The arc of the throw!

[daGrizJ]

Ok, I'm going to devulge a little bit about myself. I was a QB in high school. I had a medium arm strength. To throw a really deep ball, I had to put everything I had into it and use a high arc to get it down field. My senior season I was replaced by a guy with a stronger arm. When I whined about it to a couple of my friends who were WRs they told me this; his ball, with with a lower arc and more speed, was easier to find, easier to judge how much they were being lead, didn't cause them to slow down, and, as such, was easier to catch.

I like the way Chalich plays. I think his running ability adds an important dimension to the offense and he should be utilized. But watching his deep throws reminded me of high school. It was obvious the WRs were having to slow down or otherwise adjust. The throw to JLM was great, but it was pretty much overthrown. Without his speed I don't think he would have gotten there to make an amazing acrobatic catch that he had to twist and track over his left shoulder. The other WRs, esp Curran, also made some outstanding toe tapping catches. Watch the NFL. The only time you will see a ball float, usually, is if it's a timing route into the corner of the endzone. Other wise they are rockets. There's a reason for that.

Yeah but we aren't in the NFL, so rocket arms are not required for our offense. What's more important with this offense is staying on the field (e.g. extending plays that might be broken) by continuing to get first downs and thus hurry up the offense, wear down the opponents defense (and also important keep their offense off the field), and try to prevent as many defensive subs from coming in as possible, and at the end of the game day have more Time of Possession, and ultimately points on the scoreboard than our opponent. If we hold onto the football (0 to very few turnovers) then this game plan CAN work.

Chalich showed last week against ISU that he can extend plays with his legs, and keep our offense on the field longer than BG has been able to in certain points of the season. Go back to any of the games we've lost this year and you'll see a pattern of short drives on offense like 3 and outs early in the game that set a bad tone for the rest of the game going forward. This is why I strongly support Chad Chalich for starting against Northern Colorado. He can extend plays more effectively than BG can in certain situations (e.g. our Oline failed to protect on a 3rd down passing down and Chad is able to run outside the pocket (avoid the rush) and make a play down the field with either his legs or his arm). I've noticed a lot of times when Brady Gus is faced with a similar situation like this he usually quickly goes to a short check down pass to say a RB for example, and on third and long this tactic many times creates a short/minimal gain and thus a 4th down and punting situation typically (depending on moment in game, how many yards to go, field position, score in the game etc. etc.).

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Yes, I agree Chalich does a better job of extending plays and I said so. The topic of the thread was a question about how the "arc of the throw" affects a pass. I was just tring to explain how I feel it impacts a pass/WR by what I had experienced. Nothing more.

 

[Grizzoola]

What pisses me off re: Brady, among other things, is that in the EWU game, esp., he overthrew on critical 4th downs that Stitt had rightly called. The O can't depend on a guy like that, and I'm surprised Stitt would even think to continue to do so.

My impression is that the coaches thought BG played well, or well enough, to win the EWU game, if the receivers had caught the balls like they did against ISU.

But, he overthrew on at least 3 4th downs! Ok, the kid is in NFL scouts' sights, fine. They see he has POTENTIAL, which is not being realized at UM. I don't fault our coaches. Still, NFL prospect has nothing to do at this point w/ winning a NC!

 

[BillingsMafia]

poorgriz makes a great point actually. After the ISU game, the reaction on Egriz was along the line of "Chalich just dropped in from outerspace" and the tone was seriously like no one, including the Griz coaches had ever seen him play before.

Chalich started for Idaho for 3/4 of a season. He started three games for the Griz last year. He's played in games this season. He's been in two springs and two fall camps in his time at UM. He's had tons of first-team reps in practice over the last two years, because Stitt always gives the backup ample reps. I promise he didn't play the ISU game and then the coaches said "man, we didn't know he could play like that". They have known what Chalich was capable of doing, and they have always had confidence in him should BG not be able to play. Having said all of that, there are also reasons the coaches have ALWAYS had BG as the CLEAR No. 1 the last two seasons.

So it really leaves two schools of thought for fans: 1. BG is the better QB, as has been shown by the depth chart over the last two seasons. or 2. Stitt AND Andrew Selle are morons over the last two years, have no clue how to coach football, and should be fired for not naming Chalich the starter back in August of 2015. I'm pretty sure I already know how the majority on Egriz votes. lol

Gotta say your #2 is my big fear. I have eyes. Chalich will start. They both cant be morons.

 

[PlayerRep]

What pisses me off re: Brady, among other things, is that in the EWU game, esp., he overthrew on critical 4th downs that Stitt had rightly called. The O can't depend on a guy like that, and I'm surprised Stitt would even think to continue to do so.

My impression is that the coaches thought BG played well, or well enough, to win the EWU game, if the receivers had caught the balls like they did against ISU.

But, he overthrew on at least 3 4th downs! Ok, the kid is in NFL scouts' sights, fine. They see he has POTENTIAL, which is not being realized at UM. I don't fault our coaches. Still, NFL prospect has nothing to do at this point w/ winning a NC!

UM threw only twice on 4th down, so I don't know how BG made 3 overthrows on 4th down. Don't know who was talking about the NFL; I wasn't.

 

[SaskGriz]

What pisses me off re: Brady, among other things, is that in the EWU game, esp., he overthrew on critical 4th downs that Stitt had rightly called. The O can't depend on a guy like that, and I'm surprised Stitt would even think to continue to do so.

My impression is that the coaches thought BG played well, or well enough, to win the EWU game, if the receivers had caught the balls like they did against ISU.

But, he overthrew on at least 3 4th downs! Ok, the kid is in NFL scouts' sights, fine. They see he has POTENTIAL, which is not being realized at UM. I don't fault our coaches. Still, NFL prospect has nothing to do at this point w/ winning a NC!

UM threw only twice on 4th down, so I don't know how BG made 3 overthrows on 4th down. Don't know who was talking about the NFL; I wasn't.

Actually they 3 times on 4th down, 2 were incomplete.

 

[SaskGriz]

My impression is that the coaches thought BG played well, or well enough, to win the EWU game, if the receivers had caught the balls like they did against ISU.

But, he overthrew on at least 3 4th downs! Ok, the kid is in NFL scouts' sights, fine. They see he has POTENTIAL, which is not being realized at UM. I don't fault our coaches. Still, NFL prospect has nothing to do at this point w/ winning a NC!

UM threw only twice on 4th down, so I don't know how BG made 3 overthrows on 4th down. Don't know who was talking about the NFL; I wasn't.

Actually they threw 3 times on 4th down, 2 were incomplete, but on one there was pass interference.