Termination

[uptopgriz]

Its an interesting debate. I'm not sure when the last time the Griz finished in 6th place in the Big Sky. Did they finish that low or lower with Stitt? If the argument is that the rest of the Big Sky conference is better now ie Idaho, Sac State, and even to some degree MSU then I think you're agreeing with people who say hiring the right person makes all the difference, and as result of who they hired, they have improved markedly more than U of M during the same timeframe. My two-cents.

I don't measure teams, coaches, success by one season. I measure over multiple seasons. Which conference team has won more playoff games in recent years, than MSU and UM?

All of UM's losses were to good playoff teams and Ida.

Would you rather win the conference like SS and lose all but one playoff game in those 3 years? Be seeded 2 and 4 and lose first playoff game at home?

Yes, coaches matter. Bobby and his coaches are better than the others, in my view.

Again, an interesting debate. Montana has essentially been in a play-in game every year. MSU and Sac haven't because they have dominate during the regular season. Losing in the quarter-finals is still losing in the quarter-finals. I'm not sure what counts as recent years but I'm guessing Weber, MSU, and EWU have all won more playoff games during the past 6 or 7 years. Two of those teams played for the national title during that timeframe. By your standard would you say that MSU and EWU have had far success than U of M?

 

[sdk.catfish]

mthoopsfan


sdk.catfish wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:26 am
Seems to me there is a lot of whacking off limbs here but no diagnosing the real disease. No matter who the asst. coaches are the head coach should be held accountable and year 6 (5 actual playing) should be the time that accoutability is enforced. That is twice what Stitt got with only marginally greater success for Hauck version 2.0. And I'm fricking tired of hearing about injured QB's as an excuse for the 300th time - See San Francisco/Shanahan/Lance/JimmyG/Purdy. Good coaches prepare for the unexpected.
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I am fricking tired of reading your nonsense.

Well I didn't call out any particular poster but apparently you recognize the shoe and it fits quite well there Cinderella

 

[mthoopsfan]

I don't measure teams, coaches, success by one season. I measure over multiple seasons. Which conference team has won more playoff games in recent years, than MSU and UM?

All of UM's losses were to good playoff teams and Ida.

Would you rather win the conference like SS and lose all but one playoff game in those 3 years? Be seeded 2 and 4 and lose first playoff game at home?

Yes, coaches matter. Bobby and his coaches are better than the others, in my view.

Again, an interesting debate. Montana has essentially been in a play-in game every year. MSU and Sac haven't because they have dominate during the regular season. Losing in the quarter-finals is still losing in the quarter-finals. I'm not sure what counts as recent years but I'm guessing Weber, MSU, and EWU have all won more playoff games during the past 6 or 7 years. Two of those teams played for the national title during that timeframe. By your standard would you say that MSU and EWU have had far success than U of M?

I am asking about the last 3 years, when Hauck got rolling.

 

[UncleRico]

And the two worst program losses to MSU. And finishing 6th in the conference this year. I don’t consider that being “back”

Then I guess you don't care about the playoffs and playoff wins. I do. You're the guy muttering after close exciting wins. "We should have won by more. We need a new coach." You would have have time being Viking fan this year.

I think a lot of this talk reminds me of Nebraska when they fired Bo Pelini. 67-27 overall and won 9 games every year. But lack of patience and unreal expectations led to him being canned. All were living in the past Nebraska glory. Look at Nebraska now. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[mthoopsfan]

RainierGriz wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:29 am


23’ season will be the 5th season played under Hauck’s second stint. So your saying give him one more year to show that he can get this back in the right direction? I think that’s a reasonable statement.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. And I previously, on another thread, I laid out the performance measures I would expect him to meet which are:
1. Win or tie for the conf. championship. In any given year there are about 5 good teams in the Big Sky but while some come and go the Griz are always in that group (regardless of our 6th place finish this year). We should be able to win or tie once every 5 years. Pretty low bar. Haslem said UM hired Hauck to win championships. One would be a start.
2. Beat the Cats. I don't know how it would be possible to support Hauck if he goes 1-4 but I suppose there there is at least one........... Amazing to me there are some that support a man above a program.
3. If #1 is accomplished we get a seed. Winning 2 in the playoffs would get us to the semi-finals. I think that is reasonable but I could live with the quarter-finals I suppose. Same as with the conference there are only about 8 teams in the FCS in any given year that actually are solid teams and that would be generous this year. Seems like we should be one of those 8 every year as long as we are going to continue down the FCS road.

Nobody would listen to you.

 

[uptopgriz]

Again, an interesting debate. Montana has essentially been in a play-in game every year. MSU and Sac haven't because they have dominate during the regular season. Losing in the quarter-finals is still losing in the quarter-finals. I'm not sure what counts as recent years but I'm guessing Weber, MSU, and EWU have all won more playoff games during the past 6 or 7 years. Two of those teams played for the national title during that timeframe. By your standard would you say that MSU and EWU have had far success than U of M?

I am asking about the last 3 years, when Hauck got rolling.

Well, he's been the coach for 5-years. So are you saying that Idaho and MSU are destined to meet each other for the national title in two-years?

 

[Boscoe]

Success means both playoff wins AND conference championships (or at the very least, being in contention of conference championship). Anything short of that is failure.

Were to back-to-back 10 win seasons a failure?

Never finishing better than tied for third in the Big Sky Conference, kinda.

 

[Griz til I die]

Haven't you figured this out yet when we say that's not good enough? There's no excuse for why this team shouldn't be a semifinal team and in the natty conversation every year or every other year. I'm not anti-Hauck and I'm not calling for his job because down years happen, it's just a part of Football, but if he has this same result again next year, we really need to look at the future and examine the best way forward. Especially if Hauck refuses to make changes to the coaching staff which is kind of the way it's starting to look!

One healthy qb away from semis this year.

Not good enough is a different argument I haven't been having.

Do you agree the Griz are much improved inlets 3 years?

We were improving until we took a step back this year. Yes we had a tough schedule and yes our QB got hurt, but they've failed to develop Kris Brown as a backup QB and took way too long to recognize Britt was the more reliable option at backup that it cost us 2 games, and may have even factored into Britt's decision to leave. These are things they need to address this offseason, along with offensive play calling and if they don't do it, it's gonna continue to hold them back.

 

[uofmman1122]

Were to back-to-back 10 win seasons a failure?

Never finishing better than tied for third in the Big Sky Conference, kinda.

I still come back to conference placement doesn't really matter when the top teams don't play each other. We would've gone 6-2 in conference if we had MSU's conference schedule, and 7-1 at worst with Sac's last year. Our two conference champs this year didn't have to play each other, so one of them doesn't necessarily deserve it.

The difference between 2nd and 5th for teams every year is often just a matter of who you're playing.

 

[UncleRico]

I don't measure teams, coaches, success by one season. I measure over multiple seasons. Which conference team has won more playoff games in recent years, than MSU and UM?

All of UM's losses were to good playoff teams and Ida.

Would you rather win the conference like SS and lose all but one playoff game in those 3 years? Be seeded 2 and 4 and lose first playoff game at home?

Yes, coaches matter. Bobby and his coaches are better than the others, in my view.

Again, an interesting debate. Montana has essentially been in a play-in game every year. MSU and Sac haven't because they have dominate during the regular season. Losing in the quarter-finals is still losing in the quarter-finals. I'm not sure what counts as recent years but I'm guessing Weber, MSU, and EWU have all won more playoff games during the past 6 or 7 years. Two of those teams played for the national title during that timeframe. By your standard would you say that MSU and EWU have had far success than U of M?

Griz were a seated team last year and received a bye.

 

[mthoopsfan]

One healthy qb away from semis this year.

Not good enough is a different argument I haven't been having.

Do you agree the Griz are much improved inlets 3 years?

We were improving until we took a step back this year. Yes we had a tough schedule and yes our QB got hurt, but they've failed to develop Kris Brown as a backup QB and took way too long to recognize Britt was the more reliable option at backup that it cost us 2 games, and may have even factored into Britt's decision to leave. These are things they need to address this offseason, along with offensive play calling and if they don't do it, it's gonna continue to hold them back.

Britt didn't show much. Recognize what?

 

[GrizMania]

We were improving until we took a step back this year. Yes we had a tough schedule and yes our QB got hurt, but they've failed to develop Kris Brown as a backup QB and took way too long to recognize Britt was the more reliable option at backup that it cost us 2 games, and may have even factored into Britt's decision to leave. These are things they need to address this offseason, along with offensive play calling and if they don't do it, it's gonna continue to hold them back.

Britt didn't show much. Recognize what?

Then you weren't watching. Some Griz wrs I know told me they thought he was very good and were looking forward to him as qb next season. Prior to his entering the portal.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Again, an interesting debate. Montana has essentially been in a play-in game every year. MSU and Sac haven't because they have dominate during the regular season. Losing in the quarter-finals is still losing in the quarter-finals. I'm not sure what counts as recent years but I'm guessing Weber, MSU, and EWU have all won more playoff games during the past 6 or 7 years. Two of those teams played for the national title during that timeframe. By your standard would you say that MSU and EWU have had far success than U of M?

Griz were a seated team last year and received a bye.

That's not a play in game? Demanding Griz fans consider that a play-in game. When are we going to get to the semis? Except last year.






















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[mthoopsfan]

Britt didn't show much. Recognize what?

Then you weren't watching. Some Griz wrs I know told me they thought he was very good and were looking forward to him as qb next season. Prior to his entering the portal.

His performance and 2 picks against NDSU, when we were down 1, took us out of the game. He had no shot at being the starter next season.

 

[ordigger]

I don't measure teams, coaches, success by one season. I measure over multiple seasons. Which conference team has won more playoff games in recent years, than MSU and UM?

All of UM's losses were to good playoff teams and Ida.

Would you rather win the conference like SS and lose all but one playoff game in those 3 years? Be seeded 2 and 4 and lose first playoff game at home?

Yes, coaches matter. Bobby and his coaches are better than the others, in my view.

Again, an interesting debate. Montana has essentially been in a play-in game every year. MSU and Sac haven't because they have dominate during the regular season. Losing in the quarter-finals is still losing in the quarter-finals. I'm not sure what counts as recent years but I'm guessing Weber, MSU, and EWU have all won more playoff games during the past 6 or 7 years. Two of those teams played for the national title during that timeframe. By your standard would you say that MSU and EWU have had far success than U of M?

EWU is not really the best team to use in your argument. Lol

 

[ordigger]

Were to back-to-back 10 win seasons a failure?

Never finishing better than tied for third in the Big Sky Conference, kinda.

Wait until we go bowling with a 6-5 record and win the bowl game. Many teams, us included would consider that very successful.

In fact 10 wins is very successful for most people. Only on eGriz is it not.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Never finishing better than tied for third in the Big Sky Conference, kinda.

I still come back to conference placement doesn't really matter when the top teams don't play each other. We would've gone 6-2 in conference if we had MSU's conference schedule, and 7-1 at worst with Sac's last year. Our two conference champs this year didn't have to play each other, so one of them doesn't necessarily deserve it.

The difference between 2nd and 5th for teams every year is often just a matter of who you're playing.

Good grief dude - it's one of the team's goals. Of course it matters.

I don't like the imbalance either, but to suggest it doesn't matter is flat-out wrong.

BTW - Griz have also benefitted from the imbalance, and they will again in the future.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Never finishing better than tied for third in the Big Sky Conference, kinda.

Wait until we go bowling with a 6-5 record and win the bowl game. Many teams, us included would consider that very successful.

In fact 10 wins is very successful for most people. Only on eGriz is it not.

Because FCS has a legit playoff, and getting thru that bracket is the only thing that matters...it's not that hard to understand. If 10 wins was important - Griz would have it as a team goal. They don't.

 

[uptopgriz]

Again, an interesting debate. Montana has essentially been in a play-in game every year. MSU and Sac haven't because they have dominate during the regular season. Losing in the quarter-finals is still losing in the quarter-finals. I'm not sure what counts as recent years but I'm guessing Weber, MSU, and EWU have all won more playoff games during the past 6 or 7 years. Two of those teams played for the national title during that timeframe. By your standard would you say that MSU and EWU have had far success than U of M?

EWU is not really the best team to use in your argument. Lol

SInce 2010, they have been in the semifinals 5 times, played for two national titles, and won a national title.

 

[uptopgriz]

Griz were a seated team last year and received a bye.

That's not a play in game? Demanding Griz fans consider that a play-in game. When are we going to get to the semis? Except last year.



So you're saying they took a major step back this year then?


















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