Termination

[RainierGriz]

Can we have msu’s o-line coach? Haha…

 

[rgrizfan]

I see Alabama's O Line coach makes $900,000/year. If we would pay our line coaches this kind of money...I bet we could get better coaches!

 

[sdk.catfish]

Seems to me there is a lot of whacking off limbs here but no diagnosing the real disease. No matter who the asst. coaches are the head coach should be held accountable and year 6 (5 actual playing) should be the time that accoutability is enforced. That is twice what Stitt got with only marginally greater success for Hauck version 2.0. And I'm fricking tired of hearing about injured QB's as an excuse for the 300th time - See San Francisco/Shanahan/Lance/JimmyG/Purdy. Good coaches prepare for the unexpected.

 

[RainierGriz]

Seems to me there is a lot of whacking off limbs here but no diagnosing the real disease. No matter who the asst. coaches are the head coach should be held accountable and year 6 (5 actual playing) should be the time that accoutability is enforced. That is twice what Stitt got with only marginally greater success for Hauck version 2.0. And I'm fricking tired of hearing about injured QB's as an excuse for the 300th time - See San Francisco/Shanahan/Lance/JimmyG/Purdy. Good coaches prepare for the unexpected.

23’ season will be the 5th season played under Hauck’s second stint. So your saying give him one more year to show that he can get this back in the right direction? I think that’s a reasonable statement.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Seems to me there is a lot of whacking off limbs here but no diagnosing the real disease. No matter who the asst. coaches are the head coach should be held accountable and year 6 (5 actual playing) should be the time that accoutability is enforced. That is twice what Stitt got with only marginally greater success for Hauck version 2.0. And I'm fricking tired of hearing about injured QB's as an excuse for the 300th time - See San Francisco/Shanahan/Lance/JimmyG/Purdy. Good coaches prepare for the unexpected.

23’ season will be the 5th season played under Hauck’s second stint. So your saying give him one more year to show that he can get this back in the right direction? I think that’s a reasonable statement.

Hauck has already gotten UM back, and getting into playoffs and winning playoff games. 3 years in row.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Seems to me there is a lot of whacking off limbs here but no diagnosing the real disease. No matter who the asst. coaches are the head coach should be held accountable and year 6 (5 actual playing) should be the time that accoutability is enforced. That is twice what Stitt got with only marginally greater success for Hauck version 2.0. And I'm fricking tired of hearing about injured QB's as an excuse for the 300th time - See San Francisco/Shanahan/Lance/JimmyG/Purdy. Good coaches prepare for the unexpected.

I am fricking tired of reading your nonsense.

NFL is much different from college. NFL teams can get new teams during the season. SF didn’t plan to get Jimmy G.

 

[grizfnz]

Why rosey still in town?

Good question. “Get outta LA trick ass”

 

[Boscoe]

23’ season will be the 5th season played under Hauck’s second stint. So your saying give him one more year to show that he can get this back in the right direction? I think that’s a reasonable statement.

Hauck has already gotten UM back, and getting into playoffs and winning playoff games. 3 years in row.

We’re not “back”. Squeaking into the playoffs and beating a couple doormat teams is not back. I think you’re in a small minority of fans that are satisfied with where we’re at right now

 

[Griz til I die]

23’ season will be the 5th season played under Hauck’s second stint. So your saying give him one more year to show that he can get this back in the right direction? I think that’s a reasonable statement.

Hauck has already gotten UM back, and getting into playoffs and winning playoff games. 3 years in row.

Haven't you figured this out yet when we say that's not good enough? There's no excuse for why this team shouldn't be a semifinal team and in the natty conversation every year or every other year. I'm not anti-Hauck and I'm not calling for his job because down years happen, it's just a part of Football, but if he has this same result again next year, we really need to look at the future and examine the best way forward. Especially if Hauck refuses to make changes to the coaching staff which is kind of the way it's starting to look!

 

[mthoopsfan]

Hauck has already gotten UM back, and getting into playoffs and winning playoff games. 3 years in row.

Haven't you figured this out yet when we say that's not good enough? There's no excuse for why this team shouldn't be a semifinal team and in the natty conversation every year or every other year. I'm not anti-Hauck and I'm not calling for his job because down years happen, it's just a part of Football, but if he has this same result again next year, we really need to look at the future and examine the best way forward. Especially if Hauck refuses to make changes to the coaching staff which is kind of the way it's starting to look!

One healthy qb away from semis this year.

Not good enough is a different argument I haven't been having.

Do you agree the Griz are much improved inlets 3 years?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Hauck has already gotten UM back, and getting into playoffs and winning playoff games. 3 years in row.

We’re not “back”. Squeaking into the playoffs and beating a couple doormat teams is not back. I think you’re in a small minority of fans that are satisfied with where we’re at right now

UM beat a very good team in the playoffs. UM certainly is back, from the Stitt days. Two top 8 rankings are way better than not even being top 30. Where have I said I was said where we are?

 

[uptopgriz]

Haven't you figured this out yet when we say that's not good enough? There's no excuse for why this team shouldn't be a semifinal team and in the natty conversation every year or every other year. I'm not anti-Hauck and I'm not calling for his job because down years happen, it's just a part of Football, but if he has this same result again next year, we really need to look at the future and examine the best way forward. Especially if Hauck refuses to make changes to the coaching staff which is kind of the way it's starting to look!

One healthy qb away from semis this year.

Not good enough is a different argument I haven't been having.

Do you agree the Griz are much improved inlets 3 years?

Its an interesting debate. I'm not sure when the last time the Griz finished in 6th place in the Big Sky. Did they finish that low or lower with Stitt? If the argument is that the rest of the Big Sky conference is better now ie Idaho, Sac State, and even to some degree MSU then I think you're agreeing with people who say hiring the right person makes all the difference, and as result of who they hired, they have improved markedly more than U of M during the same timeframe. My two-cents.

 

[BozAngelesGriz]

23’ season will be the 5th season played under Hauck’s second stint. So your saying give him one more year to show that he can get this back in the right direction? I think that’s a reasonable statement.

Hauck has already gotten UM back, and getting into playoffs and winning playoff games. 3 years in row.

And the two worst program losses to MSU. And finishing 6th in the conference this year. I don’t consider that being “back”

 

[uofmman1122]

One healthy qb away from semis this year.

Not good enough is a different argument I haven't been having.

Do you agree the Griz are much improved inlets 3 years?

Its an interesting debate. I'm not sure when the last time the Griz finished in 6th place in the Big Sky. Did they finish that low or lower with Stitt? If the argument is that the rest of the Big Sky conference is better now ie Idaho, Sac State, and even to some degree MSU then I think you're agreeing with people who say hiring the right person makes all the difference, and as result of who they hired, they have improved markedly more than U of M during the same timeframe. My two-cents.

We finished 8th in 2016, and lost to several teams that were not good. The parallels between the 2017 team and this year's are closer, but our schedule was a bit tougher this year. IIRC, we were one of the first teams out in 2017, and were pretty lucky to get in this year, so a few things bounce the other way, and 2017's team could've made the playoffs while this one didn't.

Regarding Sac and Idaho, I think they're both outliers in that they always had better talent than most of the rest of the Big Sky, they just had awful coaching. A more realistic look at a great coach turning around a bad team is what Jay Hill and Choach did at their respective schools. Weber was bad for Hill's first 2 years, mediocre for his 3rd, and then finally broke out in 2017. We definitely started from a higher floor than those two teams, but I don't think our talent was superior to what Sac and UI had when Taylor and Eck took over.

 

[mthoopsfan]

One healthy qb away from semis this year.

Not good enough is a different argument I haven't been having.

Do you agree the Griz are much improved inlets 3 years?

Its an interesting debate. I'm not sure when the last time the Griz finished in 6th place in the Big Sky. Did they finish that low or lower with Stitt? If the argument is that the rest of the Big Sky conference is better now ie Idaho, Sac State, and even to some degree MSU then I think you're agreeing with people who say hiring the right person makes all the difference, and as result of who they hired, they have improved markedly more than U of M during the same timeframe. My two-cents.

I don't measure teams, coaches, success by one season. I measure over multiple seasons. Which conference team has won more playoff games in recent years, than MSU and UM?

All of UM's losses were to good playoff teams and Ida.

Would you rather win the conference like SS and lose all but one playoff game in those 3 years? Be seeded 2 and 4 and lose first playoff game at home?

Yes, coaches matter. Bobby and his coaches are better than the others, in my view.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Hauck has already gotten UM back, and getting into playoffs and winning playoff games. 3 years in row.

And the two worst program losses to MSU. And finishing 6th in the conference this year. I don’t consider that being “back”

Then I guess you don't care about the playoffs and playoff wins. I do. You're the guy muttering after close exciting wins. "We should have won by more. We need a new coach." You would have have time being Viking fan this year.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Hauck has already gotten UM back, and getting into playoffs and winning playoff games. 3 years in row.

And the two worst program losses to MSU. And finishing 6th in the conference this year. I don’t consider that being “back”

I guess that depends to which "back" is the comparison.

 

[Boscoe]

And the two worst program losses to MSU. And finishing 6th in the conference this year. I don’t consider that being “back”

Then I guess you don't care about the playoffs and playoff wins. I do. You're the guy muttering after close exciting wins. "We should have won by more. We need a new coach." You would have have time being Viking fan this year.

Success means both playoff wins AND conference championships (or at the very least, being in contention of conference championship). Anything short of that is failure.

 

[sdk.catfish]

RainierGriz wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:29 am


23’ season will be the 5th season played under Hauck’s second stint. So your saying give him one more year to show that he can get this back in the right direction? I think that’s a reasonable statement.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. And I previously, on another thread, I laid out the performance measures I would expect him to meet which are:
1. Win or tie for the conf. championship. In any given year there are about 5 good teams in the Big Sky but while some come and go the Griz are always in that group (regardless of our 6th place finish this year). We should be able to win or tie once every 5 years. Pretty low bar. Haslem said UM hired Hauck to win championships. One would be a start.
2. Beat the Cats. I don't know how it would be possible to support Hauck if he goes 1-4 but I suppose there there is at least one........... Amazing to me there are some that support a man above a program.
3. If #1 is accomplished we get a seed. Winning 2 in the playoffs would get us to the semi-finals. I think that is reasonable but I could live with the quarter-finals I suppose. Same as with the conference there are only about 8 teams in the FCS in any given year that actually are solid teams and that would be generous this year. Seems like we should be one of those 8 every year as long as we are going to continue down the FCS road.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Then I guess you don't care about the playoffs and playoff wins. I do. You're the guy muttering after close exciting wins. "We should have won by more. We need a new coach." You would have have time being Viking fan this year.

Success means both playoff wins AND conference championships (or at the very least, being in contention of conference championship). Anything short of that is failure.

Were to back-to-back 10 win seasons a failure?