The arc of the throw!

[G-BEARS]

So it really leaves two schools of thought for fans: 1. BG is the better QB, as has been shown by the depth chart over the last two seasons. or 2. Stitt AND Andrew Selle are morons over the last two years, have no clue how to coach football, and should be fired for not naming Chalich the starter back in August of 2015. I'm pretty sure I already know how the majority on Egriz votes. lol

I find it very very strange that you conclude these are the only 2 schools of thought going around, it explains why you get so defensive regarding your favorite players though.

 

[SaskGriz]

When I read the thread title I thought this was about a follow up album to Steve Winwood's 1980 album; Arc of a Diver. Tell me that wasn't a great record.

Originally it was, but I went the stupid football direction! Awesome record dude...what's a record?

It's like a big CD, to explain what a CD is I will call you on a rotary dial pay phone later.

 

[Grizbeer]

When I read the thread title I thought this was about a follow up album to Steve Winwood's 1980 album; Arc of a Diver. Tell me that wasn't a great record.

That was a great record. Also Dio's Holy Diver was very good. Van Halen's Diver Down was pretty good as well.

 

[George Ferguson]

So it really leaves two schools of thought for fans: 1. BG is the better QB, as has been shown by the depth chart over the last two seasons. or 2. Stitt AND Andrew Selle are morons over the last two years, have no clue how to coach football, and should be fired for not naming Chalich the starter back in August of 2015. I'm pretty sure I already know how the majority on Egriz votes. lol

I find it very very strange that you conclude these are the only 2 schools of thought going around, it explains why you get so defensive regarding your favorite players though.

I have no favorite players. THEY ARE ALL Montana Grizzlies.

 

[mikegriz]

Can't find any highlights yet of Chad's game throws, but here's some of Brady's in the Eastern game last year.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDwrwtW9KYo[/youtube]

Damn, I miss Tyrone Holmes!

 

[mtgrizrule]

Here is some of what I posted in the thread about Chalich being the kind of qb this offense is made for. Take for what you will. I definitely feel, the difference in the offense was and will continue to be, the ability for our QB's to give WR's the opportunity to make plays. Here it is.

As for Chalich's performance, I feel he did one critical thing Stitt has been wanting GRIZ QB's do more often. That is to trust your WR's to make plays, more often. Chalich did that a lot against ISU. Brady plays more guarded, it seems. Chalich and his WRs looked a lot like what EWU has done the last several years with their QB's and WR's. Then again, Brady throws hard darts for the most part, regardless of distance or personnel. Chalich throws somewhat good coverage plays with more loft and touch than Gustafson. That kind of pass gives WR's better chances to win jump balls and use their skills more. Not many DB's are going to win jump ball lob like passes in single coverage, sometimes double coverage against a somewhat tall athletic, strong WR.

It was encouraging that those kind of passes were thrown to the bigger WR's, verses trying those kind of passes to JLM. Yes, when and who a QB throws those kind of passes to do make a huge difference. If the offense can continue to better utilize our WR's and their various skill sets, this offense will be hard to stop, regardless of who QB is.

 

[granitegriz]

Great points mtgrizrule. Chalich was looking at the whole field against ISU. BG has been focusing on one receiver a lot and throwing picks as a result.

 

[Brock Landers]

poorgriz makes a great point actually. After the ISU game, the reaction on Egriz was along the line of "Chalich just dropped in from outerspace" and the tone was seriously like no one, including the Griz coaches had ever seen him play before.

Chalich started for Idaho for 3/4 of a season. He started three games for the Griz last year. He's played in games this season. He's been in two springs and two fall camps in his time at UM. He's had tons of first-team reps in practice over the last two years, because Stitt always gives the backup ample reps. I promise he didn't play the ISU game and then the coaches said "man, we didn't know he could play like that". They have known what Chalich was capable of doing, and they have always had confidence in him should BG not be able to play. Having said all of that, there are also reasons the coaches have ALWAYS had BG as the CLEAR No. 1 the last two seasons.

So it really leaves two schools of thought for fans: 1. BG is the better QB, as has been shown by the depth chart over the last two seasons. or 2. Stitt AND Andrew Selle are morons over the last two years, have no clue how to coach football, and should be fired for not naming Chalich the starter back in August of 2015. I'm pretty sure I already know how the majority on Egriz votes. lol

Ding ding ding

I always a get a huge laugh when I see all the armchair coaches questioning the depth chart. Coaches put the players on the field that give them the best chance for a win. End of story.




...aside from Choate and Bruggman. That defies logic.

 

[UMGriz75]

I always a get a huge laugh when I see all the armchair coaches questioning the depth chart. Coaches put the players on the field that they think will give them the best chance for a win. End of story.

FIFY.

I have yet to meet a coach that meets the standard of omniscience, not that aren't a few that believe they are.

 

[rocklobster]

When I read the thread title I thought this was about a follow up album to Steve Winwood's 1980 album; Arc of a Diver. Tell me that wasn't a great record.

Originally it was, but I went the stupid football direction! Awesome record dude...what's a record?

It's like a big CD, to explain what a CD is I will call you on a rotary dial pay phone later.

Like an 8-track tape?

 

[wbtfg]

I feel like this thread should have been started by Uncle Rico.

 

[JayLarson]

Chalich throws passes that allow the receivers to make plays, and still be able to run after catch even on deep passes. So the original post is exactly right! In the past 2 seasons we have had a 7 TD and a 6 TD performance by back up QBs starting games, Gustafson has had 4 a couple times maybe (need to check). Brady leaves points on the field by not being accurate on deep passes, either overthrowing it all together, or making the receiver have to adjust to catch it. I would like to see Chad start the rest of the year, Brady can be the backup!

 

[CrunchGriz]

Not to take anything away from CC's accomplishment, but comparing his and Makena Simis' great days in a straight-line way with Brady's accomplishments is crazy. Level of competition has everything to do with this. North Dakota had a pretty good overall defense last year, but they had a terrible secondary (ask their fans on this one if you don't believe me). And Idaho State has a terrible defense this year.

Brady has never thrown for 7 touchdowns in a game, but tell me with a straight face that he couldn't have accomplished this against Sac State or Mississippi Valley State this year if the Griz hadn't been throttling them, putting Brady on the bench very early in the third quarter. In both of the record-tying and then setting games mentioned above, the defense allowed the opponents to stay close enough that the starter had to stay in for all (or virtually all) of the game, giving Simis and Chalich the opportunity to run up their stats.

Not that I'm comparing Brady to DD, but imagine how many 7-TD games DD would have had had the Griz not been shellacking their opponents early in the second half of games, putting DD on the bench. It's not that Chalich and Simis are singular talents; it's that they are good players in a system that can generate a ton of points against bad defenses if the starters are required to stay in the whole game because the defense isn't playing up to the offense.

 

[Grisly Fan]

To me Chalich's performance was remarkable full stop. I do see any reason to rationalize it. There are a million coulda, shoulda, woulda's but there is only what is that matters. His seven touchdowns are not the reason I think he should start. Its the way he got several of them and that is by effectively scrambling and buying time. Just like BG he didn't have a lot of time in the pocket and instead of having to throw it away, he extended plays and had enough talent to make good things happen. I don't believe BG would have been able to do the same and anyone who disagrees can give a single counter example because I can't think of one.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

poorgriz makes a great point actually. After the ISU game, the reaction on Egriz was along the line of "Chalich just dropped in from outerspace" and the tone was seriously like no one, including the Griz coaches had ever seen him play before.

Chalich started for Idaho for 3/4 of a season. He started three games for the Griz last year. He's played in games this season. He's been in two springs and two fall camps in his time at UM. He's had tons of first-team reps in practice over the last two years, because Stitt always gives the backup ample reps. I promise he didn't play the ISU game and then the coaches said "man, we didn't know he could play like that". They have known what Chalich was capable of doing, and they have always had confidence in him should BG not be able to play. Having said all of that, there are also reasons the coaches have ALWAYS had BG as the CLEAR No. 1 the last two seasons.

So it really leaves two schools of thought for fans: 1. BG is the better QB, as has been shown by the depth chart over the last two seasons. or 2. Stitt AND Andrew Selle are morons over the last two years, have no clue how to coach football, and should be fired for not naming Chalich the starter back in August of 2015. I'm pretty sure I already know how the majority on Egriz votes. lol

Ding ding ding

I always a get a huge laugh when I see all the armchair coaches questioning the depth chart. Coaches put the players on the field that give them the best chance for a win. End of story.




...aside from Choate and Bruggman. That defies logic.

Don Read and staff thought that about the guy DD backed up in 1993 until he put DD in against SDSU.

 

[Brock Landers]

I always a get a huge laugh when I see all the armchair coaches questioning the depth chart. Coaches put the players on the field that they think will give them the best chance for a win. End of story.

FIFY.

I have yet to meet a coach that meets the standard of omniscience, not that aren't a few that believe they are.

And the fans are even further from omniscience, despite what some of the egos on this board think


Maybe eGriz should set-up a poll each week for the starter, and then post it to Stitt's twitter. Nevermind that it's his system, and he's the one coaching these guys up, and watching and re-watching tape 1000 times a week. No, eGriz knows best. After all, sometimes in the history of football the young guy was ready for his opportunity.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

When I read the thread title I thought this was about a follow up album to Steve Winwood's 1980 album; Arc of a Diver. Tell me that wasn't a great record.

Winwood's brilliance started to flame out after releasing "Low Spark of High-Heeled Boys"

Judy Garland was a fan for life but Traffic still petered out. With Arc of a Diver, wide ranging commercialism was the goal of the producers. By 1992, it was so bad I just had to say no, Valarie, don't call on me.

 

[timjayko]

Ok, I'm going to devulge a little bit about myself. I was a QB in high school. I had a medium arm strength. To throw a really deep ball, I had to put everything I had into it and use a high arc to get it down field. My senior season I was replaced by a guy with a stronger arm. When I whined about it to a couple of my friends who were WRs they told me this; his ball, with with a lower arc and more speed, was easier to find, easier to judge how much they were being lead, didn't cause them to slow down, and, as such, was easier to catch.

I like the way Chalich plays. I think his running ability adds an important dimension to the offense and he should be utilized. But watching his deep throws reminded me of high school. It was obvious the WRs were having to slow down or otherwise adjust. The throw to JLM was great, but it was pretty much overthrown. Without his speed I don't think he would have gotten there to make an amazing acrobatic catch that he had to twist and track over his left shoulder. The other WRs, esp Curran, also made some outstanding toe tapping catches. Watch the NFL. The only time you will see a ball float, usually, is if it's a timing route into the corner of the endzone. Other wise they are rockets. There's a reason for that.

Yeah but we aren't in the NFL, so rocket arms are not required for our offense. What's more important with this offense is staying on the field (e.g. extending plays that might be broken) by continuing to get first downs and thus hurry up the offense, wear down the opponents defense (and also important keep their offense off the field), and try to prevent as many defensive subs from coming in as possible, and at the end of the game day have more Time of Possession, and ultimately points on the scoreboard than our opponent. If we hold onto the football (0 to very few turnovers) then this game plan CAN work.

Chalich showed last week against ISU that he can extend plays with his legs, and keep our offense on the field longer than BG has been able to in certain points of the season. Go back to any of the games we've lost this year and you'll see a pattern of short drives on offense like 3 and outs early in the game that set a bad tone for the rest of the game going forward. This is why I strongly support Chad Chalich for starting against Northern Colorado. He can extend plays more effectively than BG can in certain situations (e.g. our Oline failed to protect on a 3rd down passing down and Chad is able to run outside the pocket (avoid the rush) and make a play down the field with either his legs or his arm). I've noticed a lot of times when Brady Gus is faced with a similar situation like this he usually quickly goes to a short check down pass to say a RB for example, and on third and long this tactic many times creates a short/minimal gain and thus a 4th down and punting situation typically (depending on moment in game, how many yards to go, field position, score in the game etc. etc.).

I'm an Egriz fan and I support this message.

 

[Grizzoola]

What pisses me off re: Brady, among other things, is that in the EWU game, esp., he overthrew on critical 4th downs that Stitt had rightly called. The O can't depend on a guy like that, and I'm surprised Stitt would even think to continue to do so.

 

[PlayerRep]

What pisses me off re: Brady, among other things, is that in the EWU game, esp., he overthrew on critical 4th downs that Stitt had rightly called. The O can't depend on a guy like that, and I'm surprised Stitt would even think to continue to do so.

My impression is that the coaches thought BG played well, or well enough, to win the EWU game, if the receivers had caught the balls like they did against ISU.