The Case for Higher Earning - NCAA Football Players

[Eriul]

That article is dog shit...and they do already get paid, its called not having to pay a dime for there education! Full ride for 4 years at Texas is basically paying a kid 80 thousand....not having that debt out of college sounds pretty fair to me.

There are other benefits as well, usually only at big boy football programs: better meals than normsl students, cushy summer internships at booster businesses, $100 handshakes, comped meals and drinks, use of automobiles, use of vacation homes, post graduate jobs at booster owned businesses because they need athletes to win coveted city rec league titles.

Smaller programs offering free laundry, post game tailgate hot dogs and some reduced or contingency fee based legal representation, for instance just can't compete for the best athletes. And now the big boys want to be able to throw cash at players......legally.

So what? Why would it remotely concern you if they paid some atheletes? I'm not talking hundred of thousands but what about a player who starts for his team gets 1000 a month. What exactly is the problem with that?

You're out of your mind if you think a athlete deserves 1000 a month. Don't forget to multiply that for every player in every sport. Who's going to foot the bill?

Uhh have you looked at how much schools like Alabama, Texas, LSU, Auburn, USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, etc. make off their football programs? You're saying 25 starters for those schools x 12,000 is out of the question? Because that's the amount that they pay schools like ours to come get curb stomped by them every year. And no I am not including fucking volleyball players and soccer players or basically any female sport. Obviously I am sticking to just football and basketball profit schools. And I can't believe you don't think players "don't deserve 1000 a month." I made more than that as a working student and players work way harder for their individual sport than most students do at their part time job.

 

[rimrockgriz]

It's interesting all of you in favor of paying athletes to attend college use the word "should" ??? I "should" have free health care. I "should" be able to start at the top. I "should"...I "should"... I "should"... and there lies the problem. Should, means duty or obligation... and I'm obligated to tell some of you that you do not posses foresight. The N.C.A.A. pays out 96% of its revenue every year...Syracuse University paid all of its revenue to pay for Title IX... Jim Boeheim said recently that that they made "zero" after it was all said and done last year. So go ahead and get the lawyers involved...certainly after the athletes best interest...right :?: :roll: Then when that blows up get politicians involved... right :?: :roll: Even though ignorance is growing at a record pace, I'll keep persisting in stamping it out...one "dolt" at a time. I had a full scholarship "AFTER" Pell Grants just like the Orangemen...Yes, Boeheim makes his athletes use their Pell eligibility first BEFORE they get "schollie" monies. bottom line...start paying athletes and you'll diminish the number of institutions drastically... I came from a poor family and I managed to buy shampoo, and soap...etc to get through college. :egriz:

 

[grizfnz]

There are other benefits as well, usually only at big boy football programs: better meals than normsl students, cushy summer internships at booster businesses, $100 handshakes, comped meals and drinks, use of automobiles, use of vacation homes, post graduate jobs at booster owned businesses because they need athletes to win coveted city rec league titles.

Smaller programs offering free laundry, post game tailgate hot dogs and some reduced or contingency fee based legal representation, for instance just can't compete for the best athletes. And now the big boys want to be able to throw cash at players......legally.

So what? Why would it remotely concern you if they paid some atheletes? I'm not talking hundred of thousands but what about a player who starts for his team gets 1000 a month. What exactly is the problem with that?

You're out of your mind if you think a athlete deserves 1000 a month. Don't forget to multiply that for every player in every sport. Who's going to foot the bill?

Uhh have you looked at how much schools like Alabama, Texas, LSU, Auburn, USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, etc. make off their football programs? You're saying 25 starters for those schools x 12,000 is out of the question? Because that's the amount that they pay schools like ours to come get curb stomped by them every year. And no I am not including f***[*] volleyball players and soccer players or basically any female sport. Obviously I am sticking to just football and basketball profit schools. And I can't believe you don't think players "don't deserve 1000 a month." I made more than that as a working student and players work way harder for their individual sport than most students do at their part time job.

Title IX, apparently you've not heard of it. Besides that, there are too many holes in your proposal.
1. Only starters get the full amount - good luck with that one in court.
2. Only revenue generating sports - see you in court unless you find a way to redefine "student-athlete"
3. What's your plan for the starter who has a season or career ending injury - he's no longer a starter and is counting on those Benjamins every month.
4. Taxes - who's paying them
5. How is it going to work for a school like USC, who on account of being private is not required to disclose details like coaching salaries or perhaps the "true cost of attendance" salary for their semi-pro, revenue creating male athlete starters which may exceed $ 1000
6. What keeps schools like Texas with the Longhorn Network or Notre Dame with NBC from paying more to players on account of their TV revenues?

 

[rimrockgriz]

So what? Why would it remotely concern you if they paid some atheletes? I'm not talking hundred of thousands but what about a player who starts for his team gets 1000 a month. What exactly is the problem with that?

You're out of your mind if you think a athlete deserves 1000 a month. Don't forget to multiply that for every player in every sport. Who's going to foot the bill?

Uhh have you looked at how much schools like Alabama, Texas, LSU, Auburn, USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, etc. make off their football programs? You're saying 25 starters for those schools x 12,000 is out of the question? Because that's the amount that they pay schools like ours to come get curb stomped by them every year. And no I am not including f***[*] volleyball players and soccer players or basically any female sport. Obviously I am sticking to just football and basketball profit schools. And I can't believe you don't think players "don't deserve 1000 a month." I made more than that as a working student and players work way harder for their individual sport than most students do at their part time job.

Title IX, apparently you've not heard of it. Besides that, there are too many holes in your proposal.
1. Only starters get the full amount - good luck with that one in court.
2. Only revenue generating sports - see you in court unless you find a way to redefine "student-athlete"
3. What's your plan for the starter who has a season or career ending injury - he's no longer a starter and is counting on those Benjamins every month.
4. Taxes - who's paying them
5. How is it going to work for a school like USC, who on account of being private is not required to disclose details like coaching salaries or perhaps the "true cost of attendance" salary for their semi-pro, revenue creating male athlete starters which may exceed $ 1000
6. What keeps schools like Texas with the Longhorn Network or Notre Dame with NBC from paying more to players on account of their TV revenues?

great post :thumb: :egriz:

 

[PlayerRep]

It's interesting all of you in favor of paying athletes to attend college use the word "should" ??? I "should" have free health care. I "should" be able to start at the top. I "should"...I "should"... I "should"... and there lies the problem. Should, means duty or obligation... and I'm obligated to tell some of you that you do not posses foresight. The N.C.A.A. pays out 96% of its revenue every year...Syracuse University paid all of its revenue to pay for Title IX... Jim Boeheim said recently that that they made "zero" after it was all said and done last year. So go ahead and get the lawyers involved...certainly after the athletes best interest...right :?: :roll: Then when that blows up get politicians involved... right :?: :roll: Even though ignorance is growing at a record pace, I'll keep persisting in stamping it out...one "dolt" at a time. I had a full scholarship "AFTER" Pell Grants just like the Orangemen...Yes, Boeheim makes his athletes use their Pell eligibility first BEFORE they get "schollie" monies. bottom line...start paying athletes and you'll diminish the number of institutions drastically... I came from a poor family and I managed to buy shampoo, and soap...etc to get through college. :egriz:

Did you graduate from college? Did you take any English or writing classes?

 

[Eriul]

So what? Why would it remotely concern you if they paid some atheletes? I'm not talking hundred of thousands but what about a player who starts for his team gets 1000 a month. What exactly is the problem with that?

You're out of your mind if you think a athlete deserves 1000 a month. Don't forget to multiply that for every player in every sport. Who's going to foot the bill?

Uhh have you looked at how much schools like Alabama, Texas, LSU, Auburn, USC, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, etc. make off their football programs? You're saying 25 starters for those schools x 12,000 is out of the question? Because that's the amount that they pay schools like ours to come get curb stomped by them every year. And no I am not including f***[*] volleyball players and soccer players or basically any female sport. Obviously I am sticking to just football and basketball profit schools. And I can't believe you don't think players "don't deserve 1000 a month." I made more than that as a working student and players work way harder for their individual sport than most students do at their part time job.

Title IX, apparently you've not heard of it. Besides that, there are too many holes in your proposal.
1. Only starters get the full amount - good luck with that one in court.
2. Only revenue generating sports - see you in court unless you find a way to redefine "student-athlete"
3. What's your plan for the starter who has a season or career ending injury - he's no longer a starter and is counting on those Benjamins every month.
4. Taxes - who's paying them
5. How is it going to work for a school like USC, who on account of being private is not required to disclose details like coaching salaries or perhaps the "true cost of attendance" salary for their semi-pro, revenue creating male athlete starters which may exceed $ 1000
6. What keeps schools like Texas with the Longhorn Network or Notre Dame with NBC from paying more to players on account of their TV revenues?

Obviously I'm not proposing an idea for court. I dunno if you know this but this is a fan forum for an fcs football program... I'm just stating how I think it should work. So now that I made that clear because apparently you just whiffed on that I will ignore points 1 and 2. Number 3 I'm not sure, good point. Number 4, obviously the students pay them... Not a hard concept to consider this as a job. Number 5 in my "idea" there is a limit to how much to pay a player, 1000 cash was just a figurative number schools even like sc would follow that and students would have to makeup differences. And number 6 is answered by 5

I mean in all honesty all your questions would have been answered before your post if you actually read mine.

 

[grizfnz]

Without an answer for the Title IX issue and items 1 and 2 your idea doesn't get off the ground. And as far as items 4 and 5, private institutions will inflate their "cost of attendance" numbers over the proposed $1000 limit.

Coach to recruit: "Billy you are a fine football player and an intelligent kid. USC can offer you $3000 a month where as [insert state school] is a public institution and therefore limited to $1000. As I said Billy, you're an intelligent kid and I'm sure you can see that $3000 is greater than $1000. Think of all the hookers and blow you can buy with the difference! "

 

[Eriul]

Without an answer for the Title IX issue and items 1 and 2 your idea doesn't get off the ground. And as far as items 4 and 5, private institutions will inflate their "cost of attendance" numbers over the proposed $1000 limit.

Coach to recruit: "Billy you are a fine football player and an intelligent kid. USC can offer you $3000 a month where as [insert state school] is a public institution and therefore limited to $1000. As I said Billy, you're an intelligent kid and I'm sure you can see that $3000 is greater than $1000. Think of all the hookers and blow you can buy with the difference! "

Are you fucking illiterate? Seriously? I will type it in caps and bold so you can get it in your head... focus intently...there will be a test later. THIS IS AN FCS PROGRAM FAN FORUM. I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT PROPOSING AN IDEA TO ACTUALLY GO ANYWHERE. I AM JUST SAYING HOW I THINK IT SHOULD WORK.

Now alright study that for a while. When you're done and feel you grasp the concept you can move onto the next section.

And again the dollar amount I proposed would be on top of scholarships etc. There would be a limit to it...AS I'VE SAID MULTIPLE TIMES. You can limit private schools just as easily as you can public. You think just because a private school is private they don't have to follow regulations? Man USC got screwed under your definition because apparently private schools can do whatever the fuck they want.

 

[grizfnz]

You stupid fvck, my opinion of your "idea of how you think it should work" is that it's a POS and won't fly because you don't understand the litigious society we live in today.
It also doesnt take a genius (which im certainly not accusing you of being) to figure out private schools and schools in high cost locations will have a higher "cost of attendence" for these poor, exploited students to overcome. Several schools addressed that very point in the initial student athlete compensation proposal floated last year. Perhaps you should do some reading, your "ideas" might benefit.

 

[Big G]

Both of you and your sandbox mentalities need to think before you hit submit. Rude behavior such as this will be called out and reported by me from now on.

 

[grizcountry420]

Both of you and your sandbox mentalities need to think before you hit submit. Rude behavior such as this will be called out and reported by me from now on.

Fvck that, Internet Nazi!!

 

[Eriul]

Both of you and your sandbox mentalities need to think before you hit submit. Rude behavior such as this will be called out and reported by me from now on.

Like anyone on this forum cares what you think/do

 

[Eriul]

You stupid fvck, my opinion of your "idea of how you think it should work" is that it's a POS and won't fly because you don't understand the litigious society we live in today.
It also doesnt take a genius (which im certainly not accusing you of being) to figure out private schools and schools in high cost locations will have a higher "cost of attendence" for these poor, exploited students to overcome. Several schools addressed that very point in the initial student athlete compensation proposal floated last year. Perhaps you should do some reading, your "ideas" might benefit.

You still can't read...

NO SHIT IT WON'T WORK IN TODAY'S SOCIETY BECAUSE IT'S RUN BY AN NCAA WHO HAS ALREADY STATED IT'S NOT HAPPENING. Jesus.... so dumb. I am fully aware of the cost of private school attendance. I actually went to college... the "compensation" I'm proposing AS I'VE STATED MULTIPLE TIMES would be ON TOP of scholarships. 1,000 a month doesn't even cover tuition/living at a public school. Doesn't take a genius to figure out these concepts I said 5 times already and you're certainly not a genius or competent.

As I've stated...5 times. My "idea" was one for how I think it SHOULD be. I don't care if it WOULD work and have no intention of taking this idea further than this low end forum that doesn't matter.. But apparently ANYTHING POSTED ON HERE HAS TO BE LEGALLY BINDING AND SERIOUS. I guess I need to go read some more law books so I can be qualified to post on egriz.

So so sosososoosososos stupid.

 

[Big G]

Both of you and your sandbox mentalities need to think before you hit submit. Rude behavior such as this will be called out and reported by me from now on.

Like anyone on this forum cares what you think/do

Well nobody cares about two losers calling names and ruining the board for everyone to read, have some class and take it to PM's so normal people don't need to read this junk or have it clutter up decent threads

 

[Eriul]

Both of you and your sandbox mentalities need to think before you hit submit. Rude behavior such as this will be called out and reported by me from now on.

Like anyone on this forum cares what you think/do

Well nobody cares about two losers calling names and ruining the board for everyone to read, have some class and take it to PM's so normal people don't need to read this junk or have it clutter up decent threads

you called us losers reporting you. "losers" "have some class"

 

[rimrockgriz]

It's interesting all of you in favor of paying athletes to attend college use the word "should" ??? I "should" have free health care. I "should" be able to start at the top. I "should"...I "should"... I "should"... and there lies the problem. Should, means duty or obligation... and I'm obligated to tell some of you that you do not posses foresight. The N.C.A.A. pays out 96% of its revenue every year...Syracuse University paid all of its revenue to pay for Title IX... Jim Boeheim said recently that that they made "zero" after it was all said and done last year. So go ahead and get the lawyers involved...certainly after the athletes best interest...right :?: :roll: Then when that blows up get politicians involved... right :?: :roll: Even though ignorance is growing at a record pace, I'll keep persisting in stamping it out...one "dolt" at a time. I had a full scholarship "AFTER" Pell Grants just like the Orangemen...Yes, Boeheim makes his athletes use their Pell eligibility first BEFORE they get "schollie" monies. bottom line...start paying athletes and you'll diminish the number of institutions drastically... I came from a poor family and I managed to buy shampoo, and soap...etc to get through college. :egriz:

Did you graduate from college? Did you take any English or writing classes?

Go sell another business... you certainly would starve to death in the jury trial format... :lol: :egriz:

 

[grizfnz]

As I've stated...5 times. My "idea" was one for how I think it SHOULD be is So so sosososoosososos stupid.

 

[Eriul]

As I've stated...5 times. My "idea" was one for how I think it SHOULD be is So so sosososoosososos stupid.

Can't admit you were wrong so you just edit my post. I expected more from the legal rep for every possible issue and the highest authority on everything

 

[Eriul]

It's interesting all of you in favor of paying athletes to attend college use the word "should" ??? I "should" have free health care. I "should" be able to start at the top. I "should"...I "should"... I "should"... and there lies the problem. Should, means duty or obligation... and I'm obligated to tell some of you that you do not posses foresight. The N.C.A.A. pays out 96% of its revenue every year...Syracuse University paid all of its revenue to pay for Title IX... Jim Boeheim said recently that that they made "zero" after it was all said and done last year. So go ahead and get the lawyers involved...certainly after the athletes best interest...right :?: :roll: Then when that blows up get politicians involved... right :?: :roll: Even though ignorance is growing at a record pace, I'll keep persisting in stamping it out...one "dolt" at a time. I had a full scholarship "AFTER" Pell Grants just like the Orangemen...Yes, Boeheim makes his athletes use their Pell eligibility first BEFORE they get "schollie" monies. bottom line...start paying athletes and you'll diminish the number of institutions drastically... I came from a poor family and I managed to buy shampoo, and soap...etc to get through college. :egriz:

Did you graduate from college? Did you take any English or writing classes?

Go sell another business... you certainly would starve to death in the jury trial format... :lol: :egriz:

I mean your post wouldn't be presented as any sort of court document due to your lack of skill in the English language... So yah he had a point

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Maybe you should have got a degree in finance instead of all the dozens of others degree you have?

:jack: