The Players

[jodcon]

First class young men, first class team.

Second class coaches with first class character.

Third class University president with fourth class character.

Fifth class eGriz posters with eighth class character.

We resemble that remark. :lol:

 

[UnbiasedObserver33]

I have been following the Griz and the site forever and never bothered to sign up for an account. My first post can assure you that not one of the players gives a damn about what you all say. You all need more to do with your lives if you are going to try to live through a bunch of 18-22 year old kids. None of you really know them too well so quick acting like you are best friends with them.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I have been following the Griz and the site forever and never bothered to sign up for an account. My first post can assure you that not one of the players gives a damn about what you all say. You all need more to do with your lives if you are going to try to live through a bunch of 18-22 year old kids. None of you really know them too well so quick acting like you are best friends with them.

Good post! But does that mean that the rumor about NAU players reading E-Griz for motivation was untrue?
That would mean two football teams don't care about what's posted on E-Griz. Hmmm.....

 

[BellevueGriz]

Great post! The duties, responsibilities, and time commitment these student-athletes take on to represent their university, former players, fans, student body, and family is most likely 5 times greater than that of a regular student. These young men get up before 5:30 am all year long to better themselves on the field and in the classroom (without complaining). To be brutally honest, most of the student-athletes on scholarship at UM are not on full-rides. At the FCS level the majority of scholarships are divided up and shared amongst the team members. The general public is not made aware of each individual situation; but only that an athlete is on scholarship. With this in mind, the amount of time these student-athletes devote to football, and the number of hours spent working to benefit the university is worth much more than the true economic value of their scholarship. Those who think that their tax dollars go toward funding some student-athlete's full ride scholarship is greatly mistaken (scholarship funding is paid for by endowments gifted to the university by big time boosters and donors who donate to the general athletic fund). These Griz football players are amateur athletes in every sense of the word. Yes you can be upset that we lost. Of course you can point out which players performed poorly. But while we all have the right to criticize and praise based on performance, we must always continue to show support for our players. One loss does not define a season. Two losses does not define a season. The character of our football team will be revealed through how they deal with adversity THROUGHOUT the course of a season. Do not judge our abilities and future based solely on one sub par performance. I expect these players to continue to strive to perform their best. While it is OK to criticize the actions and performance of the players, it is not OK to criticize the character of the players. There is a difference.

 

[PlayerRep]

Great post! The duties, responsibilities, and time commitment these student-athletes take on to represent their university, former players, fans, student body, and family is most likely 5 times greater than that of a regular student. These young men get up before 5:30 am all year long to better themselves on the field and in the classroom (without complaining). To be brutally honest, most of the student-athletes on scholarship at UM are not on full-rides. At the FCS level the majority of scholarships are divided up and shared amongst the team members. The general public is not made aware of each individual situation; but only that an athlete is on scholarship. With this in mind, the amount of time these student-athletes devote to football, and the number of hours spent working to benefit the university is worth much more than the true economic value of their scholarship. Those who think that their tax dollars go toward funding some student-athlete's full ride scholarship is greatly mistaken (scholarship funding is paid for by endowments gifted to the university by big time boosters and donors who donate to the general athletic fund). These Griz football players are amateur athletes in every sense of the word. Yes you can be upset that we lost. Of course you can point out which players performed poorly. But while we all have the right to criticize and praise based on performance, we must always continue to show support for our players. One loss does not define a season. Two losses does not define a season. The character of our football team will be revealed through how they deal with adversity THROUGHOUT the course of a season. Do not judge our abilities and future based solely on one sub par performance. I expect these players to continue to strive to perform their best. While it is OK to criticize the actions and performance of the players, it is not OK to criticize the character of the players. There is a difference.

Nice post. You obviously played the game or coached it, or both.

To the board: Am I allowed to say that, or does also that hurt the feelings of too many posters?

 

[JayLarson]

Nice post. You obviously played the game or coached it, or both.

To the board: Am I allowed to say that, or does also that hurt the feelings of too many posters?

Do you actually think that you are funny? Enough with the coaching or playing crap, let the guy make his good post and agree with it or don't.

 

[kurtismichael]

Great post! The duties, responsibilities, and time commitment these student-athletes take on to represent their university, former players, fans, student body, and family is most likely 5 times greater than that of a regular student. These young men get up before 5:30 am all year long to better themselves on the field and in the classroom (without complaining). To be brutally honest, most of the student-athletes on scholarship at UM are not on full-rides. At the FCS level the majority of scholarships are divided up and shared amongst the team members. The general public is not made aware of each individual situation; but only that an athlete is on scholarship. With this in mind, the amount of time these student-athletes devote to football, and the number of hours spent working to benefit the university is worth much more than the true economic value of their scholarship. Those who think that their tax dollars go toward funding some student-athlete's full ride scholarship is greatly mistaken (scholarship funding is paid for by endowments gifted to the university by big time boosters and donors who donate to the general athletic fund). These Griz football players are amateur athletes in every sense of the word. Yes you can be upset that we lost. Of course you can point out which players performed poorly. But while we all have the right to criticize and praise based on performance, we must always continue to show support for our players. One loss does not define a season. Two losses does not define a season. The character of our football team will be revealed through how they deal with adversity THROUGHOUT the course of a season. Do not judge our abilities and future based solely on one sub par performance. I expect these players to continue to strive to perform their best. While it is OK to criticize the actions and performance of the players, it is not OK to criticize the character of the players. There is a difference.

Nice post. You obviously played the game or coached it, or both.

To the board: Am I allowed to say that, or does also that hurt the feelings of too many posters?

You and I have had this discussion before PR. I respect your knowledge and I don't get offended when you say that. I didn't play because football was unavailable to students in Lincoln, MT when I was growing up, they have 6 man now I believe. It was all cross country and basketball there. So Basketball became my game but I followed football since I was in grade school. I feel like at 41 I know a little about the game now but I would never claim to know enough to question a player or coaches decision. (well the kickoff thing last year was a little weird). This has actually been a nice thread to read. We need more like it on this board where Pickle boy doesn't taint it with his venom.

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

Great post! The duties, responsibilities, and time commitment these student-athletes take on to represent their university, former players, fans, student body, and family is most likely 5 times greater than that of a regular student. These young men get up before 5:30 am all year long to better themselves on the field and in the classroom (without complaining). To be brutally honest, most of the student-athletes on scholarship at UM are not on full-rides. At the FCS level the majority of scholarships are divided up and shared amongst the team members. The general public is not made aware of each individual situation; but only that an athlete is on scholarship. With this in mind, the amount of time these student-athletes devote to football, and the number of hours spent working to benefit the university is worth much more than the true economic value of their scholarship. Those who think that their tax dollars go toward funding some student-athlete's full ride scholarship is greatly mistaken (scholarship funding is paid for by endowments gifted to the university by big time boosters and donors who donate to the general athletic fund). These Griz football players are amateur athletes in every sense of the word. Yes you can be upset that we lost. Of course you can point out which players performed poorly. But while we all have the right to criticize and praise based on performance, we must always continue to show support for our players. One loss does not define a season. Two losses does not define a season. The character of our football team will be revealed through how they deal with adversity THROUGHOUT the course of a season. Do not judge our abilities and future based solely on one sub par performance. I expect these players to continue to strive to perform their best. While it is OK to criticize the actions and performance of the players, it is not OK to criticize the character of the players. There is a difference.

Nailed it! I was going to post my opinion, but don't need to now.

 

[PlayerRep]

Great post! The duties, responsibilities, and time commitment these student-athletes take on to represent their university, former players, fans, student body, and family is most likely 5 times greater than that of a regular student. These young men get up before 5:30 am all year long to better themselves on the field and in the classroom (without complaining). To be brutally honest, most of the student-athletes on scholarship at UM are not on full-rides. At the FCS level the majority of scholarships are divided up and shared amongst the team members. The general public is not made aware of each individual situation; but only that an athlete is on scholarship. With this in mind, the amount of time these student-athletes devote to football, and the number of hours spent working to benefit the university is worth much more than the true economic value of their scholarship. Those who think that their tax dollars go toward funding some student-athlete's full ride scholarship is greatly mistaken (scholarship funding is paid for by endowments gifted to the university by big time boosters and donors who donate to the general athletic fund). These Griz football players are amateur athletes in every sense of the word. Yes you can be upset that we lost. Of course you can point out which players performed poorly. But while we all have the right to criticize and praise based on performance, we must always continue to show support for our players. One loss does not define a season. Two losses does not define a season. The character of our football team will be revealed through how they deal with adversity THROUGHOUT the course of a season. Do not judge our abilities and future based solely on one sub par performance. I expect these players to continue to strive to perform their best. While it is OK to criticize the actions and performance of the players, it is not OK to criticize the character of the players. There is a difference.

Nice post. You obviously played the game or coached it, or both.

To the board: Am I allowed to say that, or does also that hurt the feelings of too many posters?

You and I have had this discussion before PR. I respect your knowledge and I don't get offended when you say that. I didn't play because football was unavailable to students in Lincoln, MT when I was growing up, they have 6 man now I believe. It was all cross country and basketball there. So Basketball became my game but I followed football since I was in grade school. I feel like at 41 I know a little about the game now but I would never claim to know enough to question a player or coaches decision. (well the kickoff thing last year was a little weird). This has actually been a nice thread to read. We need more like it on this board where Pickle boy doesn't taint it with his venom.

You post like you played the game.

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

I will say one thing about PR's comment about playing the game in relation to knowledge of the game. I have talked to a lot of very knowledgeable fans who know and understand football and provide good analysis on the game who haven't laced them up beyond HS. However, you can't dispute that someone who played college ball isn't going to have a better understanding of certain aspects of the game. When you enter a college football program there is a very steep learning curve. You are given a playbook that is much thicker and much more complex than anything you've seen, you are expected to spend hours watching film and studying tendencies of the opponent, and you have to be executing without making mistakes.

This requires the attention of pretty much a full time job of constantly bettering yourself as an athlete and a student of the game. Put that into perspective and now think of how many hours coaches spend on their knowledge base of the game and analyzing how their players are going to perform in what situations. Consider that when you are criticizing the coaches and players. Again, I realize that this is a fan board where everybody has a chance to put out their opinions, but I don't understand why people get upset when a former player backs their arguments with their experience playing and learning the game.

 

[PlayerRep]

Nice post. You obviously played the game or coached it, or both.

To the board: Am I allowed to say that, or does also that hurt the feelings of too many posters?

Do you actually think that you are funny? Enough with the coaching or playing crap, let the guy make his good post and agree with it or don't.

First, do you think I don't know the guy? Second, the second part of my post was, as I said, directed at the board--not him.

 

[yellowstone60]

great post, thank you ! One bad loss and lots of fair weather fans bailing, I don't like losing either, but, it does happen.

In case you’ve forgotten, Montana used its 2011 loss at Sac State as fuel for a fire, responding with a nine-game win streak. That propelled the Griz into the FCS playoff semifinal round.

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/football/johnson-griz-goals-still-attainable-despite-loss-at-nau/article_719c47a6-2b08-11e3-a604-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[kurtismichael]

I will say one thing about PR's comment about playing the game in relation to knowledge of the game. I have talked to a lot of very knowledgeable fans who know and understand football and provide good analysis on the game who haven't laced them up beyond HS. However, you can't dispute that someone who played college ball isn't going to have a better understanding of certain aspects of the game. When you enter a college football program there is a very steep learning curve. You are given a playbook that is much thicker and much more complex than anything you've seen, you are expected to spend hours watching film and studying tendencies of the opponent, and you have to be executing without making mistakes.

This requires the attention of pretty much a full time job of constantly bettering yourself as an athlete and a student of the game. Put that into perspective and now think of how many hours coaches spend on their knowledge base of the game and analyzing how their players are going to perform in what situations. Consider that when you are criticizing the coaches and players. Again, I realize that this is a fan board where everybody has a chance to put out their opinions, but I don't understand why people get upset when a former player backs their arguments with their experience playing and learning the game.

Good post. I agree and I do try to steer clear of criticizing players or coaches. I admit sometimes in the heat of the moment I'll lose it and say something like "what the hell was he thinking" or get discouraged with the team's performance but I know enough to know I don't know more than they do. Same with posters/fans who have played like PR, Hammer, Alpha Etc. I defer to their knowledge and enjoy learning from their posts.

 

[Raider]

I will say one thing about PR's comment about playing the game in relation to knowledge of the game. I have talked to a lot of very knowledgeable fans who know and understand football and provide good analysis on the game who haven't laced them up beyond HS. However, you can't dispute that someone who played college ball isn't going to have a better understanding of certain aspects of the game. When you enter a college football program there is a very steep learning curve. You are given a playbook that is much thicker and much more complex than anything you've seen, you are expected to spend hours watching film and studying tendencies of the opponent, and you have to be executing without making mistakes.

This requires the attention of pretty much a full time job of constantly bettering yourself as an athlete and a student of the game. Put that into perspective and now think of how many hours coaches spend on their knowledge base of the game and analyzing how their players are going to perform in what situations. Consider that when you are criticizing the coaches and players. Again, I realize that this is a fan board where everybody has a chance to put out their opinions, but I don't understand why people get upset when a former player backs their arguments with their experience playing and learning the game.

Good post. I agree and I do try to steer clear of criticizing players or coaches. I admit sometimes in the heat of the moment I'll lose it and say something like "what the hell was he thinking" or get discouraged with the team's performance but I know enough to know I don't know more than they do. Same with posters/fans who have played like PR, Hammer, Alpha Etc. I defer to their knowledge and enjoy learning from their posts.

Huh? Define what "have played" means......

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

I will say one thing about PR's comment about playing the game in relation to knowledge of the game. I have talked to a lot of very knowledgeable fans who know and understand football and provide good analysis on the game who haven't laced them up beyond HS. However, you can't dispute that someone who played college ball isn't going to have a better understanding of certain aspects of the game. When you enter a college football program there is a very steep learning curve. You are given a playbook that is much thicker and much more complex than anything you've seen, you are expected to spend hours watching film and studying tendencies of the opponent, and you have to be executing without making mistakes.

This requires the attention of pretty much a full time job of constantly bettering yourself as an athlete and a student of the game. Put that into perspective and now think of how many hours coaches spend on their knowledge base of the game and analyzing how their players are going to perform in what situations. Consider that when you are criticizing the coaches and players. Again, I realize that this is a fan board where everybody has a chance to put out their opinions, but I don't understand why people get upset when a former player backs their arguments with their experience playing and learning the game.

Good post. I agree and I do try to steer clear of criticizing players or coaches. I admit sometimes in the heat of the moment I'll lose it and say something like "what the hell was he thinking" or get discouraged with the team's performance but I know enough to know I don't know more than they do. Same with posters/fans who have played like PR, Hammer, Alpha Etc. I defer to their knowledge and enjoy learning from their posts.

I don't have a problem with criticizing if there is some reason behind it. Also, sometimes coaches and players do make obvious bonehead decisions and sometimes "experts" or former players are wrong. Shouldn't disuade people from making their opinions as long as they don't go all Steve Dill and start name calling.

 

[kurtismichael]

HighLineGriz, I think we can all agree no one on here aspires to be like Dill. Lol

 

[AZGrizFan]

Great post! The duties, responsibilities, and time commitment these student-athletes take on to represent their university, former players, fans, student body, and family is most likely 5 times greater than that of a regular student. These young men get up before 5:30 am all year long to better themselves on the field and in the classroom (without complaining). To be brutally honest, most of the student-athletes on scholarship at UM are not on full-rides. At the FCS level the majority of scholarships are divided up and shared amongst the team members. The general public is not made aware of each individual situation; but only that an athlete is on scholarship. With this in mind, the amount of time these student-athletes devote to football, and the number of hours spent working to benefit the university is worth much more than the true economic value of their scholarship. Those who think that their tax dollars go toward funding some student-athlete's full ride scholarship is greatly mistaken (scholarship funding is paid for by endowments gifted to the university by big time boosters and donors who donate to the general athletic fund). These Griz football players are amateur athletes in every sense of the word. Yes you can be upset that we lost. Of course you can point out which players performed poorly. But while we all have the right to criticize and praise based on performance, we must always continue to show support for our players. One loss does not define a season. Two losses does not define a season. The character of our football team will be revealed through how they deal with adversity THROUGHOUT the course of a season. Do not judge our abilities and future based solely on one sub par performance. I expect these players to continue to strive to perform their best. While it is OK to criticize the actions and performance of the players, it is not OK to criticize the character of the players. There is a difference.

Nice post. You obviously played the game or coached it, or both.

To the board: Am I allowed to say that, or does also that hurt the feelings of too many posters?

You are allowed to say whatever you want...I'm just trying to figure out what, in that post, would make you say THAT about this particular post... :?:

 

[PlayerRep]

Great post! The duties, responsibilities, and time commitment these student-athletes take on to represent their university, former players, fans, student body, and family is most likely 5 times greater than that of a regular student. These young men get up before 5:30 am all year long to better themselves on the field and in the classroom (without complaining). To be brutally honest, most of the student-athletes on scholarship at UM are not on full-rides. At the FCS level the majority of scholarships are divided up and shared amongst the team members. The general public is not made aware of each individual situation; but only that an athlete is on scholarship. With this in mind, the amount of time these student-athletes devote to football, and the number of hours spent working to benefit the university is worth much more than the true economic value of their scholarship. Those who think that their tax dollars go toward funding some student-athlete's full ride scholarship is greatly mistaken (scholarship funding is paid for by endowments gifted to the university by big time boosters and donors who donate to the general athletic fund). These Griz football players are amateur athletes in every sense of the word. Yes you can be upset that we lost. Of course you can point out which players performed poorly. But while we all have the right to criticize and praise based on performance, we must always continue to show support for our players. One loss does not define a season. Two losses does not define a season. The character of our football team will be revealed through how they deal with adversity THROUGHOUT the course of a season. Do not judge our abilities and future based solely on one sub par performance. I expect these players to continue to strive to perform their best. While it is OK to criticize the actions and performance of the players, it is not OK to criticize the character of the players. There is a difference.

Nice post. You obviously played the game or coached it, or both.

To the board: Am I allowed to say that, or does also that hurt the feelings of too many posters?

You are allowed to say whatever you want...I'm just trying to figure out what, in that post, would make you say THAT about this particular post... :?:

People who have played or coached the game would recognize, in that post, that the poster has been around football and sport alot, and understands the game. The poster also appears to be supportive of players. I could go on, but I don't want to unnessarily hurt anyone's feelings.