), Columbia (30) and Dartmouth (20)--and slightly lower at Brown and Penn. Cornell doesn't seem to have Writing stats, so can't compare.

Stanford rejects more high scoring students, even those with perfect records in favor of holistic admission policies....the Ivy League is considered "plan B" and Dartmouth, Brown and Penn are 'safe" schools. Sorry.

You don't know what you're talking about. Ivy league is hardly plan B. Of course, Stanford is a wonderful school.

Stanford has almost 36% of its students from CA in the class of 2017. Overall, Stanford currently has 39% of its undergrads from CA, and 53% from other places in the US. Please don't try to tell us that 39% of the brightest high school kids in the US are in CA, which has only 12% of the US population (in fact, it's 39% compared to 53%, so the percentage is actually 42% of US students from CA--excluding foreign students). Stanford has 21% Asian and 15% hispanic. 32% white. These are undergraduate numbers in class of 2017, unless otherwise noted. The '17 numbers are roughly the same as the current total undergrad population.

 

[GrizLA]

The Ivy League is considered "plan B" by most Stanford rejects.

Average SAT scores for the 75th percentile of the entering class are higher than Stanford at Harvard (60), Princeton (60), Yale (50), Columbia (30) and Dartmouth (20)--and slightly lower at Brown and Penn. Cornell doesn't seem to have Writing stats, so can't compare.

Stanford rejects more high scoring students, even those with perfect records in favor of holistic admission policies....the Ivy League is considered "plan B" and Dartmouth, Brown and Penn are 'safe" schools. Sorry.

You don't know what you're talking about. Ivy league is hardly plan B. Of course, Stanford is a wonderful school.

Stanford has almost 36% of its students from CA in the class of 2017. Overall, Stanford currently has 39% of its undergrads from CA, and 53% from other places in the US. Please don't try to tell us that 39% of the brightest high school kids in the US are in CA, which has only 12% of the US population (in fact, it's 39% compared to 53%, so the percentage is actually 42% of US students from CA--excluding foreign students). Stanford has 21% Asian and 15% hispanic. 32% white. These are undergraduate numbers in class of 2017, unless otherwise noted. The '17 numbers are roughly the same as the current total undergrad population.

Wow...just wow....to paraphrase a certain movie line...Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn....Just as an aside, do you have ANY sense of humor?

 

[PlayerRep]

Average SAT scores for the 75th percentile of the entering class are higher than Stanford at Harvard (60), Princeton (60), Yale (50), Columbia (30) and Dartmouth (20)--and slightly lower at Brown and Penn. Cornell doesn't seem to have Writing stats, so can't compare.

Stanford rejects more high scoring students, even those with perfect records in favor of holistic admission policies....the Ivy League is considered "plan B" and Dartmouth, Brown and Penn are 'safe" schools. Sorry.

You don't know what you're talking about. Ivy league is hardly plan B. Of course, Stanford is a wonderful school.

Stanford has almost 36% of its students from CA in the class of 2017. Overall, Stanford currently has 39% of its undergrads from CA, and 53% from other places in the US. Please don't try to tell us that 39% of the brightest high school kids in the US are in CA, which has only 12% of the US population (in fact, it's 39% compared to 53%, so the percentage is actually 42% of US students from CA--excluding foreign students). Stanford has 21% Asian and 15% hispanic. 32% white. These are undergraduate numbers in class of 2017, unless otherwise noted. The '17 numbers are roughly the same as the current total undergrad population.

Wow...just wow....to paraphrase a certain movie line...Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn....Just as an aside, do you have ANY sense of humor?

I have a terrific sense of humor, and I think you are a joke. Ha.

 

[GrizLA]

Stanford rejects more high scoring students, even those with perfect records in favor of holistic admission policies....the Ivy League is considered "plan B" and Dartmouth, Brown and Penn are 'safe" schools. Sorry.

You don't know what you're talking about. Ivy league is hardly plan B. Of course, Stanford is a wonderful school.

Stanford has almost 36% of its students from CA in the class of 2017. Overall, Stanford currently has 39% of its undergrads from CA, and 53% from other places in the US. Please don't try to tell us that 39% of the brightest high school kids in the US are in CA, which has only 12% of the US population (in fact, it's 39% compared to 53%, so the percentage is actually 42% of US students from CA--excluding foreign students). Stanford has 21% Asian and 15% hispanic. 32% white. These are undergraduate numbers in class of 2017, unless otherwise noted. The '17 numbers are roughly the same as the current total undergrad population.

Wow...just wow....to paraphrase a certain movie line...Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn....Just as an aside, do you have ANY sense of humor?

I have a terrific sense of humor, and I think you are a joke. Ha.

Well, at least, that is something. I don't take myself seriously nor should you. Have a nice night.

 

[EverettGriz]

I tried to defend you a few times in the past, but I'm starting to think that maybe Alpha's got you pegged correctly.

Smartest thing you have posted in a decade, under any screen name.

Maybe I am slightly off on the ivy league education?

I threw you a bone because one of my kids graduated from CMR.

I'm not certain which is more concerning to me: that you have offspring or that you found a woman willing to have sex with you.

 

[Eriul]

I tried to defend you a few times in the past, but I'm starting to think that maybe Alpha's got you pegged correctly.

Smartest thing you have posted in a decade, under any screen name.

Maybe I am slightly off on the ivy league education?

I threw you a bone because one of my kids graduated from CMR.

I'm not certain which is more concerning to me: that you have offspring or that you found a woman willing to have sex with you.

Do they allow single people to adopt? Because my money is on that being a much higher probability.

 

[PlayerRep]

You don't know what you're talking about. Ivy league is hardly plan B. Of course, Stanford is a wonderful school.

Stanford has almost 36% of its students from CA in the class of 2017. Overall, Stanford currently has 39% of its undergrads from CA, and 53% from other places in the US. Please don't try to tell us that 39% of the brightest high school kids in the US are in CA, which has only 12% of the US population (in fact, it's 39% compared to 53%, so the percentage is actually 42% of US students from CA--excluding foreign students). Stanford has 21% Asian and 15% hispanic. 32% white. These are undergraduate numbers in class of 2017, unless otherwise noted. The '17 numbers are roughly the same as the current total undergrad population.

Wow...just wow....to paraphrase a certain movie line...Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn....Just as an aside, do you have ANY sense of humor?

I have a terrific sense of humor, and I think you are a joke. Ha.

Well, at least, that is something. I don't take myself seriously nor should you. Have a nice night.

I'll be at Stanford for meetings early next week, following up on meetings there last fall. Want me to say hi to anyone for you?

 

[argh!]

my eyes grow dim... i cannot see...

 

[poorgriz]

As far as learning anything useful in college, regardless of which college you go to... that is only for Doctors, Lawyers, and some types of engineering. For everything else in the world, college is a joke... a really fun time to party and do crazy chit and get that piece of paper. For anything related to the real world business and how things really work, most people learn more in their first year of employment than in four years of college.

 

[PlayerRep]

As far as learning anything useful in college, regardless of which college you go to... that is only for Doctors, Lawyers, and some types of engineering. For everything else in the world, college is a joke... a really fun time to party and do crazy chit and get that piece of paper. For anything related to the real world business and how things really work, most people learn more in their first year of employment than in four years of college.

That depends on where one goes to college. That has been one of my main points in this thread.

Going to college and getting a good education is more than preparing for grad school or preparing for the business world or a job (and also having fun and making connections), for many people. And, in my view, it's important for it to be much more than those things. Learning how to think critically, analyze well, write well, etc. are very important. Expanding one's horizons is also important, at least for many people. While a college education isn't for everyone and isn't necessary for everyone, I believe, generally, that an educated person and population makes for a better country.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Also, college is a good place to meet beautiful, smart women.

 

[poorgriz]

As far as learning anything useful in college, regardless of which college you go to... that is only for Doctors, Lawyers, and some types of engineering. For everything else in the world, college is a joke... a really fun time to party and do crazy chit and get that piece of paper. For anything related to the real world business and how things really work, most people learn more in their first year of employment than in four years of college.

That depends on where one goes to college. That has been one of my main points in this thread.

Going to college and getting a good education is more than preparing for grad school or preparing for the business world or a job (and also having fun and making connections), for many people. And, in my view, it's important for it to be much more than those things. Learning how to think critically, analyze well, write well, etc. are very important. Expanding one's horizons is also important, at least for many people. While a college education isn't for everyone and isn't necessary for everyone, I believe, generally, that an educated person and population makes for a better country.

Right... but didn't you learn way more about the "real world" and how things really work in business etc, world by actually getting immersed in it and interacting with people that were immersed in it, rather than reading about it and sitting in a classroom listening professors drone on and on about how things supposedly work?

 

[PTGrizzly]

Also, college is a good place to meet beautiful, smart women.

The smart part is debatable.

 

[grizatwork]

As far as learning anything useful in college, regardless of which college you go to... that is only for Doctors, Lawyers, and some types of engineering. For everything else in the world, college is a joke... a really fun time to party and do crazy chit and get that piece of paper. For anything related to the real world business and how things really work, most people learn more in their first year of employment than in four years of college.

That depends on where one goes to college. That has been one of my main points in this thread.

Going to college and getting a good education is more than preparing for grad school or preparing for the business world or a job (and also having fun and making connections), for many people. And, in my view, it's important for it to be much more than those things. Learning how to think critically, analyze well, write well, etc. are very important. Expanding one's horizons is also important, at least for many people. While a college education isn't for everyone and isn't necessary for everyone, I believe, generally, that an educated person and population makes for a better country.

Right... but didn't you learn way more about the "real world" and how things really work in business etc, world by actually getting immersed in it and interacting with people that were immersed in it, rather than reading about it and sitting in a classroom listening professors drone on and on about how things supposedly work?

I admit I learned more in my first year of work than I did in my years of college, but that would not have been possible without the education I received in college. Much of that was the critical thinking and problem solving I learned in college as well as the maturity that came with the whole process of college.

 

[PTGrizzly]

As far as learning anything useful in college, regardless of which college you go to... that is only for Doctors, Lawyers, and some types of engineering. For everything else in the world, college is a joke... a really fun time to party and do crazy chit and get that piece of paper. For anything related to the real world business and how things really work, most people learn more in their first year of employment than in four years of college.

That depends on where one goes to college. That has been one of my main points in this thread.

Going to college and getting a good education is more than preparing for grad school or preparing for the business world or a job (and also having fun and making connections), for many people. And, in my view, it's important for it to be much more than those things. Learning how to think critically, analyze well, write well, etc. are very important. Expanding one's horizons is also important, at least for many people. While a college education isn't for everyone and isn't necessary for everyone, I believe, generally, that an educated person and population makes for a better country.

Right... but didn't you learn way more about the "real world" and how things really work in business etc, world by actually getting immersed in it and interacting with people that were immersed in it, rather than reading about it and sitting in a classroom listening professors drone on and on about how things supposedly work?

I admit I learned more in my first year of work than I did in my years of college, but that would not have been possible without the education I received in college. Much of that was the critical thinking and problem solving I learned in college as well as the maturity that came with the whole process of college.

This.

 

[PlayerRep]

As far as learning anything useful in college, regardless of which college you go to... that is only for Doctors, Lawyers, and some types of engineering. For everything else in the world, college is a joke... a really fun time to party and do crazy chit and get that piece of paper. For anything related to the real world business and how things really work, most people learn more in their first year of employment than in four years of college.

That depends on where one goes to college. That has been one of my main points in this thread.

Going to college and getting a good education is more than preparing for grad school or preparing for the business world or a job (and also having fun and making connections), for many people. And, in my view, it's important for it to be much more than those things. Learning how to think critically, analyze well, write well, etc. are very important. Expanding one's horizons is also important, at least for many people. While a college education isn't for everyone and isn't necessary for everyone, I believe, generally, that an educated person and population makes for a better country.

Right... but didn't you learn way more about the "real world" and how things really work in business etc, world by actually getting immersed in it and interacting with people that were immersed in it, rather than reading about it and sitting in a classroom listening professors drone on and on about how things supposedly work?

Yes, most of what I learned about the real world of business and law, came after school and on the job. But, as pointed out by grizatwork/PT, most of the what was later learned about the real world would not have been possible, or as complete, without what was learned in school. Besides the critical thinking aspects, it also including the liberal arts courses in college and theoretical courses taken in law school. I actually didn't take my courses, in college or law school, that had professors discussing how business things, or the real world, really work.